B Rob (4): Maverick, Varian, Rosso Carne, Erotomachia
Rosso Carne (3): yellowbounder, PBuG, TB
ChannelDelibird (1): Twito
Twito (1): WarpDragon
Varian (1): B Rob
Not Voting (2): serinah80, ChannelDelibird
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You think I'm scum because I play differently to you? WTF?serinah80 wrote:ChannelDelibird - logical, thinks through everything he says. I personally find this type of players the most suspicious. maybe it's because I'm the exact opposite by nature. I don't understand sherlocks. so FoS CDB.
that's why I wrote "like". I saw the join date. The reason I see you as one is probably that I'm just as much n00b as you are.Erotomachia wrote:My, my, quite a surprise. I'm flattered that you would view me as an experienced player, because I am in fact a huge newbie! (This is only my 3rd game, and the 2nd one's still in progress.)serinah80 wrote:Varian, TB, Erotomachia - They act like experienced players .
no need to get to get agressive again. I'm not even voting. just giving MHO.ChannelDelibird wrote:
You think I'm scum because I play differently to you? WTF?FoS: serinahIt is not in your best interests to just get rid of everything you 'don't understand'.
I didn't understand a word of that.yellowbounder wrote:Not understanding things, can be scummy, as an excuse of ignorance.
"Oh, I didn't know he was going to do that," in defence of your actions.
Not that it IS scummy, but it could be a possible tactic, and it is best for the town to stay up to date with what is happening.
This is of course because I thought Rosso was scum, please note that I didn't gave an analyses of Rosso, but of Maverick there, in relation to Rosso.ChannelDelibird wrote:FoS: TB for not considering the possibility that Rosso might be innocent. At the moment, I'm not sure who's the best lynch today. unvote: Maverick for now, although maintaining an FoS.
Yes, I think it's fairly safe to say that they are lurking, which means that there is a good chance they are scum trying to get us lynching each other..Serinah80 wrote:yellowbounder, PBuG, WarpDragon - it's impossible to have an opinion on anyone that are hardly playing.
That is the point that I recognised you making and was concerned about. I have not been twisting your words but I don't think there's any point pursuing this argument any more, we've both got our points across.serinah80 wrote:Me not geting you might be because my way of thinking is different than yours. "I don't understand you" should be actually read here: "I can't imagine what it's like to be a methodical and logical person." So here I'm basically saying that your actions might not be suspecious but I only see them like that.
Twito wrote:There is absolutely no discussion. I think we should get some.
So..
B Rob, what about a roleclaim?
Unvote: ChannelDelibird
Vote: B Rob
It's not me being cocky, it's me having been on Mafiascum for three years. I refered to warpdragon as highly experienced as well because he's definitely been here for over a year.Maverick wrote:I don't know about pbug either though, he doesn't post much, then when he does his information either doesn't help at all, or doesn't make since. Then calling himself a highly expierenced player, even if it is true I don't like cockiness. Just my opinion though.
I strongly disagree on that one. I absolutely hate the way games are played around here. On other forums where I play ppl atleast understand the benefit of roleclaims to the town. I think every townie should roleclaim before they die. It's absolutely ridicilous to say roleclaims only benefit scum, more like only scum benefits from not roleclaiming thing.B Rob wrote:I haven't posted because I'm working on a long analytical post. I should be done by later tonight. If you lynch me before then, then town deserves to lose.
Twito wrote:There is absolutely no discussion. I think we should get some.
So..
B Rob, what about a roleclaim?
Unvote: ChannelDelibird
Vote: B RobNo.Day 1 roleclaims only benefit scum.
Rosso Carne wrote:unvote, vote:varianfor thinking im stupid enough not to open freaking wikipedia.
Varian wrote:Um... huh?Rosso Carne wrote:unvote, vote:varianfor thinking im stupid enough not to open freaking wikipedia.
That wasn't even directed at you, Mr Brilliance.
