Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[Zang]

Zang: nope. i have reasons.
reason being she voted me for having no reason so im voting her with the reason being her voting without reasons is that reason enough?
and llama's part on her was awesome.

Ok, That's a good reason.

Yos, you should join the LLDwagon.

GreyICE is scummier and I don't want to get somebody at L-1 unless I'm sure that I want them lynched.

[Yosarian2]

Look at those scum wagon me. ^-^

So, you're really not going to explain yourself here?

[Yosarian2]

I know you're still here, Lady. I can see you looking at this game right now. Answer my question.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look at those scum wagon me. ^-^

So, you're really not going to explain yourself here?

You need an explanation here?

Look at the Wagon. Marble, CES, Andrius.

Marble is scum, I've been saying this since minute 1.

CES is null-townish, but I'm not talking about him.

Andrius is still scummy as fuck, but his claim is saving him.

2/3 of my main scum suspects today on my wagon, and you really need me to EXPLAIN MYSELF?

How about you explain this: Why is Andrius confirmed town?

Cut: Give me a second to type, jesus christ Yos/

[Yosarian2]

Andrius is still scummy as fuck, but his claim is saving him.

2/3 of my main scum suspects today on my wagon, and you really need me to EXPLAIN MYSELF?

How about you explain this: Why is Andrius confirmed town?

Cut: Give me a second to type, jesus christ Yos/

Andrius is confirmed town because the mod told us we have a protective role, and the setup makes no sense without a protective role, and he claimed protective role. When you're in an open game, and someone claims one of the roles that the mod told you is in the game, you pretty much just assume they are town until and unless someone else either claims doc or else dies and flips doc.

Anyway, what you have to explain is why you said you wanted to hammer Andreus *after* he claimed doc (even if it wasn't a semi-open game, townies still usually don't want to lynch claimed power roles on day 1), and even more so, why you suddenly turned and joined a huge wagon on me for no reason, after calling me town all game, just because I pointed out that Andreus is the closest thing we have to confirmed town and that your threat to hammer him made no sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But seriously Spy's sheeping Fate, GI is voting me for [?] Darox is [?]

and LLD has legit "reasons"

. And CES is [?] as well.
So yeah cool wagon guys.

"Reasons" being me (Doc) lamenting the Cop's fate.

predit: Whoops. Yeah, that is Hobbes. How'd I fuck that up? lol
Darox, I don't care if you're trying to be all CRYPTIC PR or some nonsense like that or WHATNOT.
Because I think you're scum REGARDLESS.

Zang: nope. i have reasons.

reason being she voted me for having no reason

so im voting her with the reason being her voting without reasons is that reason enough?
and llama's part on her was awesome.

DEM CONTRADICTIONS ANDRIUS. DEM CONTRADICTIONS.

[Yosarian2]

Or to be more clear, why you didn't unvote him after he claimed doc, which IMHO any pro-town person in their right mids should to do in that situation, but which scum have a HUGE reason to NOT want to do in that situation.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yos: Just because someone is a Doctor (and once Andrius went unCC'd, I leaned towards him being actually a Doc.

Here are some facts you are OVERLOOKING.

1) "At least" 1 doctor. Not ONLY, AT LEAST. Which means it's entirely to have a scum doctor.

2) The protective role that is confirmed in Zora's rules IS NOT CONFIRMED AS TOWN IN HIS RULES.

So, while this will let him live for today; he is NOT confirmed town, and he is STILL suspicious.

Also, I never asked for anyone to hammer him SO.

[Yosarian2]

Yos: Just because someone is a Doctor (and once Andrius went unCC'd, I leaned towards him being actually a Doc.

Ok. So if you were going to decide that he was town if he didn't get coutnerclaimed, then why didn't you unvote at least for a little while to wait and see if he was counterclaimed? You can always put your vote back on him later; on the other hand, if he is quicklynched (which looked REALLY likely for a while there) then you can't undo that.

Here are some facts you are OVERLOOKING.

1) "At least" 1 doctor. Not ONLY, AT LEAST. Which means it's entirely to have a scum doctor.

2) The protective role that is confirmed in Zora's rules IS NOT CONFIRMED AS TOWN IN HIS RULES.

I wouldn't consider a "scum doctor" to be "a protective role". I would be very surprised if the mod did. Also, like just explained, the mechanics of this setup makes basically no sense without at least one pro-town doctor, I would have assumed there was one even if the mod hadn't specifically told us.

Anyway, yes, at least one doctor. Which means that if there is no other doctor, then Andreus must be it. If there is another doctor, then he may or may not be a doctor.

So, while this will let him live for today; he is NOT confirmed town, and he is STILL suspicious.

He is pretty close to confirmed town at this point. He's the closest thing we have, certainly.

And you still haven't explained my other point, which was that you called me town all game, and then once Fate and GreyICE et all started wagoning me for no apparent reason, you joined them for no apparent reason, and you did so just because I pointed out that your Andreius vote was terrible.

[Yosarian2]

And, now she's gone, and she still hasn't really explained why she left Andreus at lynch -1 even after the doc claim or why she voted me, the two things that I wanted her to explain.

Vote:Lady Lambdadelta

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're eager to throw that vote down on me, Yos. Scared of something?

I can't be here every minute of the day on your beck and call. Chill the fuck out.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yos: Just because someone is a Doctor (and once Andrius went unCC'd, I leaned towards him being actually a Doc.

Ok. So if you were going to decide that he was town if he didn't get coutnerclaimed, then why didn't you unvote at least for a little while to wait and see if he was counterclaimed? You can always put your vote back on him later; on the other hand, if he is quicklynched (which looked REALLY likely for a while there) then you can't undo that.

Here are some facts you are OVERLOOKING.

