Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Blackberry]

HIPLOP IS AT L-1

>_<

[hiplop]

idk what to say :\ im town

[ToastyToast]

@hiplop: Detailed Kast opinion nao plz

[Blackberry]

@hiplop: Detailed Kast opinion nao plz

[hiplop]

quite possibly scum, mainly by POE, btu vezok is more likely i think?

[Blackberry]

That is all your post?

This reads as: "I'm mafia, I don't think we'll win, I give up."

You're not even trying. How do you expect to convince anyone if you're not even f#cking trying? We're at LyLo and that is ALL you post.

WTF?

[tanstalas]

quite possibly scum, mainly by POE, btu vezok is more likely i think?

BY POE?!?!??!

Fuck this.

I want you to list everyone still in the game on a rating of 1 - 10 - 1 being scum, 1- being mafia.

And reasons why.

[Blackberry]

The fact he didn't do that originally and the fact he consistently is lurking but not posting should be evidence enough we're on the right track...

[Kast]

Me and BB are just as responsible as anyone else.

This is clearly false. If we lose because you guys ignore obv scum, it's your fault. The fact that you guys are ignoring the obvious scum (especially BB being hyper ADHD with his suspects) that got Muffin killed instead of BB or you. Muffin understood clearly that Vezok was mafia. Hell he was also right that Tans was the actual Vanillizer and Nikanor was non-mafia (though he was wrong since Nikanor was actually cult not town). If you make us lose by screwing up an easy/obvious/clear vote because you're still stubbornly holding on to your D1 suspects instead of looking at new evidence, THAT IS ALL ON YOU.

Andy flipped scum-blocker. We know cult had multiple starting members, but they dead. soo....now you think vezok is scum, when before you felt his role was highly plausible.

Plausible does not mean that is the only possibility. Since that claim we've learned that cult DID have their own blocker. We've learned that town had a powerful blocker who got even more powerful in Muffin. If Vezok is town, then it means Tans is town as well which means there's Toast, Tans, Vezok, Muffin ALL powerful town blocking powers. 2 town blocking powers is plausible. 4 is not. Add in LLD's redirection power and that's 5 blocking/redirection powers under the town belt. Not likely.

Again, changed your mind now.

Are you even READING my post? It clearly states that EITHER TANS IS THE VANILLIZER OR NIKANOR IS THE VANILLIZER. Nikanor flipped non-vanillizer that means Tans is the vanillizer.

Spoiler: You're posting this BS as your reasons Hiplop is scum and ignoring EVERYTHING I've posted about Vezok and all the back quotes links interactions, etc.? Everything you said about Hiplop applies even MORE SO to Vezok. You've been convinced Vezok is just idiot town and giving him a free pass on the VI card. Vezok playing a VI is normal for Vezok. Vezok playing a scummy VI is normal for Vezok scum.

What I think gives Hiplop the edge as scum is the fact that 1) He should have checked Tans, 2) His odd restrictions for his White Lantern Power

Not checking Tans is an idiot move. It's not a scummy move. Hiplop as scum has absolutely zero incentive to not check Tans.

This objection applies in droves to Vezok; his action use/choices are straight up scummy and anti-town.

Hiplop's ability restriction is a bit odd, but

it's not straight up inconsistent and he didn't change it when it got questioned like Vezok did

.

For one, he did very little scum-hunting, but a shit-ton of cult hunting.

Hiplop didn't do much cult or scum hunting.

Vezok did even less of both.

When I jailkept Ludi (although if we are to believe Oversoul, I went nowhere), he commented that the single kill suggests Ludi could be mafia. Unfortunately, I forget as I'm writing this why I thought that was interesting...

If this says anything, it says Hiplop probably isn't mafia. Btw, this was one of Hiplop's few attempts at any hunting and it's scum-hunting not cult hunting.

ANYWAYS, once cult is out of the way, he simply goes "mafia is in kast/tans/vezok"...which is basically his only option and doesn't make sense given the fact that he copped me.