You weren't even involved in the conversation about maverick having to do with knives. Not even mentioning the fact that a usually denotes a joke.
Unless you've got 2 accounts in the same game?
Unvote, Vote: Rosso Carnefor being incredibly and wrongly touchy.
This results in a three vote bandwagon, consisting of Yellowbounder's random vote, Varian's reaction vote, and serinah80's vote:Rosso Carne wrote:confirm vote: varian
Yeah, I think explosions in the face of a vote, esp against an obvious jerk is a definite scum tell.
I didn't notice this before, (boy, I'm gonna get crucified for saying that) but Maverick then voted for serinah80 for curious reasons:serinah80 wrote:unvoteRosso Carne
vote
If Varian over reacted, then Rosso started it by being agressive.
Acting like a jerk means acting like a scum in my book. Especially so early in the game...
(note: I didn't say he was a jerk, I said he acted like it.)
8)
Channel Delibird votes serinah80 for the same reason:Maverick wrote:This is such a weird arguement, but I guess it is only Day 1, we don't have much to go by except explosions about name definitions.
Vote:Serinah80for adding the third vote on Rosso without good reason, and for voting me earlier.
This bandwagon didn't go anywhere because Varian ensured he and Rosso Carne were the center of attention:ChannelDelibird wrote:Anyway, there was no need to put three on Rosso Carne yet.Vote: Serinah80I don't see why Rosso Carne should have any votes yet anyway.
Rosso attempted to explain himself, but Varain tried to egg him on:Varian wrote:heh, I like howI'mthe one who over reacted.
By calling him Mr. Brilliance (because, you know, he said he wasn't stupid), when he basically jumped into a conversation he wasn't a part of and acted like a jerk.
I didn't explode, I was amused that someone could so easily find something not even directed in their vicinity as offensive.
Rosso Carne wrote:with all due respect, it is page 2.
And yes you overreacted. I'm a part of this conversation based on the fact that I'm a part of this game. If you can't take random voting without exploding, whats the point of it.
They were both being jerks, but Varain has been worse in my opinion.Varian wrote:That is the most retarded thing i've ever heard.Rosso Carne wrote:with all due respect, it is page 2.
And yes you overreacted. I'm a part of this conversation based on the fact that I'm a part of this game. If you can't take random voting without exploding, whats the point of it.
That's like saying little children should be involved in all discussions their parents have, because hey, they're part of the family.
Two people had made comments about the word maverick, you were not one of them. Why on earth would my comment be directed, in any way, at you?
I still find it funny; this is one of the most amusing start-games i've been a part of.
Oh, and I like how you called it "random voting", except, it was after you had cast a random vote... and you attached a reason to it... me thinks that makes it defy the definition of random.
Do we need another vocabulary lesson? This time itcanbe directed at you.
Isn't there another player who did the same thing, gave a similar explination, and was bandwagoned for it? (For those of you who can't figure it out, I'm talking about myself here.)ChannelDelibird wrote:Maverick wrote:Alright,Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird
You keep coming in and agreeing with what everyone else is saying, you don't add anything to discussions that is your own opinion to help us get more information. All you have done is make votes for no reason, and then agree with what other people are saying when you unvote. To me it seems like a desperate attemp to get the finger off of yourself.
I never really found Serinah suspicious, just the fact that there was an arguement about nothing and she voted because of it.
As for Rosso Carne, I don't feel any need to vote him due to two random votes because that is weird but not lynch worthy..On the contrary, I had a reason to vote for Serinah, but I realised it was a bad one and unvoted.It's also a little difficult to add more into the discussion while there is so little to go on. All we have is a pointless argument about something that has no relevance, and I have already said that I don't feel we can draw anything from that. Also, I don't understand your point about 'a desperate attempt to get the finger off of myself'. As far as I could tell there was nobody pointing the finger of suspicion at me.
