Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

189 is an excellent reason to vote for someone, as it basically boils down to 'meh, Darox is acting too scummy to actually be scum because the wagon is evaporating.'

Yosarian, on day 3 if he is still playing this way would your read stand?

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

And what scumhunting, pray tell, has CES done in this game?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I caught Lurc.

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

Why would there be a relation between the two?

[zoraster]

Day 1

Andrius ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 1 ) Lurconis,

(L - 6 )

Darox ( 1 ) Andrius,

(L - 6 )

GreyICE ( 1 ) Fate,

(L - 6 )

Lady Lambdadelta ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

LLamarble ( 1 ) Lady Lambdadelta,

(L - 6 )

Lurconis ( 4 ) Seraphim, Cogito Ergo Sum, SpyreX, Darox,

(L - 3 )

Fate ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Seraphim ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

SpyreX ( 1 ) Yosarian2,

(L - 6 )

Yosarian2 ( 2 ) LLamarble, GreyICE,

(L - 5 )

Zang ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) Zang,
Total Votes ( 12 )
Needed to Lynch [ 7 ]


Deadline: 11:00am EDT on Friday, October 14th

Please include your votes on a new line, please. I don't promise to count them if they aren't.

[GreyICE]

I caught Lurc.

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

Why would there be a relation between the two?

Why would scum prefer to defend bad players and push suspicion on good ones?

1) Their buddies are in the former list
2) Which do they want alive in LyLo?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

1) is unsubstantiated at this point in time.
2) requires a level of explicit scum motivation that I wouldn't expect scum to insert into their play.

[Yosarian2]

189 is an excellent reason to vote for someone, as it basically boils down to 'meh, Darox is acting too scummy to actually be scum because the wagon is evaporating.'

When did I say Darox is acting too scummy to be scum? That sentence only makes sense if you think that pushing bandwagons on day 1 is a scum tell.

Yosarian, on day 3 if he is still playing this way would your read stand?

On day 3, I would expect people to have somewhat more evidence behind their votes, sure. Today, he voted you at a point you were acting anti-town, and then dropped that vote to join a fairly reasonable bandwagon. None of that looks at all scummy to me, and in fact, it looks to me like he's more interested in hunting scum then in defending himself.

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

Not many of my reads are very solid at this point. Of course, it is fairly early on day 1.

And what scumhunting, pray tell, has CES done in this game?

He voted, questioned, and tried to pressure Lurc. Then he questioned Zang, based on Zang's defence of Lurc.

This is all pretty null, as is the early aggressive voting.

[GreyICE]

Oh? You don't see the advantage of defending weak players who are generally doing nothing, and casting doubt on the strong players when the other strong players are pushing said weak players?

It's worked very, very well in the past.

Also did you just fucking type 'I don't expect scum to act with scum motivation when they post?'

[Yosarian2]

I caught Lurc.

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

Why would there be a relation between the two?

Why would scum prefer to defend bad players and push suspicion on good ones?

1) Their buddies are in the former list
2) Which do they want alive in LyLo?

Both of those points are quite silly, you know.

The first one is just terrible; "You seem sure X is town, and you seem less sure Y is town, so you must be scum with player Y". What?

The second one is even less logical. Do you think scum pick fights with all the "better players" in the town on day 1 in order to lynch them all with the hopes of getting into lynch or lose with the "worse players"? That makes zero sense. If anything, I'd expect the scum to buddy up to the better/more influential players during the day and then nightkill them later if they become a threat, rather then deliberately going for the; I donno, "hard lynch" from the start of day 1.

[Yosarian2]

Oh? You don't see the advantage of defending weak players who are generally doing nothing, and casting doubt on the strong players when the other strong players are pushing said weak players?

The player I cast doubt upon WERE the players who had basically done nothing pro-town yet this game at the time of my post. That would be you, SpyreX, and Lurconis. SpyreX is a strong player, Lurconious seems to be a weak player; I've only played with you once, I think, but my general impression is that you are somewhere in between.

Are you saying that when a strong player fails to act in a pro-town way, I should ignore it, and go after weaker players instead?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also did you just fucking type 'I don't expect scum to act with scum motivation when they post?'

Nope!

[Darox]

Let's lynch GreyIce once this Lurc thing resolves.

[Fate]

Let's lynch GreyIce once this Lurc thing resolves.

Mhmm.

What TOWN motivation could there be to point out that "Fate's a PR" ???

Wtf is this shit

throw him in the furnace

[Yosarian2]

Let's lynch GreyIce once this Lurc thing resolves.

See? Told you Darox was town.

[SpyreX]

That is the most articulated worst vote on me in my entire history of mafia Yos.

Its to be commended.

HOWEVER since this game is in the early fueling phases and I'm still brbbaby I'm CONCOCTING MASTER PLAN ALPHA:

SHEEP FATE MODE INITIALIZED.

Additionally Fate is town (or, in the left field teehee scum with GI but I really doubt that).

So quit screwin around with your doublevote and get to business Fate

[Seraphim]

Calling it now: Lurc/Yos/possibly GreyICE scumteam

[Fate]

in the left field teehee scum with GI but I really doubt that

Oh god no please don't. The nightmares I'll have after this horrible image has been implanted on my brain screens

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE SPYREX

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

Oh you're sheeping me?