He essentially said "the guy who I investigated is not mafia and BB is not mafia". How does that not make sense? Confirmation bias for the lose.

I also think scum with a fake cop would be more likely to claim an innocent than a guilty, because it gives no information.

You think it is likely that scum will claim a stupid investigation instead of trying to get a townie mislynched?

Claiming a guilty on someone would put us in a much different situation b/w himself and the target. so, again...why choose me?

Claiming a guilty on Tans wouldn't put us in any different a spot. It's clear that it's either Vezok and Tans as mafia together, OR it's some combination of Vezok/Kast/Hiplop. Tans/Kast or Tans/Hiplop doesn't work. If Hiplop wasn't an idiot and investigated Tans, then it would STILL be between Hiplop/Vezok, Tans/Vezok, or Hiplop/Kast. Not any bit different from now.

I don't think Vezok is godfather. I think Godfather was someone who I hadn't investigated yet, because I was not blocked nor killed, suggesting Mafia was completely fine with me investigating, suggesting I hadn't hit the Godfather yet because they wanted me to reveal an innocent on them (i.e., Kast).

That or they knew you were going to investigate Kast and give Tans/Vezok a free pass. Plus they knew Muffin was onto them (Muffin's suspect list was Vezok, Tans, & BB).

Also, given KJ's flip as non-mafia, we know mafia wasn't vanillizing TT to let KJ recruit. If they didn't care about BB's investigation, and they just wanted TT's power gone, they could have vanillized Muffin and killed TT instead. But they didn't.

For that matter, if you think Kast/Hiplop is mafia, then Hiplop has to be the vanillizer and Kast would have had to be the killer. But given ambiguity of Muffin's end of day statement, it would make tons more sense to vanilla Muffin and kill Toast, otherwise mafia risk losing their kill.

I concur with Toasty's theory that mafia would have at least ONE person being vocal/active/talkative.

Mafia HAD someone vocal. His name was Andy. He got lynched. Now we're trying to lynch his buddy. Well I'm trying to lynch his buddy. Dunno what you're actually trying to do.

[Kast]

Also consider N2 night actions. There was 3 mafia alive. Andy plus two more. There were AT LEAST 2 night actions used by mafia:
-Multi-shot Vanillize
-Mafia Kill

There was also potentially one more action:
-Andy's Roleblock

I was delayed by Vezok, so if Vezok is town and I am the GF, then I couldn't have done either the kill OR the Vanillize.

Claiming that it is Andy-Roleblock, Kast-GF, Hiplop-Vanillize would mean that we PREDICTED that Vezok would block Kast, so Andy CHOSE TO SKIP his roleblock in order to kill while Peregrine motivated Hiplop (someone he didn't trust). Andy ALSO took the gamble that Subliminal didn't take any actions and claimed a block on him; even though Subliminal had not claimed or hinted at anything other than being a PR with some kind of action.

[ToastyToast]

Muffin got killed because EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN. He was my only town read in this game for quite a while.
Kast, you're just being difficult. Don't antagonize me, its not helping.

I read vezok's ISO. I disagree with you.

Andy was obvscum since D1, and lurked like crazy. He didn't read the game and just said random shit.

Ugh, I'm in a bitchy mood I don't have time for this shit.

[Kast]

@TT-
Read #3659. Explain how night actions happened if Kast and Hiplop are mafia together.

[Blackberry]

I think it's clear it's either:

Hiplop/Kast, or Hiplop/Vezok

Kill Hiplop today.

We sort the rest out tomorrow.

We win.

^_^

...

What night actions do you want explained Kast?

Hiplop is vanillializer. Kast is mafia Godfather who kept me alive and unblocked so I would check him or something >_<.

[Blackberry]

Still thinking...

Lalala.

@Mod - If I was a mafia roleblocker, and the only mafia still remaining, would I be able to submit a roleblock AND a kill?