That's pretty miraculous, since he hadn't had time to read through a two and a half page thread, yet he's paying close attention whenever his name is mentioned.Twito wrote:Well I'm here. Just hadn't had time to read through topic so I haven't posted. I wanna have base on my votes or I just stick with random.
My testweek is ending so I should have time to go through everything soon enough.
I brought it up before, but I think it's worth repeating: Rosso Carne mentions two or three people who distanced themselves from serinah80, but doesn't mention who they are. This is scummy because he doesn't have to provide his own information, he can just wait for a townie to prompt him with the answers. TB did it for him.Rosso Carne wrote:Sorry I havent been on in a bit.
Just to end this, I like getting into an argument and be a jerk D1, as its the only way to get any information out of anyone. I didnt want to start a major bicker contest, but explosions on D1 have always helped in later days. And no one take any true offense to this, but if you think I'm bad, don't even think about playing with some others *cough*BJ*cough*AniX*cough*
As for t3h actual content. Serinah's actions through the game have been odd to me. I have some suspiscions as to who her partner may be if she turns out scum. 2 or 3 people have illustrated scummy behavior while trying to distance themselves from Serinah.
and btw!listandaud: can we get a prod on warpdragonas he hasnt checked in.
This is Maverick's scummiest behavior so far. It might have just been misinterpreted, I'm not sure. Since I've been rereading, I'm starting to think Maverick is scummy again.ChannelDelibird wrote:Maverick wrote:Finally some good discussion. I've been overly aggressive the entire game on purpose and nobody, until now has noticed.. or at least said anything about it. All I'm trying to do is to start conversation that will actually lead to something, not trying to make myself suspicious.
I'm not sure I buy that. Just as people seem to be a little suspicious you've quickly tried to make your earlier approach to the game seem like a clever ploy.FoS: Maverick
Bolding mine.Maverick wrote:As of now, I'm happy with my vote on ChannelDelibird, because I still say that he's trying too hard to cover something.He may not be scum,but from all we have to go by, in my opinion he is the most suspicious.
Oh and Serinah80, just so you know you didn't bold your unvote so the mod won't get it.
Surely this is a contradiction. You think I'm trying to cover something up but you think I might not be scum - either it's one or the other, as a pro-town player has no need to cover-up. I really think you're trying to make something out of nothing here. And you certainly shouldn't be voting for me if you don't think I'm scum. I'm not going to vote yet though.
This is a good summary posted by Twito. I agree with many things said here (bolded), but I disagree with other things (italic). Overall, I would say Twito is protown, but I can't say for certain since Twito has given so little content.Twito wrote:Rosso Carne first completely over reacted and replied something that made no sence since what Varian had said had nothing to do with him. He even votes based on this completely made up evidence. Then Varian pointed this out and (counter?)voted Rosso Carne for acting like moron.Rosso counter confirmvoted after that which is a scum tell to me.
Then ChannelDelibird fosses Varian for over reacting even though Rosso had first agressively over reacted.
serinah80 points out Rossos behavior and votes him.
Maverick votes serinah saying that serinah didn’t give argument againts Rosso when he voted even though he did.Looks like Maverick is trying to re-direct the conversation away from Rosso.
ChannelDelibird hops on serinah wagon.
Rosso unvotes his confirmed vote and fosses serinah for trying to start an early bandwagon on crap data even though there is currently an attempt to start wagon on serinah with worse data. Since when is placing the 3rd vote when it takes 7 so horrible?
B Rob makes his first post. Right away he fosses both Varian and Rosso saying that conversation is useless. Imo that has given some nice info.(Second post, actually. And how is that nice info?)
ChannelDelibird unvotes Serinah80 as he notices that wagon didn’t catch fire. Doesn’t really give any reason as to why he unvotes.
Then agrees with B Rob hoping that ppl ignore the whole conversation.(This implies a relationship that doesn't exist.)
Maverick Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird. No reason given for Serinah unvote other than the vote on ChannelDelibirdwhich imo has some good points.(What? Being terribly vague here.)
Serinah now unvotes Rosso Crane and fosses Maverick.
