WoT Mafia, GAME OVER

[petroleumjelly]

If she is telling the truth Broomhead (which I sincerely doubt), then although it may be true she "has no choice" of targets, I do not think the targets she cited today add up, as I do not believe a vigilante would have targeted Mr. Flay last night.

Vote Mariyta for great justice!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Mariyta

Yea I've been gone a while
sorry guys

rereading now

I trust PJ when he uses that great justice line

tho he should come to MEMeMeet

[petroleumjelly]

*huggles Pooky*

And dangit, I would

love

to go to MeMeMeet, but at least this year, it is quite impossible from a financial perspective.

[Gleeman]

13 Mariyta - (machmafia, Tamuz, Yossarian, TSS, Spamwise, Armlx, Illumina, bascas, Themanhimself, babyjesus, petrojelly, spamwise, pooky)
2 Armlx (Axelrod, channeldbird)
1 TSS (mariyta)

that is indeed a lynch.
The town gathers round mariyta, who is frantically claiming to me mazrim Taim.
A search of her strung up corpse reveals in reality to be Mazrim Taim!
damn bobo twins.

[Gleeman]

Cyan replaces coron, effective immeadiately.

[Gleeman]

A grim dawn breaks for the town.
Babyjesus's corpse is found, well, the ripped to peices corpse that resembles babyjesus's corpse is found, a search of clothing revelas him to be allana sedai.
Albert the great appears to have been smothered using the power, he is easily identifyable as Perrin goldeneyes, sorry news again.
Some good news is retrievable though, as the corpse of the renegade Aes Sedai Axelrod is found swollen and bloated, Linadrin Sedai is no more.

Dead -
Babyjesus - Allana Sedai
Albert the Great - Perrin Aybara
Axelrod - Linadrin Sedai

with 18 living its 10 to lynch
Vote!

[mystery meat of doom]

Okay can anyone identify them as mafia/town?

Three kills a night is alot. This means we have two mafia-groups and a SK, one mafia group and 2 SKs, or we have a vig.

I'd rather like it if that if its the vig, that he stop firing.

[MrBuddyLee]

I could see an irresponsible vig hitting Albert after yesterday's discussion.

I kinda made up my mind yesterday that Axelrod and Dbird acted strange when grilling me. I realize what I had to say was reasonably doubtable, but some of the things they said didn't ring quite true with me. That plus Dbird's expressed reasons for not voting Mariyta looked odd made him look more suspicious than Axel. So I reread overnight and I'm comfortable starting out with a

vote: Channel Delibird.

[petroleumjelly]

Yeah, that's interesting that Axelrod turned out to be scum. I will freely admit that I had him in my "pro-town" slot in my notes.

I'll give this game a reread later today before I cast a vote or anything.

[Cyan]

I've read through the thread a couple of times now, and still can't figure out how MBL got off of the hook.

Vote MBL

[armlx]

Axel is a good player like that. He has won many almost unwinnable games on MTGS.

In other words, I trust MBL to be town this game (and therefore his analysis as he has been pretty right so far when I have played with him) so I'll follow his

Vote Channel Delibird

.

[MrBuddyLee]

Care to elaborate, Cyan? I'd like to know why you find me suspicious.

[petroleumjelly]

Now that I think on it:

Fritz, what's the play today?

[Cyan]

@ MBL:

Off of the top of my head..

You weren't involved in lynching Karn nor Mariyta, both of whom are clearly scum(Mazrim Taim couldn't be considered town by even a wild stretch of the imagination)...even after they both made ridiculously bad claims, you didn't vote them. You even tried to attack people for not believing Karn's 'Super Cop' claim(honestly, this was the most obviously fabricated claim that I have ever seen in any mafia game I've read/played).

You avidly defended Mr. Flay, who...also turned out to be scum.

From what it looks like, you more or less fabricated a theory about mind control, and tried to use Tamuz' odd posting style to validate it. When he debunked that theory, you 'confessed' that someone tried to collar you on Night 1...which of course failed, conveniently. Again, like in the Nynave claim case, your lack of WoT knowledge foiled you, as the A'dam doesn't grant mind control in the first place, it creates a link between two channelers and lets one woman be the dominant person in the relationship. Nevermind how unlikely it would be that Forsaken, Black Ajah, and Seanchan would ALL be in the game, along with Mazrim Taim(likely the SK).

Lastly, you came out of nowhere to attack ChannelDelibird this morning, giving no reason except, apparently, a general case of 'OMGUS'.

[MrBuddyLee]

You weren't involved in lynching Karn nor Mariyta

Demonstrably false. I posted against her. Voting is not the only way to contribute, and I've chosen my words carefully in order to comment on several people the past few days.

You even tried to attack people for not believing Karn's 'Super Cop' claim.

I didn't attack them--I gave one mild reason in each direction and said I couldn't make up my mind on the situation. I do recall stating that killing a confirmable claimed role should be considered carefully before action, which is not really an attack.

