Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

Toogeloo · Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:38 am

In post 1947, Bogre wrote:1. You being number 1 on my list is an incorrect assumption.
Toog and Greyice are scum/null blobs for not really being present
, and I believe the miller claim.
I've been suspicious of kiwi for a much longer time than Toog/Grey
, and you
I never really can forgive for being horribly scummy in the early game
. So thus, one of kiwi/you are scum.

Did you just claim everyone in the game is scummy (except Grey who you are null on

despite

believing the Miller claim)? Who would you want to go against in the Ring if given the choice?

Oversoul · Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:15 pm

That is why we are killing Bogre.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:18 pm

Away for the weekend, so pretend that this post has awesome bbcode.

Bogre is the first kombatant!

3 to pick a combatant, deadline is the same.

Oversoul · Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:43 pm

choose: Kiwi

Bogre · Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:48 am

In post 1950, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 1947, Bogre wrote:1. You being number 1 on my list is an incorrect assumption.
Toog and Greyice are scum/null blobs for not really being present
, and I believe the miller claim.
I've been suspicious of kiwi for a much longer time than Toog/Grey
, and you
I never really can forgive for being horribly scummy in the early game
. So thus, one of kiwi/you are scum.

Did you just claim everyone in the game is scummy (except Grey who you are null on
despite
believing the Miller claim)? Who would you want to go against in the Ring if given the choice?

No, I'm saying you guys are kind of unreadable due to having not really participated or done anything notable.

Bogre · Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:56 am

And my voting flavor is Fire Skull.

Bogre · Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:18 pm

EDBWOP:

Should have read as I'm inclined to believe the Greyice claim because of the two mafia realms, BUT the point being is he's not really done much pro-town, and so really, the claim is the only thing distinguishing him from the scum/null blob status.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:09 am

Vote: kiwi

I'm tired of waiting for people to post thoughts. Just going to go with my read at this point.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:15 am

I'm kind of pissed off at the apathy here. Grey is the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and he hasn't even tried to help us. At least of of Kiwi and Bogre is town, and neither is really fighting for their life.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:16 am

In post 1958, Toogeloo wrote:At least of of Kiwi and Bogre is town

ebwop: at least one of

Oversoul · Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:18 am

In post 1958, Toogeloo wrote:I'm kind of pissed off at the apathy here. Grey is the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and he hasn't even tried to help us. At least of of Kiwi and Bogre is town, and neither is really fighting for their life.

Same. If the scum can win this game by lurking, I am going to be pissed.

Here is my revelation...

The pictures in the role PMs and the flavor associated with role actions comes from the Mortal Kombat Wiki. Sareena is a peculiar role in that aspect as she really does not have any flavor. However, the picture is most likely true. I thought there would be a discrepancy for the janitor kill (do they do a full reveal with picture and the like or just that one line reveal on the first page?).

I don't know what to think at this point and I am going to rely on classic scumhunting instead of trying to out smart the mod who probably included fakeclaims with pictures and flavor.

Bogre · Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:07 pm

In post 1958, Toogeloo wrote:I'm kind of pissed off at the apathy here. Grey is the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and he hasn't even tried to help us. At least of of Kiwi and Bogre is town, and neither is really fighting for their life.

Well, honestly I was wanting to wait til the showdown Arena bit to drop this if it turned against me, cause I was hoping to carry it as far as I could since it was looking like the mafia was trying to keep me around until LYLO, and I thought that might tip the endgame for us.

Zmuffin got a tracker result on me not visiting on N6. So the only way for me to be scum is for me to have been the scum who didn't perform the night kill. I realized after IS died that it wasn't a total clear because of the two scum, but I still think it helps, because to believe I'm scum is to reconcile two scenarios together. Depends on if you like probabilities or not.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:22 pm

GreyICE has 24 hours from this post before he's replaced.

kiwieagle · Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:59 am

I dont think Bogre is scum, and I know im town.

Scum is either Toogelo or GI.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:30 pm

In post 1875, kiwieagle wrote:Theres probably 1 or 2 antitown left sooo

also:

scum: OS, GI
town: everyone else

In post 1948, kiwieagle wrote:I know im town.

And when im town and get attacked for retarded/forced reasons, I know that guy is scum.

VOTE: bogre

In post 1963, kiwieagle wrote:I dont think Bogre is scum, and I know im town.

Scum is either Toogelo or GI.

The only consistency in your reads is GI being scum. You have proclaimed everyone else scum at this point. Those last two quotes were your back to back last posts.