As interest againts earlier suspects has fallenB Rob now tries to direct the conversation on me with kinda shit reasons since he blames me for only posting 2 times and he himself has only posted 2 times.(Fair enough.)
Based on that:Vote ChannelDelibirdand fosses on many others.
The Maverick wagon develops:Maverick wrote:That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.
Rewording is a distortive tactic, btw.TB wrote:first of all,unvoteas we're pretty much done with the random voting.
Now that i've had some more time to look through the thread, i came to the following conclusion:This could also be worded as: "Oh dear, perhaps i've been a bit too aggresive early game, I better come up with a poor explanation so my scummy ass won't be lynched today" 8)Maverick wrote:Finally some good discussion. I've been overly aggressive the entire game on purpose and nobody, until now has noticed.. or at least said anything about it. All I'm trying to do is to start conversation that will actually lead to something, not trying to make myself suspicious.
Maverick has been acting aggresive, and as soon as he gets a FOS from someone he backs off, that is very suspicious in my opinion, so I think avote: Maverickis justified.
Erotomachia wrote:No, it wouldn't, because it would seem entirely reasonable toMaverick wrote:That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.everyoneto lynch you.
The point is that you're being overly aggressive against everyone "just to encourage discussion." That's not a good thing: random arguments aren't helpful at all.
FOS: Maverick
Maverick fuels his own wagon with this:Erotomachia wrote:Let me just add: in my first newbie game I did the same thing as Maverick. I made up arguments against a random person just to have something to say. And boy did I get punished--I got lynched day 1!
Incidently, I was scum that game...
This is hardly a defense. I'm not sure if it's scummy or not, since he's not going out on a limb to defend himself (protown), yet he is focusing on himself and not presenting any analysis or opinion (antitown). Just for the record, I agree that this has been a very good Day 1.Maverick wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.
And your right Erotomachia, random arguements arn't helpful, that's why I wanted to change the subject from arguing over the meaning of a name to everyone having something to talk about. Right now all we are doing is gathering information, most of you are focusing on me, but at the same time your reading everyone else's opinions and gathering information on other people whether you realize it or not.
Right now, I'd say we're doing very well for Day 1 as far as information goes.
Varain has stated twice that I "shredded" Maverick in this post, when I only mentioned Maverick half the time and clearly stated that I thought Maverick might have been protown.B Rob wrote:The fight between Varian and Rosso Carne could have resulted in a miss lynch if it was allowed to continue, which would be bad for the town. Fights like these occur because sometimes players don't get along, not because they are scum. I'd rather not give scum an easy lynch, thankyouverymuch.Twito wrote:B Rob makes his first post. Right away he fosses both Varian and Rosso saying that conversation is useless. Imo that has given some nice info.
ChannelDelibird unvotes Serinah80 as he notices that wagon didn’t catch fire. Doesn’t really give any reason as to why he unvotes.
Then agrees with B Rob hoping that ppl ignore the whole conversation.Sometimes scum players don't get along either.
Both of my posts had content (a random vote, and an attempt to prevent a day one miss lynch). Your posts consisted of a random vote and this:Twito wrote:As interest againts earlier suspects has fallen B Rob now tries to direct the conversation on me with kinda shit reasons since he blames me for only posting 2 times and he himself has only posted 2 times.I voted for Twito because I'm tired of scum sitting out of the game while the town votes for itself. Yes, I'll lurk sometimes, but I make a sincere effort to help the town when I post. Up until his summary of the game, Twito had done very little. Eh, maybe it was a little early to vote for that reason, but I'll stand by it just the same.Twito wrote:Hehe.. I actually got Varian by random and he is already voting me
This has to mean something
If you are referring to the two or three players you mentioned without giving their names, then here is my reasoning: if you are protown, I would think you would give those names right away rather then putting out a nebulous "two or three people." I think you would only do that if you wanted a townie to prompt you with that information without coming up with an original answer. You could then just agree with said townie, allowing you and your scum buddies to lynch someone that the townie mentions.Rosso Carne wrote:First of all, @ BRob, I feel its better kept for now, and if you're going to hold it against me, just know that (assuming a supposed setup of 3 scum) the other pairs (assuming serinah turns up scum) are different dependent on later information. So with all these dependent variables, giving scum an out like that is a bad idea.Also, if these players were distancing themselves from serinah80, then that implies a relationship between them. Telling us who those people are tells us what relationships you think are possible. Withholding this information is scummy!