[Kast]

@BB-

Also consider N2 night actions. There was 3 mafia alive. Andy plus two more. There were AT LEAST 2 night actions used by mafia:
-Multi-shot Vanillize
-Mafia Kill

There was also potentially one more action:
-Andy's Roleblock

I was delayed by Vezok, so if Vezok is town and I am the GF, then I couldn't have done either the kill OR the Vanillize.

Claiming that it is Andy-Roleblock, Kast-GF, Hiplop-Vanillize would mean that we PREDICTED that Vezok would block Kast, so Andy CHOSE TO SKIP his roleblock in order to kill while Peregrine motivated Hiplop (someone he didn't trust). Andy ALSO took the gamble that Subliminal didn't take any actions and claimed a block on him; even though Subliminal had not claimed or hinted at anything other than being a PR with some kind of action.

You didn't explain why it can't be Kast/Vezok or why it can't be Vezok/Tans.

[Kast]

@BB-
In BNM, mafia were able to submit kill and their personal action if they were the last mafia remaining. I would guess it's the same here.

[Kast]

And for N4, why would I propose a plan that involves MUFFIN ROLEBLOCKING KAST and BB INVESTIGATING TANS, if Kast is Mafia GF and Hiplop is Mafia Vanillizer?

That would make any GF ability useless and would mean mafia loses either the Kill or the Vanillize.

[Blackberry]

Kast, explain the OS N1 block if Vezok is scum. Is Vezok a real delayer?

[Blackberry]

Also, if Vezok was scum faking a delay on a vanillilized role, why not select WLC/Mera instead? That would have made sense to fake. But instead he selected you, which makes *me* think he's being more honest.

[Kast]

@BB-
-So because you can't explain it you just pretend it didn't happen >_>?

Kast, explain the OS N1 block if Vezok is scum. Is Vezok a real delayer?

-There's lots of possibilities that we've already gone over.

--If Vezok/Tans is mafia, then Andy obviously didn't roleblock Tans and Vezok likely claimed Andy's block. Vezok's N3 target was a claimed Townie BP who was nigh confirmed at the time.
--We have no idea whether OS really got blocked. He claimed he did an "investigation" on CJ which is obviously a lie. He might have just lied to go along with Vezok*.

Also, if Vezok was scum faking a delay on a vanillilized role, why not select WLC/Mera instead?

-At the time Vezok claimed, we were trying to figure out whether my lack of investigation result was a result of the Vanillize ability. Vezok's claim effectively postponed that. Vezok claiming the Delay on me also made it clear that I wasn't the vanillizer, which directly added to the WLC mislynch since he claimed late.

But you'll have to explain why or how does it make any more sense to fake a delay on ONE unclaimed vanillized townie PR than to fake a delay on A DIFFERENT vanillized townie PR. Both cases he's claiming a scummy action and both point to him as a liar.

*-The thing is, Vezok isn't the brightest when it comes to fake claims. He'll can and does claim things that get him in trouble later (like his claimed Delay on me). When he's town, he often gets confused about things, but mistakes aren't the same as scummy actions or flat out lying/changing his story.

[Kast]

@BB-
I'm starting to suspect you don't actually read anything I post unless it's

BIG

or

BOLD

...

[The Book of Oa]

@Mod - If I was a mafia roleblocker, and the only mafia still remaining, would I be able to submit a roleblock AND a kill?

Yes.

[ToastyToast]

1) Cult wouldn't help scum
2) I don't even understand your argument for why the two of you can't be scum together, so...

oh, and easy answer:
who said scum can't use their night action and submit the kill?

[Blackberry]

I think killjoy was lying about the tracker fake claim because OS never mentioned it. I do think he was telling the truth about the BG thing and that's how he came up with the idea of saying Kast is lying too. I think it's completely possible to be vezok/hiplop as well but at this point hiplop has all but claimed mafia

Kast - explain to me why hiplop isn't doing shit at LYLO when he's about to get lynched.

[Blackberry]

idk what to say :\ im town

Town does not say this in LyLo-especially when we've come this far in a big game. Defeated scum say this.