In post 1961, Bogre wrote:Zmuffin got a tracker result on me not visiting on N6. So the only way for me to be scum is for me to have been the scum who didn't perform the night kill. I realized after IS died that it wasn't a total clear because of the two scum, but I still think it helps, because to believe I'm scum is to reconcile two scenarios together. Depends on if you like probabilities or not.

While normally WIFOM would be a good way to state a rebuttal to this, this actually saves him.

Bogre is town. The Head Devourer is still alive, and he was tracked on Night 6 when the Head Devour took place. So unless he is a Ninja, he can't be the last mafia.

Oversoul · Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:17 pm

What the fuck Bogre. >_> We could actually put someone in the damn chamber that has a chance of being scum.

It would be kinda overpowered to have a Ninja, Janitor, Strongman, and Godfather all on the same team.

Bogre · Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:42 pm

In post 1965, Oversoul wrote:What the fuck Bogre. >_> We could actually put someone in the damn chamber that has a chance of being scum.

It would be kinda overpowered to have a Ninja, Janitor, Strongman, and Godfather all on the same team.

Like I said, was wagering the scum weren't going to figure that out, so I was trying to throw a wrench in their plans at endgame.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:38 am

Looking for a replacement for GreyICE.

Pine · Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:32 am

Hey, I'm replacing GI. DH is going to send me the Role PM when I get home.

Am I Town or scum?

Pine · Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:37 am

Just giving this page a quick skim, I see a reference in 1950 that answers the above. Have we considered the possibility of a fourth party? A six-man scumteam with that kind of power, plus a SK, kind of favors anti-Town. A second Serial Killer, or two scumteams, would feature the kind of crosskilling we've seen so far and rebalance the game.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:24 am

Pine is confirmed not to have any part of the Palisade hydra and therefore is replacing GreyICE.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:30 am

VOTE COUNT FOR KOMBATANTS

Day 9 Vote Count (#1)

kiwieagle (2) - Oversoul, Toogeloo

Not Voting (3) - Pine, kiwieagle, Bogre

Bogre is the first Kombatant!

With 5 voting, it takes 3 to choose a Kombatant! Deadline is Sunday, November 14th, 10:00 AM EDT.

Day 9's stage is: The Cathedral!

Pine · Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:31 am

Just got my role PM, and I can confirm now that I'm a Miller. I'll do a quick skim-through and post later.

Oversoul · Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:51 am

In post 1969, Pine wrote:Just giving this page a quick skim, I see a reference in 1950 that answers the above. Have we considered the possibility of a fourth party? A six-man scumteam with that kind of power, plus a SK, kind of favors anti-Town. A second Serial Killer, or two scumteams, would feature the kind of crosskilling we've seen so far and rebalance the game.

If your theory is correct, then we would be in LyLo. In my opinion, I feel like the last scum member is another gun, hence the reasoning for sending that person to kill everyone (other than the select kills like Strongman).

Bogre is basically confirmed to not be scum. In my opinion, the town list now looks like this

Town:
Oversoul
Bogre
GI
Toogeloo
Kiwieagle

I placed myself at the top since I know for a fact my alignment is town. I know this may make some of you nervous.

I am having a hard time believing that Kiwi is the final scum member, but with Bogre's revelation, if Kiwi were to go into the pit (well anyone really), they would be the lynch.

I read in the Dead QT of Brightest Day Mafia that Toogeloo fairs very poorly as mafia because he is so transparent. These are words from his own mouth. Does he really strike any of you as obvious scum?

Pine · Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:31 am

Actually, according to my theory, we're

not

in LyLo, and I don't see how you might've gotten that except by having additional information...which leads me to suspect you hard core. If we're dealing with a second SK, it's probably 4:1 right now. If we're dealing with a sixth, final scum, it's 4:1. If we're dealing with a sixth scum

and

a second SK, it's 3:1:1 and we're only in endgame if they both kill Town and miss each other. In fact, we're only in LyLo if there are two scum remaining, which brings me back to my original premise of your leap to LyLo being suspicious. I checked the role flips again, and Town has had some serious power this game. Makes sense, given the theme. So a seven-man team isn't as implausible as I thought.

Given these revelations, I'm sorely tempted to vote Oversoul right away, but I'm keenly aware of the gaps in my reading, as well as the numbers we're looking at if this does turn out to be LyLo. So for now, I'll leave it at

HoS: Oversoul

and get back to reading.