No, I've been very clear with my opinion, actually. I voted Twito because I believed he was lurking. I then voted you because you said you were being overly aggressive on purpose, but I don't believe you were being very aggressive at all but said you were in order to give yourself a little breathing room whenever you actually did start being aggressive.Maverick wrote:B Rob, your logic makes no since. You are throwing around your opinion in the most random ways.. it seems that you are just going by the quickest thing you can find. You were first a hypocrit and voted twito for the same thing you had done, then later basically said "Oh the point was served, just wanted him to post" and found the first other option you saw and said oh I think I'll vote maverick. So random. That's a little scummy in my opinion, but my votes stays because the more ChannelDelibird talks the more I find him suspicious.
Up until now, you hadn't posted at all, and I didn't notice you. I fingered Twito because I noticed him while I was reading the thread, went back to read it again, and realized that he had posted very little in terms of content.warpdragon wrote:B Rob looks to be taking the easy way out with the lurker wagon but is in reality not helping the town because he did not even notice I had not said anything.
I say we give Maverick what he wants and lynch him.Maverick wrote:That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.Mistake.
I agree, this has been a good Day 1. Actually, this post makes you sound very protown to me, but I still think we should lynch someone when they are literally asking for it. Otherwise, we could have scum say the same thing and get away with it.Maverick wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.
And your right Erotomachia, random arguements arn't helpful, that's why I wanted to change the subject from arguing over the meaning of a name to everyone having something to talk about. Right now all we are doing is gathering information, most of you are focusing on me, but at the same time your reading everyone else's opinions and gathering information on other people whether you realize it or not.
Right now, I'd say we're doing very well for Day 1 as far as information goes.This was the truth at the time, but was conviniently forgotten by those on my bandwagon. I voted Maverick thinking that if he was as scummy as I thought he was, other townies would notice and vote. This was a bad idea, obviously.
After proofreading this post, I realized that early on I tried to prevent a miss lynch, and may now be advocating a miss lynch. I just don't think we should let someone go when they ask to be lynched.
ChannelDelibird wrote:This post is seriously worrying me. If you were pro-town, and you thought your arguments were helping the town to find scum, thenMaverick wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.
And your right Erotomachia, random arguements arn't helpful, that's why I wanted to change the subject from arguing over the meaning of a name to everyone having something to talk about. Right now all we are doing is gathering information, most of you are focusing on me, but at the same time your reading everyone else's opinions and gathering information on other people whether you realize it or not.
Right now, I'd say we're doing very well for Day 1 as far as information goes.why would you advocate us lynching you?I would only expect a pro-town player who didn't feel they were helping so much to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. You're certainly not in this category because you think you're doing good things for the town - as evidenced by your statement that this has been a good Day 1. I think you're trying to make us think you're too valuable to lynch. I've seen enough tovote: Maverick
Then Maverick posts this OMGUS vote:Twito wrote:If you are town, Maverick, it's not helpful that you ask to get lynched. I happens too damn often that newbie townies ask to get lynched town does what they ask for and wastes a townie.
If you feel like you don't have time to defend yourself rather ask to be replaced.
Oh yeah and just coz you are talking all this sacraficing bullshit doesn't mean I'm not suspicious of you anymore since I am.
Looking back, I do not believe that Maverick was ever asking to be lynched.Maverick wrote:Actually I don't recall ever asking to be lynched, all I said is that if you don't believe that I'm town I can't convince you so the only way to find out for sure is to lynch me. I guess that means "Lynch me please", because that's how your taking it.