Best be PRODUCTIVE THEN

Unvote:
VOTE: Lurcsomethingorother

(oh noes fate broke his PR LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH)

[GreyICE]

Let's lynch GreyIce once this Lurc thing resolves.

Mhmm.

What TOWN motivation could there be to point out that "Fate's a PR" ???

Wtf is this shit

throw him in the furnace

Maybe the scum believe me

Then they shoot you

Then you won't fakeclaim guilties on town

This is protown.

[Fate]

if I was a PR how would I fake a guilty on town

[Fate]

I fake guilties on people that need to die anyway, because they are an obstruction to town's win con.

Clearly my guilties are on scum, sometimes they are just not mafia.

Plus I had other scum in my sights but WALP here we go again saying TOO MUCH

[GreyICE]

Oh? You don't see the advantage of defending weak players who are generally doing nothing, and casting doubt on the strong players when the other strong players are pushing said weak players?

The player I cast doubt upon WERE the players who had basically done nothing pro-town yet this game at the time of my post. That would be you, SpyreX, and Lurconis. SpyreX is a strong player, Lurconious seems to be a weak player; I've only played with you once, I think, but my general impression is that you are somewhere in between.

Are you saying that when a strong player fails to act in a pro-town way, I should ignore it, and go after weaker players instead?

Andrius

Mostly null; he gets some town points for some reasonable looking scumhunting.

Fate Magister Ludi

I think I've played 4 or 5 games with Fate now, and I still don't know how to read him. That being said, I don't have any specific problems with his posts thus far. Going to put him in the null to townish range for now.

Cogito Ergo Sum

No problems with his play thus far. He can fake scumhunting quite well as scum, though. Null-ish.

Spyrex being paranoid about me and not knowing why is probably null for him. On the other hand, "I think the person I'm voting for is town but I'm going to stay on this bandwagon (the biggest one in the game)" does not make any sense to me at all. If you think a bandwagon is probably bad, you stay the hell off if it and find a better bandwagon. All that weirdness about "I'm sticking with this wagon because don't think Serephem is bussing" doesn't make any sense, either; if you thought Serephem WAS bussing, then that'd be a GREAT reason to sheep on him. When the scum want to bus each other, what you do is you fuel up the bus, give it a tune-up, put a huge V-8 engine in that baby and hand them the keys with a smile. Ok, that analogy got a little werid, but you get my drift. "I'm going to follow this bad wagon because I don't think it's one scum bussing another" just seems so anti-town I can't wrap my head around it.

The rest of his posting is pretty thin. The one where he declares that Darox and GreyIce are both town actually does make sense to me, but Spyrex doesn't come off well here in general.

Conclusion: scummy-ish, want more data.

LLamarble

Probably town-ish. Nightkill speculation is of course unreliable as hell, but it's a perfectly valid reason to place a day 1 vote, even when it's wrong. I also feel better about him now that he cleared up that his "secret scumtell" on me was that he didn't like the way I was going after Darox.

Seraphim

Thinking he's probably town. His charge against Lurconis is just so ludicrously over-the-top to an almost silly degree on such thin evidence. I don't really see a scum coming out of the gate with a move like that, although it is possible.

So much waffle language going on here.

[GreyICE]

if I was a PR how would I fake a guilty on town

Hi I'm the town tracker

I tracked someone to the night kill

Lynch plox

[Yosarian2]

That is the most articulated worst vote on me in my entire history of mafia Yos.

Its to be commended.

Lol. That is a great line.

I'd still like to know if you're scum, though. So could you explain the post where you pretty much said "Lol I'm p sure Lurconis is town and he seems to be heading towards a quicklynch but I'm going to keep voting him anyway because I looovvvvveee lynching townies, lynching townies is so sweet, also I don't think he's getting bussed since I think he's town so I want him to die, and now I'm going to do this little interpretative dance number I like to call "the many, many ways in which I love to kill townies".

(Ok, that's not so much a "quote" from your post as it a re-interpretation of it, but I think the general gist of it is there).

[GreyICE]

I fake guilties on people that need to die anyway, because they are an obstruction to town's win con.

Clearly my guilties are on scum, sometimes they are just not mafia.

Plus I had other scum in my sights but WALP here we go again saying TOO MUCH

I'm a day cop.

Fate is scum.

Lynch please.

[Yosarian2]

So much waffle language going on here.

Yes, thank you for quoting my whole post and pointing out, again, that none of my reads are very strong ON PAGE 8 OF THE GAME. Apparently I can't read two random votes and one real post by someone and instantly know their alignment with 100% certainty.

Never mind that you apparently didn't have any reads at ALL at this point of the game, and your only "contribution" was power role fishing and an attempted policy lynch of someone you seemed to have no read on at all.

[GreyICE]

I have a scumread on Zang for his obstructionist walls and general attitude.

As for power role fishing, yes. Fate is definitely a power role. The scum should definitely shoot him tonight. This is very pro scum and would help their team out a lot.

Also any vigs might shoot him too.