Mini 332 - Camp Scum Lake - Mod Abandoned

[B Rob]

I haven't posted because I'm working on a long analytical post. I should be done by later tonight. If you lynch me before then, then town deserves to lose.

There is absolutely no discussion. I think we should get some.
So..
B Rob, what about a roleclaim?

Unvote: ChannelDelibird

Vote: B Rob

No.

Day 1 roleclaims only benefit scum.

I strongly disagree on that one. I absolutely hate the way games are played around here. On other forums where I play ppl atleast understand the benefit of roleclaims to the town. I think every townie should roleclaim before they die. It's absolutely ridicilous to say roleclaims only benefit scum, more like only scum benefits from not roleclaiming thing.

But I'm gonna wait for that long analytical post and to make sure you don't get quicklynched coz of my vote

Unvote: B Rob

Lets see what you got for us. So far not so good but we'll see about this upcoming post.

Day 1 Roleclaims

Town Benefits

-Town doesn't lynch a potential powerrole
-Doc can protect the claimer

Scum Benefits

-Scum can nightkill the claimer
-Scum can

not

kill the claimer, casting suspicion on his claim
-Scum can counterclaim, causing confusion
-No nightchoice trail exists

Also, scum can fake a claim on Day 1 and it would have just as much "proof" as a true claim, since there is no way to verify a claim on Day 1.

If we're talking about claims after Day 1, everything changes.

Mod

, can you remove the extra posts, please?

[Twito]

Did you post that same post 3 times? Hopefully since otherwise it's too damn much text.

Gotta do some re-reading but I think that's about right and I'm fine with my unvote for now. I'm thinking of either moving back to my former vote on ChannelDelibird or maybe going to one of my other suspects, Rosso Carne.

I try to find time for re-read tomorrow.

[Twito]

Oh yeah and I still think discussion here is slow. I'm used to day / lynch or max 2days / lynch. Here it takes about 2 weeks / lynch. But that's all about activity which is fairly low around here.

[Maverick]

Wow, I must say that is the longest post I've ever seen, one that is definately unappopriate for a double post lol. That took a lot of thought, and a good 10 minutes to thouroughly read. First of all

Unvote: B Rob

because he made a ton of good logical statements in that summary, many that I agreed with, some that I didn't but good statements nonetheless. I'd go over it and tell you each and all the things I agreed and disagreed with, but unlike B Rob and other players I don't have the patience for that. To be honest, after that post I don't really know who I find suspicious anymore.. and it kind of makes all the information in my mind start all over. Here's my summary (very brief) of individuals:

(Random Order)

Twito: Seems like a smart player, one that doesn't make many mistakes that conclude to him being lynched as a townsperson. Plays a different game than many in that he only posts a little bit at a time, but still enough to where its not too little. I could easily see him being a very good scum in this game, he's played a perfect game so far if he were a scum. Not saying he is, but could definately call for an FOS. (Unbold)

B Rob: Has many thoughts running through his head it seems (reason for a large post, as to help him, and others, keep track of all the info and opinions). Very smart person though, as I have recently concluded. I think now that he is town, and I can't be 100% sure about anyone because there is no way to know for sure but he definately is clear in my mind for now.

PBug: Doesn't really post much information, don't really have an opinion on him other than what I have posted in the past, and that he seems to be lurking.

TB: Again, doesn't post much not much of an opinion.

Serinah80: I also think Serinah is a smart person and one of the things I agreed with the most in B Rob's long post is that her summary made lots of since and I didn't really disagree with much in it. I don't really find Serinah scummy anymore, but she could also be playing a very good game, in which case I'd give her even more smart points. 8)

Rosso Carne: Now that I think about it, Rosso Carne is somewhat suspicious IMO, in that he doesn't really post often, but enough to keep himself known in the game. He attacks people over weird reasons and agrees with weird things. (I dont really want to go back and quote examples, but he didn't find me scummy when I'll admit that I was acting weird) I have no problem throwing down a

FOS:Rosso Carne

WarpDragon: WarpDragon... Well, first of all as you all know he doesn't post much, but when he does I feel that he does know whats going on in the game. I definately think that he could post more opinions, however. I don't really find him suspicious for any reason other than that he doesn't post much.

Varian: I must say that B Rob makes a good point in saying that Varian seems to be defending me, which honestly is odd and makes me a bit uncomfortable. It seems that he uses most of his posts to either defend me, or give reasons (not usually bad reasons, I must admit) for votes or suspicions. I think Varian is town, however that is playing a weird game.