AlsoUnvote: ChannelDelibird, Vote: B RobBecause BRob is playing one of the weirdest games I've seen.. he starts off saying hardly anything and somewhat lurking as to cover something. Then he votes someone else for the same reason and when someone notices he unvotes and starts talking a lot, and now seems to be taking the easiest bandwagon possible "The guy 'asking' to be lynched". ChannelDelibird quickly follows, not to say they started the wagon but they definately have made it an official wagon. Right now you two are the most suspicious to me.
This was Varian's second mistake (the first being the argument with Rosso). Providing analysis is protown, yet he votes me for it. Second, he defends Maverick, but later he accuses me of jumping off Maverick's bandwagon.Varian wrote:Well, I've just got to say that this sure is a change - usually I'm the one whose labelled as being too aggressive.
However, because of this, I think it would be a bad idea to lynch Maverick. I've never seen aggressiveness to be scummy, and I actually agree with him about B Rob. Though its somewhat metagaming in that I'm in another game with him, and that point-by-point post seems out of character for him.
So, I'm going to:
Unvote: Rosso Carne
Vote: B Rob
I would agree that unvoting Maverick appeared scummy at the time, but I provided a good reason.B Rob wrote:Maverick, if you weren't seeking your own lynch, then you should be more clear about it. This post is about as clear as mud:This is what you say in the following order:Maverick wrote:That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.
1) Lynch me because then you'll see my alignment.
2) You shouldn't lynch me.
3) Lynching me may not help you find any scum.
4) Lynching me would reduce the number of players, which would help you find scum.
Then you post this:It really seems like you want to be lynched.Maverick wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.
Hmm... after reading his posts again, I think Maverick is town. As for weather or not he was asking to be lynched, I think it's debatable at best. I'm going toUnvote: Maverick
That may be true. To let Maverick off completely would be a mistake. However, I believe he is protown, so I won't vote for him unless I see a good reason.ChannelDelibird wrote:He's still doing a very good job of confusing the town with all this though. He's an experienced player, so I'm leaning more towards the idea that he's deliberately doing that rather than the idea that he's just getting tangled up in his own thoughts. Vote stands.
Distortion via rewording. You make it sound like I didn't have a protown reason for unvoting.Rosso Carne wrote:Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.Vote:BRob
You believe Maverick is protown, correct? Do you want me to vote for Maverick regardless? If you want to defend Maverick, you can't accuse me for unvoting him! Take a stance, either Maverick should be voted or not, you can't have it both ways. Further more, my post by post could hardly be considered "shredding" Maverick.Varian wrote:Again, I've got to agree.
The backpedalling is just incredibly odd. Especially when you take the time to do a point-by-point post trying to rip him apart.. and when it dissolves in your hands..well, I think Rosso hit the nail on the head with his little quote.
My vote definitely stands.
I attempt to defend myself. Rosso responds:Erotomachia wrote:So you give us a thorough analysis of how Maverick contradicts himself, and then you proceed to unvote? That doesn't make any sense. If you think he's scummy, keep your vote on him.B Rob wrote:Maverick, if you weren't seeking your own lynch, then you should be more clear about it. This post is about as clear as mud:This is what you say in the following order:Maverick wrote:That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.
1) Lynch me because then you'll see my alignment.
2) You shouldn't lynch me.
3) Lynching me may not help you find any scum.
4) Lynching me would reduce the number of players, which would help you find scum.
Then you post this:It really seems like you want to be lynched.Maverick wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.