You avidly defended Mr. Flay, who...also turned out to be scum. From what it looks like, you more or less fabricated a theory about mind control.

My avid defense of Flay was actually correctly noting that Tamuz's vote was coerced.

Lastly, you came out of nowhere to attack ChannelDelibird this morning, giving no reason except, apparently, a general case of 'OMGUS'.

I'm in the unique position of having had an unusual night experience, telling the town for its benefit, and viewing the reactions. I found Axelrod's and Delibird's reactions suspect for very different reasons. I think it's reasonable for you to find my story suspicious, but it's true, and if your posts don't allow for that possibility or ask unusual questions about my experience, I get scummy vibes from you.

[Cyan]

I don't remember Tamuz' saying that his vote was coerced..I remember people speculating that and him not confirming, and him going out of his way to say that whomever is playing Rand didn't coerce his vote(and to be fair, the only real speculation at that point was that Rand had coerced his vote..I took his denying that as denying that his vote was coerced period).

Also, as for Flay, his responses/lackthereof were a key part of him continuing to gain votes against him, IMO. Had Karn not thrown himself in the noose, I think Flay would have ended up lynched that day..but obviously that's just speculation.

You're right, you did criticize Mariyta..and then not vote her. I didn't mention that on purpose, because I wanted to see if you'd use it as a defense. To me, the fact that you were against her, yet, wouldn't vote her, only makes you look more scummy, and the fact that you used this line of defense, only moreso.

No idea what 'in the unique position of having had an unusual night experience' is supposed to mean.

[SpamWise]

Vote: Yosarian

Fairly sure he's scum.

[MrBuddyLee]

I don't remember Tamuz' saying that his vote was coerced..I remember people speculating that and him not confirming, and him going out of his way to say that whomever is playing Rand didn't coerce his vote(and to be fair, the only real speculation at that point was that Rand had coerced his vote..I took his denying that as denying that his vote was coerced period).

Being who I am
My actions had some pre-plan
given by the mod, oh great Satan

I must have lead a wagon
In my service to the great Dragon
But for now I'm as good as a drunk without a flagon.

Why I choose to wagon Flay
That I would rather not tell today
And no more information from that source in my hand does stay

I know you think I am under control
But that is no more true than I have the bowl
But know I am now in free control of my soul

The one thing I had to do
Was lead that bandwagon through
And all my actions are true blue

It reads like his role forced him to lead a wagon and not move his vote all day, and someone told him Flay was a good target.

You're right, you did criticize Mariyta..and then not vote her. I didn't mention that on purpose, because I wanted to see if you'd use it as a defense. To me, the fact that you were against her, yet, wouldn't vote her, only makes you look more scummy, and the fact that you used this line of defense, only moreso.

For future reference, please feel free to hold my words against me, not just my voting pattern.

[Cyan]

It flatly states there:
[QUOTE=Tamuz]
I know you think I am under control
But that is no more true than I have the bowl
But know I am now in free control of my soul
[/QUOTE]

To me, that seems completely cut and dry that he is not under any sort of influence. I agree that it says that his vote has to stick, but, I think you are grossly misinterpreting(it's impossible to say whether or not on purpose at this point, and doesn't really matter anyway since Flay is rightfully dead regardless).

Anyway, I don't want Tamuz' to feel compelled to respond to this, as I strongly dislike speculating on role information, I just wanted to bring to light the fact that I disagree about him being under any sort of control, and why.

@Spamwise: How helpful of you.

[ChannelDelibird]

It does say in that quote that he was

now

in free control of his soul. I would like clarification from Tamuz as to whether that was just poor wording or there was an element of control before that.

I feel I explained everything regarding my non-voting of Mariyta and questioning of you yesterday, MBL.

But today I'm going to

vote: SpamWise

. Yesterday he attacked me, saying he was 'fairly sure I was scum' without giving an explanation further than that, now he's dropped it today and said instead that he's fairly sure Yosarian is scum. Make up your mind, SpamWise, and give some evidence.

[Fritzler]

Now that I think on it:

Fritz, what's the play today?

probably the man himself

Vote: themanhimself

[Cyan]

Unvote

for now..Spamwise seems like a more productive lynch anyway. MBL at least participates in the game, Spamwise posts just enough to not get accused of inactivity.

Vote Spamwise

.

[Bascas]

who kept trying to get people to vote Albert the Great?

[petroleumjelly]

Now that I think on it:

Fritz, what's the play today?

probably the man himself

Vote: themanhimself

Vote: TheManHimself

. Die, scum.

[MrBuddyLee]

who kept trying to get people to vote Albert the Great?

PJ, the silent speaker and just lol:

they may have just agreed on something from the book that could create a possibility, though I agree, it doesn't look good to agree with scum.

mFoS: Albert the Great