Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[Yosarian2]

I fake guilties on people that need to die anyway, because they are an obstruction to town's win con.

Clearly my guilties are on scum, sometimes they are just not mafia.

Plus I had other scum in my sights but WALP here we go again saying TOO MUCH

This probably goes without saying, but if you lie about your role we're going to lynch you, so if you are town please don't do it. In later stages of the game, figuring out who is telling the truth and who is lying about the details of their claim is going to involve a lot of math and logic anyway, and the only way we'll even have a shot at it is if all the pro-town people tell the truth if and when they claim.

[Yosarian2]

I have a scumread on Zang for his obstructionist walls and general attitude.

As for power role fishing, yes. Fate is definitely a power role. The scum should definitely shoot him tonight. This is very pro scum and would help their team out a lot.

Also any vigs might shoot him too.

That wasn't even your first power role fishing attempt, either.

It's pretty fucking clear that the Lurconis wagon is due to a fucking softclaimed PR result.

We all know that there is exactally one surviving town info role. So speculating on if something may or may not be "a softclaimed result", and getting other people to speculate on it as well, is obviously pretty darn anti-town.

[Fate]

if I was a PR how would I fake a guilty on town

Hi I'm the town tracker

I tracked someone to the night kill

Lynch plox

Hi wouldn't I have actual results if I was a PR? I only fake shit as VT

[Fate]

I fake guilties on people that need to die anyway, because they are an obstruction to town's win con.

Clearly my guilties are on scum, sometimes they are just not mafia.

Plus I had other scum in my sights but WALP here we go again saying TOO MUCH

This probably goes without saying, but if you lie about your role we're going to lynch you, so if you are town please don't do it. In later stages of the game, figuring out who is telling the truth and who is lying about the details of their claim is going to involve a lot of math and logic anyway, and the only way we'll even have a shot at it is if all the pro-town people tell the truth if and when they claim.

No thx

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can Fate and Grey go compare dick sizes somewhere else? We're trying to play a game of mafia here, and ONCE AGAIN, you two are distracting from the ACTUAL SCUM.

[SpyreX]

I'd still like to know if you're scum, though. So could you explain the post where you pretty much said "Lol I'm p sure Lurconis is town and he seems to be heading towards a quicklynch but I'm going to keep voting him anyway because I looovvvvveee lynching townies, lynching townies is so sweet, also I don't think he's getting bussed since I think he's town so I want him to die, and now I'm going to do this little interpretative dance number I like to call "the many, many ways in which I love to kill townies".

See, if that's what I said then we wouldn't be where we are.

What I DID actually say is what I'm saying now: I think Sera is town. I like what Sera has to say. However, my gut reaction is that Luc is going to flip town. That gut read isn't OHH SNAP TOWN because I'll hold the wolves off a pants on head actual town read forever. This isn't that. Just a hunch.

Much like how, in that same post, I've got that hunch that you're scum. Its not quantifiable yet for a couple of reasons (not least of which is brbaby).

So, for now? I'll see if I'm wrong because if I am that's tech. I'll give Fate my power vote.

And, I'll read up when I can chillax some.

[GreyICE]

Can Fate and Grey go compare dick sizes somewhere else? We're trying to play a game of mafia here, and ONCE AGAIN, you two are distracting from the ACTUAL SCUM.

I'm trying to.

The problem is he's compensates for his 2" with noise levels.

Also he is an excellent shot for scum tonight.

[Lurconis]

We all know that there is exactally one surviving town info role. So speculating on if something may or may not be "a softclaimed result", and getting other people to speculate on it as well, is obviously pretty darn anti-town.

While I agree PR speculation is scummy we don't know for sure how many info roles are left

Setup Composition:

You know this setup has: at least two investigative roles

As for why I think CES is scum. He is continuing to sheep Sereph without adding to the case he is attempting to aid the mislynch with fluff posts.

His posts addressing me after his vote were

CONFESS!

If you believe seraph was soft claiming why didn't he do it in his first post?

Did you just go back and examine whether it made sense as a soft claim?

Please don't undermine the case against Lurc by posting such silliness, GreyICE.

People should get back on the Lurcwagon.

Seraphim knows what's what.

Better question, Zang: how are they at all similar?

Zang, the reason they are utterly different in my mind is that Yos2 knows me and is an experienced player. His vote is boring stuff. Lurc doesn't know me; it's pretty darn likely that his vote was influenced by happenings in-thread. That's what opens it up to analysis.

Fate, you should get on Lurcscum. Trust me on this one.

I caught Lurc.

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

Why would there be a relation between the two?

With the exception of post 132 he doesn't even try to add to the case. His only addition is that my RVS on him was scummier than yos's because I don't know CES, which is weak reasoning.

I don't see how yos could look at his posts and honestly think

He voted, questioned, and tried to pressure Lurc. Then he questioned Zang, based on Zang's defence of Lurc.

His only question to me was a misrep of what I was asking GreyIce.

I find fluffing a mislynch bandwagon to be scummy.

As for other reads:.

Town:
Seraphim - As said before doubt scum would push a mislynch so hard so soon on day 1

Nulltown:
Yos
Grey Ice
Both seem to be genuinely trying to find scum.