ChannelDelibird: Very defensive, it seems to me. Anytime someone mentions his name he immediately throws something back or gives some sort of explanation. He hasn't been posting as much lately, but neither have I mostly because not a lot has gone on involving but a few players. Really, I think CDB very well could be scum so I'll

FOS:ChannelDelibird

.

Maverick: I'll admit that I have been overly agressive and that my frustration was showing. I don't really have a self analysis except for saying that I don't blame anyone for finding me scummy before, and I think almost all of the points B Rob made about me were good ones, and it makes me understand better why he unvoted me.

Erotomachia: Seems like a very smart player as well. He doesn't really post much, but when he does I think it helps. I think that Erotomachia is town, but I could also easily see him being scum. He plays a good game, either way.

Yellowbounder: Seems to be lurking the most. Doesn't post much at all, and doesn't help the game's discussion whatsoever IMO.

FOS: Yellowbounder

simply because he doesn't say anything helpful.

That's just a brief summary of everyones play so far this game. I tried to be fair, and not take anyones side.. especially since at this point I dont have a lot to go by. Looking back I said that I dont like making long posts.. but this is a really long post lol. Hope it's helpful.

I also rushed towards the end, because I started getting impatient.. and I'm not rereading the preview so there may be many mistakes in typing ect.

[Rosso Carne]

And after about 20 minutes of my life down the tubes, I suddenly wish this was Bad Idea mafia.

First off, you wanna throw accusations at me D1, don't use that kind of logic. I'm a jerk, thats not scummy. It's the way I play, so get over it. And as far as accusations of lurking, well sorry I don't submit a point by point analysis of the entire 9 pages of game. Sorry to sound like a jackass about that, but you're fishing, and thats such a scummy move D1. What scum wouldn't want a D1 claim. Easy target or easy person to set up for not dying during the night.

BRob, your question earlier, 2 or 3 people included channeldel, eroto, and yourself. They were

feelings

, and now that theres some actual information on the table, the Meatdar points somewhere else. Also keep in mind, I wasnt suspecting you earlier cuz you unvoted, I suspected you because you erratically shifted your views as pretty much any misshapen post was made, first to me, then mav, then varian, etc.

I don't quite know what to think about you {and dont take this personally for later games I may have with you}. General freshmen {including myself} enjoy making PBPAs cuz it signifies making justice to the town, and acting as a sort of scribe, but I don't like the general pull from you that followed...

EOP, as duty calls. I'll finish this thought tommorow.

[B Rob]

In the interest of helping the town (and to compare my record to serinah's)...

Voting Records

Here is a summary of how each player has voted today. After the first vote, each vote change has a number representing the number of posts that player made between changes, including the actual vote post. Unvotes that are coupled with a new vote are not recorded. FoS's are not counted. This was done totally non-scientifically, so it's not guaranteed accurate.

warpdragon:

Twito (no change after 3 posts)

Rosso Carne:

PBuG, Varian(3), Unvote(2), B Rob(4) (no change after 5 posts)

ChannelDelibird:

yellowbounder, serinah80(2), unvote(1), Maverick(4), unvote(2), (no change after 5 posts)

yellowbounder:

Rosso Carne (no change after 4 posts)

Erotomachia:

No starting vote, B Rob(5), (no change after 2 posts)

serinah80:

Maverick, Rosso Carne(2), Unvote(6), (no change after 5 posts)

B Rob:

TB, Twito(2), Maverick(2), Unvote(4), Rosso Carne(1), Varian(5), (no change after 5 posts, counting the triple post as one post)

Varian:

Twito, Rosso Carne(3), B Rob(4), (no change after 6 posts)

Twito:

Varian, ChannelDelibird(5), B Rob(7), Unvote(1), (no change after 2 posts)

Maverick:

No starting vote, serinah80(2), ChannelDelibird(3), B Rob(5), Unvote(8)

TB:

PBuG, Maverick(3), Rosso Carne(2), (no change after 1 post)

PBuG:

ChannelDelibird, Rosso Carne(3), Unvote(1), B Rob(1), (no change after 1 post)

[ChannelDelibird]

First of all, B Rob, congratulations - that was the

worst possible post

for you to accidentally triple post. XD I found your analysis helpful however.

ChannelDelibird: Very defensive, it seems to me. Anytime someone mentions his name he immediately throws something back or gives some sort of explanation. He hasn't been posting as much lately, but neither have I mostly because not a lot has gone on involving but a few players. Really, I think CDB very well could be scum so I'll

FOS:ChannelDelibird

.

