Mini 291: Clue Mafia.....Game Over!

[EmpTyger]

kops:

Emp.... I'm really not sure at all what youre getting at... can you please explain??
Do you have some kind of information that implies Tamuz is scum.. if so, then why are you beating around the bush? That seems a really odd thing to do on day 3, especially in conjunction w/ a vote (even if there is an unvote right after) while we're in a possible speed lynch and/or lylo situation...<snip>

Tamuz could not have chosen the Conservatory- because the Conservatory was not a choice last night!

Also, for your night-moving pleasure, the following rooms are available:
The Library
The Study
The Hall
The Kitchen
The Billiard Room
The Dining Room
The Lounge

Happy Hiding!

I unvoted because I realized that before day ended, there was value in planning what would happen tonight. For which I propose the following:


All:
Today we lynch Tamuz.

Tonight
{Bamboo, Flay, kops, Tyger} stay in one room. (I’m arbitrarily picking the Library)
{bigAl, elvis} stay in a second room. (I’m arbitrarily picking the Hall)
I am thinking secret passages are immaterial, but we may as well play this safe and choose rooms from among {Library, Hall, Dining Room}. Nightabilities should be used prudently. However, vigilantes should not act, as entering night with 4 innocents:2 mafia, a misfire most likely loses the game. Also, I recommend that roleblockers not act either (to prevent confusion if we have a mafia roleblocker, in the case explained below), but given the events of Night 1 it may be okay; use your discretion.

Tomorrow either the correct course of action will be deducibly obvious, or I will claim first. At this point we can do things like have elvis clear up [468], and I will get around to posting my observations. Assuming that we don’t have another obvious lynch to handle, in which case we can reevaluate what the proper course of action is.

Does anyone have any objections to this? I will admit I am not completely sure how it will play out in every case, but I am fairly certain it will work out beneficially. The biggest potential confusion I can see involved a mafia roleblocker, in which case I don’t see how balancewise there could be more than a 2 person mafia, so the town will have enough time to act, provided this fact is recognized, which is why I am recommending protown roleblockers not act.

[Mr. Flay]

I can agree with everything EmpTyger wrote. If Tamuz tries to claim mod error (letting him pick a room that wasn't available), maybe she'll be kind enough to confirm for him. Or not...

[Tamuz]

I sent in conservatory. I was hoping to WIFOM out of death's way.

Perhaps that meant I got a random room, but I recieved nothing back.

[bigAl]

And you failed to mention that you picked an unpickable room when you were claiming too?

Tyger's plan seems pretty good.

Vote: Tamuz

Regarding elvis' post 468, she was pointing another case where people who vote the mod or other non-playing people are often scum, as Flay did to start off the game.

[Tamuz]

Yes, I failed, I got nothing back when I sent conservatory, so I didn't think twice about it until Emp mentioned it.

Elvis, we are way too far into the game to metagame here.

[kops]

OK... totally missed that, good call emp
Waiting for mod, but as soon as she posts, baring something contraversial, I, too will vote, for now just an

fos tamuz

Dont want to speed lynch yet.

[Tamuz]

speedlynch

Mafia are already voting me, I can't be speedlynched except by stupid townies now.

[Mr. Flay]

And you failed to mention that you picked an unpickable room when you were claiming too?

Tyger's plan seems pretty good.

Vote: Tamuz

Regarding elvis' post 468, she was pointing another case where people who vote the mod or other non-playing people are often scum, as Flay did to start off the game.

FOS: bigAl

for "getting" elvis' insinuation (spurious as it was). This strikes me as the sort of thing that could have been discussed last night, but it's not enough for me to vote either right now.

Waiting to hear from Orbiting before voting, but the Tamuz thing is just off...

[elvis_knits]

OMG FLAY...

Newbie 225... MeMe is Mod... this guy is dead scum:

Vote: Meme for not giving us a deadline

I unvoted because maybe there's someone who acts more like a scummie.

What on earth are you talking about? Seriously; you're claiming I'm scum here because of Newbie 225?

I was justing posting this for laughs. Maybe I should have made that more clear...

[elvis_knits]

And you failed to mention that you picked an unpickable room when you were claiming too?

Tyger's plan seems pretty good.

Vote: Tamuz

Regarding elvis' post 468, she was pointing another case where people who vote the mod or other non-playing people are often scum, as Flay did to start off the game.

FOS: bigAl

for "getting" elvis' insinuation (spurious as it was). This strikes me as the sort of thing that could have been discussed last night, but it's not enough for me to vote either right now.

Waiting to hear from Orbiting before voting, but the Tamuz thing is just off...

Flay... sorry I even posted that fact about the newbie game... I meant it in good fun. And the fact that bigAl "gets" the joke only means he actually was paying attention at the beginning of the game. If you think that we "discussed" this last night, take a look at my current newbie (234) to see that 225 was just brought to my attention minutes before I made that post in this game.

[elvis_knits]

Oh and Tamuz should probably die.

AKA... I am on board for his lynch.

[EmpTyger]

So we all are in agreement, except for Bamboo, who still has to check in.

Vote: Tamuz

. *1* other person should vote Tamuz. Then Bamboo will cast the lynching vote, assuming he has nothing else to add.