Null:
Andrius
Fate
Zang
Spyrex

I have somewhat gut feels on most of these as town but not strong enough to push them past null. Nothing in their posts struck me as particularly towny or scummy.

Darox
LLD

I have slight town read on LLD and slight scum read on Darox however I don't trust my reads on either based off failing on reading both when following other games with them in it.

Prob Scum:
LLamarble
His votehopping with lack of reasoning strikes me as scummy. The NK speculation I read as more null than scummy.

Scum:
CES - see above

[Fate]

Well that was fun

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

SPYREX OBEY YOUR BLOOD CONTRACT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well that was fun

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

SPYREX OBEY YOUR BLOOD CONTRACT

I can support this.

Vote: Andrius

[SpyreX]

THE CONTRACT WILL BE FULFILLED

Unvote, Vote: Andrius

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Andrius

[Darox]

Not feeling it guys.

Where is the spark, where is the blood?

[zoraster]

Day 1

Andrius ( 4 ) Fate, Lady Lambdadelta, SpyreX, Cogito Ergo Sum,

(L - 3 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 1 ) Lurconis,

(L - 6 )

Darox ( 1 ) Andrius,

(L - 6 )

GreyICE ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Lady Lambdadelta ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

LLamarble ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Lurconis ( 2 ) Seraphim, Darox,

(L - 5 )

Fate ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Seraphim ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

SpyreX ( 1 ) Yosarian2,

(L - 6 )

Yosarian2 ( 2 ) LLamarble, GreyICE,

(L - 5 )

Zang ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) Zang,
Total Votes ( 12 )
Needed to Lynch [ 7 ]


Deadline: 11:00am EDT on Friday, October 14th

[Seraphim]

This lurc wagon is still way better unless we're talking about secret meta. If there's secret meta, I want to hear the secret meta.

[Fate]

I have secret meta that Lurc is town and this was all just a huge show put on by Andrius' scumbuddies while he plotted nefarious schemes backstage.

[Fate]

oops well not secret anymore.

This lurc wagon is still way better unless we're talking about secret meta. If there's secret meta, I want to hear the secret meta.

(you're alone on the Lurc wagon, I mean literally the only person left there is Darox who never cared enough to be on there in the first place really.

Doesn't that tell you something?)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

This lurc wagon is still way better unless we're talking about secret meta. If there's secret meta, I want to hear the secret meta.

The secret meta was inside of you all along.

[GreyICE]

I have a scumread on Zang for his obstructionist walls and general attitude.

As for power role fishing, yes. Fate is definitely a power role. The scum should definitely shoot him tonight. This is very pro scum and would help their team out a lot.

Also any vigs might shoot him too.

That wasn't even your first power role fishing attempt, either.

It's pretty fucking clear that the Lurconis wagon is due to a fucking softclaimed PR result.

We all know that there is exactally one surviving town info role. So speculating on if something may or may not be "a softclaimed result", and getting other people to speculate on it as well, is obviously pretty darn anti-town.

We know this how?

Setup Composition:
You know this setup has:

at least

two investigative roles,

at least

one protective role, a single mafia team, no third parties,

at least

one town bulletproof (role PM below), and

at least

one Townie. All town roles will be roles familiar to an experienced player, though mechanically modified to fit the theme.

I will guarantee you, through long experience with moderator phrasing, that at least one of those "at leasts" is a red herring and there is more copies of that role than are stated (besides the obvious one, Townie).


Andrius wagon... hmmm...

OH NO FATE I'M BUSSING

Vote: Andrius

[Fate]

BOUT FUCKIN TIME

[GreyICE]

WELL SORRY I THOUGHT I COULD STALL UNTIL HE POSTED SOMETHING BUT HIS LURKING HAS DEFEATED MY CAPACITY TO START RANDOM ARGUMENTS WITH YOU.

I CAN'T HELP IT, I JUST HAVE TO BUS THIS DERP.

[Fate]

BUT YOU WERE SO MUCH SCUMMIER WHEN YOU KEPT CALLING FOR MY POLICY LYNCH AND VIG COME ON GREY GET BACK TO BEING THE SCUMFUCK YOU WERE

[Fate]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 5&sr=posts

Never fails

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[Zang]

Yes. Not a rock-solid scum read, but at this point, 8 pages in, that's the strongest scum read I have. Also, the best way to get more data here is probably to apply some pressure and see what happens.

I disagree but I understand.

I caught Lurc.

No, you did not catch lurc it is impossible to catch anybody until they are lynched and flip scum so until then, you assuming that you caught him is very scummy and not true.

Let's lynch GreyIce once this Lurc thing resolves.

Mhmm.

What TOWN motivation could there be to point out that "Fate's a PR" ???

Wtf is this shit

throw him in the furnace

Where in that quote does Darox mention you being a PR?

I have a scumread on Zang for his obstructionist walls and general attitude.

That has nothing to do with my alignment though. I am like this in every game so how would that make me scum?

Well that was fun

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

SPYREX OBEY YOUR BLOOD CONTRACT

I can support this.

Vote: Andrius

THE CONTRACT WILL BE FULFILLED

Unvote, Vote: Andrius

Unvote, vote: Andrius

Why did everybody suddenly start voting for andrius?

[GreyICE]

^^

HEY FATE

HE STILL TOWN?