Hmm... after reading his posts again, I think Maverick is town. As for weather or not he was asking to be lynched, I think it's debatable at best. I'm going toUnvote: Maverick
FOS: B Rob
Pure WIFOM, scum either will mention each other or not. Also, I'm working on my own. If I have time before I'm lynched, I'll compare my record to serianah's. Maybe they are similar, but I don't see how that makes me scum unless you canRosso Carne wrote:B Rob wrote:Rip him appart? Come on, you make is sound like there's that much to go on! I had a little more time to think over it, and I've decided that he's probably protown. He really wasn't asking to be lynched, that was a misinterpretation on my part. Note: Channel Delibird seemed to buy into my misinterpretation. I unvoted him because I think he is protown. Shouldn't we lynch scum?Rosso Carne wrote:Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.Vote:BRob
And how am I linked to serinah? I haven't mentioned her at all, nor has she mentioned me. It sounds like you are trying to establish a potential scum pair that you can point to.Vote: Rosso CarneSlightly WIFOM here, but why would scum mention one another during the day, especially day 1. Just seems like that would put a target on scums heads right off the bat.
I say youre actions are linked as it seems that you're voting/suspiscion record are practically the same, as well as your "oh fuck..." behaviors (guess I'll be writing that a lot this game). on top of this, I feel your vote is slightly OMGUS.
Varian didn't care about this at all until this post. Previously, he voted me for unvoting Maverick. Varian's reasons for voting me seem to keep changing.Varian wrote:Even if hedidask to be lynch, how is it any manner of productive to actually do it if you don't think he's scum?
You're digging yourself a bigger hole.
I'm a bit too tired to say much more, so I'll post it tomorrow.
Replace Rosso Carne with Varian and I agree 100%.TB wrote:All right, that post is the limit.Unvote, vote Rosso Carne.
I'm getting the feeling that Maverick's buddy's are trying to protect him by attacking B Rob, while the arguments they use are extremely poor.
I understand B Rob's reasons for unvoting, and I was tempted to unvote myself, but since Maverick was still the most supicious guy in my book, I didn't. With this post:that completely changed.Rosso Carne wrote:I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.
I don't think it's possible to get no scummy vibes from Mav. By don't explaining yourself on the "other scummy vibes" you don't have a lot of evidence.
Either Maverick is scum and Rosso Carne is trying to protect him, or Maverick is protown and Rosso Carne is scum trying to convince other people that they shouldn't e making a mislynch, thus gaining the trust of the town.
Once again, since everyone that votes for me refuses to answer this question,Rosso Carne wrote:or, i honestly got nothing but a little aggression from mav. He never really asked to be lynched, that was fabricated/misread/whatever, and how are you sposed to get any information without a little aggression. I thought his bandwagon was extremely unreasonable mostly scum taking advantage of a mob mentality.
This exchange follows:Twito wrote:My primary suspects atm are:
ChannelDelibird
B Rob
Rosso
Maverick
And it's pretty hard to make decision between them. Lately B Rob has been posting pretty weak defence and I'm really considering on voting him.
It's scum that benefits from lynching everyone who asks to get lynched. I agree with Varian here.
B Robs defence, "misread", doesn't look right to me. Also he keeps saying that if someone askes to get lynched we should lynch him and I completely disagree with that. It's like suggesting massroleclaim on day1.
I haven't yet decided whether to keep my vote where it is or move it to someone else on that list.. almost feel like moving to B Rob but I think I will wait and see if those wibes change.
Maverick wrote:The more we get into this I find Twito more suspicious as well. Not enough for a vote, or even a FOS necisarily but he seems to not post much, and then we he does post he posts just enough to make it look like he's helping, but at the same time doesn't really add anything to discussion. He pretty much agrees with what has been said and it's weird.
I decide to vote for Varian, since he has attempted the most distortion, and he respons with:Twito wrote:I don't see need for me to post more.
I give my opinion and analyzes on things I feel are somehow important. If there is something that requires my attention let me know.. however I'm following the thread and answering guestions when someone doesn't do it quicker than me.
Very distortive. My long post had more to do with other players then Varian implies, and my vote for Maverick was tenative at best. Remember, ChannelDelibird did something similar and Varian said nothing.Varian wrote:Hm.. how interesting.. I go after you, and suddenly I become the scummiest. You're really not helping your caseat all.