I post whenever someone mentions me because it gives me something to post about and if I didn't answer people's suspicions about me they would think I was avoiding the issue. You'll also notice that before that flurry of posts when I wasn't online last night that I had been posting the most recent discussion.

Yellowbounder: Seems to be lurking the most. Doesn't post much at all, and doesn't help the game's discussion whatsoever IMO.

FOS: Yellowbounder

simply because he doesn't say anything helpful.

I wouldn't be too hard on him - I know yellowbounder IRL and we both have important exams going on at the moment. His parents don't let him have much computer time at the moment, but he's posting when he can.

[audacesiuvat]

Vote Count:

B Rob (4): Varian, Rosso Carne, Erotomachia, PBuG
Rosso Carne (2): yellowbounder, TB
Twito (1): WarpDragon
Varian (1): B Rob

Not Voting (4): serinah80, ChannelDelibird, Twito, Maverick

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

[TBuG]

Gah.

Unvote

for the major contribution.

@ warpdragon, I meant at least, I didn't remember exactly when you came.

ANYWAY...

Vote: Rosso Carne

because you're COMPLAINING because B Rob is analyzing important information. Something wrong about people analyzing your posts, Rosso?

Maverick, I'm not lurking, I'm a high school freshman with extra-cirriculars.

[Twito]

Like I said on 151

Gotta do some re-reading but I think that's about right and I'm fine with my unvote for now. I'm thinking of either moving back to my former vote on ChannelDelibird or maybe going to one of my other suspects, Rosso Carne.

Well I don't even need to do re-read just yet. Decided my vote based on replys by ChannelDelibird and Rosso Carne.

Post 154

First off, you wanna throw accusations at me D1, don't use that kind of logic. I'm a jerk, thats not scummy. It's the way I play, so get over it.

Sorry I'm not buying it. I think you are acting scummy and saying that's just the way you play doesn't make it okey.

Vote: Rosso Carne

[Varian]

I'm keeping my post on B Rob.. he is majorly lurking in my other game with him.. and in this game seems to be really really really trying to come off as a super contributor. Out of the two actions, when they're side by side from the same player, i'm going with the super contributor to be the more scummy play.

Yeah, its metagaming, but, we're here to win, aren't we?

[B Rob]

Frankly, the other game sucks. I'm trying to get back into it. If you want to vote me for that reason, that's your perrogative.

[B Rob]

BTW, thanks to the mod for removing the extra posts.

[yellowbounder]

Okay, well after

I-don't-know-how-long

I'm back! Almost back from the dead considering my contribution, which I confess is probably a bit more than slightly short.

First off,

Unvote: Rosso Carne

since, random voting is long over.

But I'll start by posting a vauge analysis of the players in the game, with any relavant quotes. The colour indicated the level of suspision that I personally have. Note that I've included Lurker since it would be unfair to judge those who haven't posted enough. Lurking is bad, and so thus I've been bad, but I'm not going to label those lurkers SCUM, because unless they lurk totally to every single possibility, I'm not going to prounounce anything.

Mafia

Possibly Mafia

Suspisious

Unknown

Not Suspitious

Possibly Town

Town

Lurker

warpdragon = A bit of a lurker, but I can hardly talk.

Rosso Carne = His and Varian's little tussle started the serious discussion and put suspision on them both. Personally, I just think he's probably not scum, but still is a bit of a jerk/agressive.

ChannelDelibird = Always provides valuable points that make sense. Not pointing fingers without valid reason, and justifies most votes. Probably town.

yellowbounder = I think he's intelligent, witty, brave, good looking, and a lurker.

Erotomachia = The

lurker

person-who-does-not-post-very-much with an avatar of some hands. Not much to be said.

serinah80 = The self claimed "teenage girl" that is suspitious of ChannelDelibird meerly because of his logical and Sherlock Holmes demeanor.

B Rob = With his massive post that he apparantly posted 3 three times, by accident, he has provided an exellent summary of day 1 so far. He seems to be town.

Varian = The one-without-the-avatar-and-thus-difficult-to-analyse-since-I-always-misplace-his -posts. He is agressive, and seems to be pro-discussion without giving much to the discussion to begin with. Tends to agree with previous points than rather bring new food to the table.

Twito = Hangs around in the background, pressed B Rob for a roleclaim, but not automaticly scum, just suspitious.

Maverick = The one who points out the lack of contribution on everyone else's part. Not sure about this one.