1) "At least" 1 doctor. Not ONLY, AT LEAST. Which means it's entirely to have a scum doctor.

2) The protective role that is confirmed in Zora's rules IS NOT CONFIRMED AS TOWN IN HIS RULES.

I wouldn't consider a "scum doctor" to be "a protective role". I would be very surprised if the mod did. Also, like just explained, the mechanics of this setup makes basically no sense without at least one pro-town doctor, I would have assumed there was one even if the mod hadn't specifically told us.

Anyway, yes, at least one doctor. Which means that if there is no other doctor, then Andreus must be it. If there is another doctor, then he may or may not be a doctor.

So, while this will let him live for today; he is NOT confirmed town, and he is STILL suspicious.

He is pretty close to confirmed town at this point. He's the closest thing we have, certainly.

And you still haven't explained my other point, which was that you called me town all game, and then once Fate and GreyICE et all started wagoning me for no apparent reason, you joined them for no apparent reason, and you did so just because I pointed out that your Andreius vote was terrible.

I am voting you because of your warped stance on Andrius and this bullshit "confirmed town" argument.

I would almost certainly call Scum Doctor a "protective role".

If anyone quicklynched Andrius, and he flipped town, we'd have a good scum lead the next day.

[SpyreX]

This gets more words later but the leap from "there is a protective role" to "WE KNOW ANDRIUS IS A DOC" is somethin else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH LOOK, YOS IS GONE.

I GUESS THAT MEANS HE'S SCUM LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If anyone quicklynched Andrius, and he flipped town, we'd have a good scum lead the next day.

^scum making stuff up

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If anyone quicklynched Andrius, and he flipped town, we'd have a good scum lead the next day.

^scum making stuff up

^ Idiot player grasping at straws to substantiate his claims.

[Zang]

Anyway, yes, at least one doctor. Which means that if there is no other doctor, then Andreus must be it. If there is another doctor, then he may or may not be a doctor.

I agree with your case but a protective role doesn't have to be a doctor.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If anyone quicklynched Andrius, and he flipped town, we'd have a good scum lead the next day.

^scum making stuff up

^ Idiot player grasping at straws to substantiate his claims.

What claims?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, yes, at least one doctor. Which means that if there is no other doctor, then Andreus must be it. If there is another doctor, then he may or may not be a doctor.

I agree with your case but a protective role doesn't have to be a doctor.

Furthermore, THAT DOCTOR DOES NOT NEED TO BE TOWN.

@CES: You're calling me scum. What claims do you THINK?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

@CES: You're calling me scum. What claims do you THINK?

That's certainly one interpretation of my actions, but it's certainly not the only one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Then enlighten me on the others.

[Yosarian2]

You're eager to throw that vote down on me, Yos.

Eager? I was nice enough to give you a chance to respond before I voted for you, to give you a chance to convince me that you might be town. You failed to do so.

Furthermore, THAT DOCTOR DOES NOT NEED TO BE TOWN.

Why do you keep saying this while not responding to all the logical arguments I used to show that there must be a town protective role? Do you really still think you'll be able to mislynch the doc at some point in the future, or do you just not want to admit you're wrong at this point?

Anyway, yes, at least one doctor. Which means that if there is no other doctor, then Andreus must be it. If there is another doctor, then he may or may not be a doctor.

I agree with your case but a protective role doesn't have to be a doctor.

Sure. If it turns out there is some other protective role in the game (Bodyguard, jailkeeper, I donno, faith healer, who knows), then I'll stop considering Andreus 100% confirmed.

[Yosarian2]

I am voting you because of your warped stance on Andrius and this bullshit "confirmed town" argument.

Either he's town, or there's another town protective role in the game, and if so we'll find that out eventually. For the moment, it's logical to assume he's town.

I would almost certainly call Scum Doctor a "protective role".

...is this really the argument you're going with? Scum doctor, in a game with only one scum team, no SK, no third parties, and where we don't have any evidence of even a town vigilante? And no, "scum doctor" isn't a protective role, it's a scum role.

Look, let's make it simple.

Mod, when you said this:

You know this setup has: at least two investigative roles, at least one protective role, a single mafia team, no third parties, at least one town bulletproof (role PM below), and at least one Townie. All town roles will be roles familiar to an experienced player, though mechanically modified to fit the theme.

Could you clarify that the two investigate roles, the one protective role, the bulletproof, and the townie are all pro-town roles? Thank you.

If anyone quicklynched Andrius, and he flipped town, we'd have a good scum lead the next day.

Yes. You. For deliberately leaving him at lynch -1 after he claimed doc, in a setup where we know there's a doc, without even waiting to see if there's a counterclaim, apparently with the hope that someone would foolishly hammer him, you would be the most obvious scum lead in that hypothetical situation. Probably more so then the person who actually hammered him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Don't try and take the high ground here Yos. "Gave me a chance?" Bullshit. You were going to vote me regardless of what I said.

This whole exchange has basically solidified my scum read on you.

[Yosarian2]

Don't try and take the high ground here Yos. "Gave me a chance?" Bullshit. You were going to vote me regardless of what I said.

Of course I wasn't. If that was true, I would have voted for you last page. I had a town read on you earlier this game, and I actually was hoping you'd give me a reason to think you were town so I could lynch GreyICE or someone instead. But you still can't seem to give me a pro-town reason for why leaving the doc at lynch -1 could possibly be a pro-town move in a situation were you yourself said that you now believe him because he wasn't counterclaimed, so I have to conclude that you're probably scum.

This whole exchange has basically solidified my scum read on you.

Ok, so you don't like it when I question you, suspect you, or point out the holes in your logic. Fair enough, that's a pretty typical scum reaction.