I already stated that I don't think Maverick is scummy, and it wasn't that you unvotedhimpersay, but how you went about it.You took the time for a point-by-point post, where you adamantly spouted that he should be lynched, and then, an entire point-by-point argument falls apart because "Oops, I misread" If your entire vote was based off of that single little bit, it was pretty damn weak in the first place.
Also, if the person is a townie, then its not "an admission of defeat" its frustration.
And, if you are willing to lynch anyone who asks for it... why shouldIhave to rethink my idea? At least with my idea, I'm lynching someone who has set off a few people's scumdar.
I like this post a lot. serinah might have been somewhat erratic earlier, but this post seems protown to me. There's hardly anything here I disagree with. (I think Varian is the scummiest by far, and I trust ChannelDelibird more then she does.)serinah80 wrote:ok here goes.
firstly, I'm a woman and emotional one. I won't be giving much proof because I believe there is no sufficient proof on anything yet. but I'll give you my opinions.
Maverick - is acting like a townie. agressiveness is coming from his character. but he is trying to cover it up. (I wanted to start a discussion, etc).
BRob - hopping around, contradicting himself, changing his mind. very human, can be scum, can be teenager. (no offence, I'm one myself) somehow I still think he's town.
ChannelDelibird - logical, thinks through everything he says. I personally find this type of players the most suspicious. maybe it's because I'm the exact opposite by nature. I don't understand sherlocks. so FoS CDB.
Varian, TB, Erotomachia - I have no idea, too hard to crack. Can be town, can be scum. They act like experienced players and they play like they don't really care if the'll be lynched or not. It's just a game, right? They probably play at least 3 more right now and it shows here.
Twito - plays a hundred games at the same time and is mildly passionate about it. Somehow I think he would pay more attention to the game from the start if he was a scum.
Rosso Crane - my favourite scum. Well, I think he is. Agressive and sharp. His goal of game seems to be lynching someone. It might be town that likes action but I think it's a scum that wants to win. I'll be quite surprised if he turns up dead tomorrow. or any other day for that matter.
yellowbounder, PBuG, WarpDragon - it's impossible to have an opinion on anyone that are hardly playing.
Well, I have shared my thought, lets see who of you will mark me as scum and why
BTW, I don't remember if I already said that but just in case.
I'm not voting because I don't believe we have much evidence yet. Maybe I will vote at the end of the day, maybe not. I hope you won't find that scummy.
ChannelDelibird wrote:You think I'm scum because I play differently to you? WTF?serinah80 wrote:ChannelDelibird - logical, thinks through everything he says. I personally find this type of players the most suspicious. maybe it's because I'm the exact opposite by nature. I don't understand sherlocks. so FoS CDB.FoS: serinahIt is not in your best interests to just get rid of everything you 'don't understand'.
serinah80 wrote:no need to get to get agressive again. I'm not even voting. just giving MHO.
and you what, FoS me cause I don't understand things?? my theory about you being logical fly out of the window it seems...
PBug continues my bandwagon:ChannelDelibird wrote:I didn't understand a word of that.yellowbounder wrote:Not understanding things, can be scummy, as an excuse of ignorance.
"Oh, I didn't know he was going to do that," in defence of your actions.
Not that it IS scummy, but it could be a possible tactic, and it is best for the town to stay up to date with what is happening.
And I didn't FoS you, serinah, because you didn't understand things, I FoSsed you because you said I was most suspicious because my playstyle was different to yours. You gave me a FoS for that, which was craplogic.
And Twito votes me and asks for a role claim. Very scummy:PBuG wrote:Vote: B Robvery jumpy. Suspects anyone that votes for him. Hmmmmmm...
(There was plenty of discussion before he voted...)Twito wrote:There is absolutely no discussion. I think we should get some.
So..
B Rob, what about a roleclaim?
Unvote: ChannelDelibird
Vote: B Rob