TB = Not much comment. No particular scummy behaviour, but hardly saving-the-mayor-on-a-horse-protown-behaviour.

PBuG = Not much either.

That sums up my opinions, so that's all.

[TBuG]

Thanks, yellowbounder, that helps. (not sarcasm)
I do, however, view Rosso Carne as the most suspicious right now, So I'll keep my vote.

[Twito]

Doesn't really help since I disagree with many of those.. I've already stated my suspicions and I think Rosso is most suspicious and that's where I will keep my vote.

[Rosso Carne]

First off, thanks for actually letting me finish my post.

To finish, PBPAs are viewed, by many experienced players as a way to both bog down the game and as a scum technique to suck up to the town. You wanna attack me for metagaming and keeping good policy? Do it outside the game.

As for the rest, BRob, your post is incredibly beneficial, not really to my opinion of you, but helped nonetheless. Twito, you want a quick day 1? Why is this? day 1 is where you get the most information to be used later when the town actually has some hard information to use.

BRob, the statement I was going to hope you wouldnt take offense to is that you are still not horrible experienced, so if you are scum, you probably wouldnt be ballsy enough to post such a huge post without garnering such suspiscion. The reaction to your posts however, really point to scum bandwagoners.

unvote, vote:twito

[Twito]

Twito, you want a quick day 1? Why is this?

I don't especially want quick day 1, I never said so. I want all nights and all days to be quick compared to what they usually are when playing at mafiascum. And I want this in every game I'm playing here. Sadly I'm often get voted coz of it and that happens in most of my games here..

[Twito]

Btw I think that looks like a counter vote with pretty poor reasoning behind it.

[Rosso Carne]

I'm used to day / lynch or max 2days / lynch.

In a 12 player game, 1-2 days is hardly enough to get random the random voting stage in. Fast day=no informaton-->easy scum win

[Twito]

I'm used to day / lynch or max 2days / lynch.

In a 12 player game, 1-2 days is hardly enough to get random the random voting stage in. Fast day=no informaton-->easy scum win

Here it is yes coz of inactivity.
But I still prefer max 1week / mafia day even in here.

[Erotomachia]

B Rob, let me explain what made me uncomfortable about you in the first place.

Maverick, if you weren't seeking your own lynch, then you should be more clear about it. This post is about as clear as mud:

...

Hmm... after reading his posts again, I think Maverick is town. As for weather or not he was asking to be lynched, I think it's debatable at best. I'm going to Unvote: Maverick

I thought it really weird that you said Maverick was contradicting himself and then unvoted him

in the same post

. You seemed to be criticizing him pretty heavily and then your entire argument fell apart in a single post. That's why I couldn't understand your unvote.

However, your recent contributions are rather outstanding.

Unvote: B Rob

Twito, you want a quick day 1?

I don't think Twito ever said that, and putting words into people's mouths only makes me more suspicious of you.

[Rosso Carne]

@eroto:

Even a week is hardly enough for 12 uninformed people to form an opinion, supply it, and then add to it based on what others give. there's no reason to demand a quick day, and its horrible for the town if that happens. How else was I supposed to take that?

[Twito]

@eroto:

Even a week is hardly enough for 12 uninformed people to form an opinion, supply it, and then add to it based on what others give. there's no reason to demand a quick day, and its horrible for the town if that happens. How else was I supposed to take that?

Week is easily enough. It depends on players playing the game.
I've played many successful game where we get more info in day one that we get here with more players than in this game and lynches taking only couple of days.
It's not that week is too little bit of time, it's that players waste the time of others by not posting and being inactive. If players are active then couple days is all you need to gather information and vote properly.

If every day is gonna take a month I won't have time to finish this game(in other way than dying) since I won't have access to computer after 1.5months. Maybe it's selfish of me to hope that players would be active enough to finish a day in less than a month.
Also I'm planning on finishing my current games here at mafiascum and not sign up for new ones since the speed in games is ridicilous.

But if you feel like voting me for my opinion when there should be much more info on the table, it being page7 and all, then I must ask that what's the use of all those posts when your not even reading them. What's the use of taking month for lynch when you base your vote on something you could have based it on the beginning of the game?

Did I make myself clear now? Thank you for your time.

[Twito]

And when I say I prefer max week/lynch it isn't same than demanding quickday. Prefering something is hardly demanding something. And week is hardly a quickday.

I don't like the way you are turning my words around and making something up. But I guess that is how you provide important information.. about yourself.