[Mr. Flay]

Tonight
{Bamboo, Flay, kops, Tyger} stay in one room. (I’m arbitrarily picking the Library)
{bigAl, elvis} stay in a second room. (I’m arbitrarily picking the Hall)
I am thinking secret passages are immaterial, but we may as well play this safe and choose rooms from among {Library, Hall, Dining Room}.

So if we still believe bamboo is the doc, this'll protect the bulk of the "more trusted" players, is that where you're going with this, ET?

[elvis_knits]

I'd like some more time to discuss room choices. I'm not sure I want to play along with the EmpTyger plan. I mean, everyone else is free to play along if that's what they want to do, but I'm not sure I want to just lay my ass out there for the mafia to pick me off.

I don't have time right this moment to post an alternate suggestion or really get into Emp's plan. I'm just asking for some more time to think about it.

Although if the lynch goes through before we can discuss, I'd like it to show that I may not adhere to Emp's planned room choices.

[Orbiting]

Flay: As the mod, I can hardly discuss people's night choices. I don't know what you're expecting me to confirm.

[Mr. Flay]

Right, then. Besides elvis, anyone else have a problem with EmpTyger's plan? By putting me and the doc in the same room, it maximizes the chances we'll both be sorted out tomorrow, I think.

[Bamboomancer]

oh... damn. Sorry, I thought I'd posted... and voted =/

(Finals week does not a happy bamboo man make)

Yeah, I'm cool with this, and since I'm apparently still reviled, I don't care if I'm the hammah. When someone else votes, I'll hammah.

[elvis_knits]

Right, then. Besides elvis, anyone else have a problem with EmpTyger's plan? By putting me and the doc in the same room, it maximizes the chances we'll both be sorted out tomorrow, I think.

Why don't we all stay in the same room then? If bamboo can protect us all, why not do it?

[Mr. Flay]

Sure. Unless the doc has efficacy problems with more people in the room. Or is lying and we're all about to die anyway. Or you've got some global kill power hidden in your knitting needless,

Miss

Pink

.

I don't care, really, where you go. I think EmpTyger was putting the scummiest-seeming people outside the room, so that if anyone dies, it'll likely be from that group and help us narrow things down. Of course if you come out with a night action I can see this time, it'll be a little funny after N1....

[EmpTyger]

It seems now that all but elvis are agreed; please allow elvis to be one of the ones casting one of the remaining votes on Tamuz to ensure that we do not go to night before we have consensus.


elvis:
The primary rationale behind my assigning rooms as I did was to maximize the amount of information available tomorrow. Even if protection was able to be granted to an entire room- an assumption I do not feel can be confidentally made- we would not necessarily be in an optimal position for tomorrow. The assignments have nothing to do with my considering you and bigAl more or less suspicious than Bamboo, Flay, and kops.

[Tamuz]

Yep, we're all in concensus here EmptyScum. Hows about you unvote and let me cast a vote on myself once I'm convinced I'm scum.

*checks his role PM*

Nope, nothing saying I'm scum there, just vanilla townieness.

[bigAl]

Would there be any advantage of having a couple people (Elvis and I?) not say where we are going? Propably wouldn't make much of a difference, unless scum have to pick which room that want to attack instead of the person (which is still a possibility). I'd be fine with the current plan too though.

[EmpTyger]

Unvote: Tamuz

to ensure that he is not prematurely lynched.


elvis:

<snip>I'm not sure I want to just lay my ass out there for the mafia to pick me off.

I don't have time right this moment to post an alternate suggestion or really get into Emp's plan. I'm just asking for some more time to think about it.<snip>

Let me know when you have considered it further. Hopefully my response to bigAl below will ease the concern you’ve already stated.


bigAl:

Would there be any advantage of having a couple people (Elvis and I?) not say where we are going? Propably wouldn't make much of a difference, unless scum have to pick which room that want to attack instead of the person (which is still a possibility). <snip>

What you are proposing would be disadvantageous because it will make it harder to figure things out tomorrow. I deliberately chose each of the assignments as I did. I am trying to avoid saying the logic behind my reasons explicitly lest I spell out how the mafia might be able to circumvent what I am trying to do. Tomorrow I promise that everything will be explained in full.

[elvis_knits]

elvis:
The primary rationale behind my assigning rooms as I did was to maximize the amount of information available tomorrow. Even if protection was able to be granted to an entire room- an assumption I do not feel can be confidentally made- we would not necessarily be in an optimal position for tomorrow. The assignments have nothing to do with my considering you and bigAl more or less suspicious than Bamboo, Flay, and kops.

So, you just want everyone in the same room except me and bigAl so that they can be confirmed? (By Flay, I guess. Or maybe in some other manner.)

So what is the reason for having bigAl and me seperate? If it isn't because you consider us more suspicious, what is the reason? And why have us in the same room?

It's possible I just don't understand because I'm really tired.

[EmpTyger]

elvis:
Now you’re just fishing. As I *just* said:

<snip>I am trying to avoid saying the logic behind my reasons explicitly lest I spell out how the mafia might be able to circumvent what I am trying to do. Tomorrow I promise that everything will be explained in full.

At this point I think I have to explain myself today, which might give mafia a chance to find a way around things tonight. But I since I think you just gave yourself away, fair trade.

argh I Need to run out right now and want to type my next up carefully, so please be patient. Will post tomorrow.