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Post Post #3075 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:27 am

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@Vezok-
OS is probably backup CR with Ludi. Please move your vote and help us lynch Ludi.

@Tans-
Just so it doesn't get lost again.
Please clarify if you actually suspect Ludi as CR or not, and if you do suspect him, then move your vote accordingly.
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Post Post #3076 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:42 am

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Oh look at Kast flailing trying to excite a lynch.

Kast, lynching a recruit is not the way to go, which is why I want to lynch his recruiter (Nikanor).

Vezok, please don't be illogical by listening to scum Kast he is going after an arm when he should be going after the head.

And I forgot about Tans. O_o He should be added to my town (don't fucking touch these people) list. I am as confident with Kast, Andrius, Hiplop scumteam as I am with a Nikanor CR.

Nikanor is MIA completely from this day. He is lurking up a shitstorm. Ludi is trying to save his CR by diffusing the suspicion elsewhere (onto Hiplop and Toasty).

zMuffinMan isn't scum because zMuffinMan is the only one of the WL I can confidently say is acting like town. And yes Hiplop, I did read your post. You said that there was nothing to dissuade you from thinking that the WLs were all unrecruitable when a WL already flipped recruit, and the other 2 did not have (Uncultable/Unrecruitable) in their role names. You slipped. Now try to look town by voting Nikanor.
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Post Post #3077 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:50 am

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@OS-
To be clear, you are now ignoring all pretense and just going for flat out protecting your CR. It's funny how you stopped trying to buddy me as soon as I pointed it out.

Also to be clear, you are completely abandoning your prior position now that Ludi is actually in danger of lynch.
Probably going to go with Andrius targetted Ludi and violated his own plan of action which makes absolutely no sense because Andrius supported Ludi yesterday. I think we just found the CR and his recruit, guys.
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Post Post #3078 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:30 am

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In post 3076, Oversoul wrote:Oh look at Kast flailing trying to excite a lynch.

Kast, lynching a recruit is not the way to go, which is why I want to lynch his recruiter (Nikanor).

Vezok, please don't be illogical by listening to scum Kast he is going after an arm when he should be going after the head.

And I forgot about Tans. O_o He should be added to my town (don't fucking touch these people) list. I am as confident with Kast, Andrius, Hiplop scumteam as I am with a Nikanor CR.

Nikanor is MIA completely from this day. He is lurking up a shitstorm. Ludi is trying to save his CR by diffusing the suspicion elsewhere (onto Hiplop and Toasty).

zMuffinMan isn't scum because zMuffinMan is the only one of the WL I can confidently say is acting like town. And yes Hiplop, I did read your post. You said that there was nothing to dissuade you from thinking that the WLs were all unrecruitable when a WL already flipped recruit, and the other 2 did not have (Uncultable/Unrecruitable) in their role names. You slipped. Now try to look town by voting Nikanor.

dumbass. I was explaining my thought process from when I said that. Go to school.
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Post Post #3079 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:32 am

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I'll in an hour or 2 to you Kast and why you calling me cult makes no sense, but I have to go now.

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Post Post #3080 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:33 am

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ebwop: grammar fail completely. what i get for trying to type while rushing out the door

I'll respond to you in an hour blahblah
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Post Post #3081 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:13 am

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In post 3059, Magister Ludi wrote:Fuck yeah with andrius we might get some sanity in this thread.


Its stuff like this that makes Ludi obv anti-town. Maybe the obvscum will bring a little sanity in the thread because Magister Ludi, the CR, doesn't know how to fake CR hunt.
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Post Post #3082 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:17 am

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Magister Ludi wrote:Toasty has lied multiple times and is voting someone he apparently is confirming can't be the Cult recruiter.


Because nothing that happened to me can be explained through the truth. right. I've already explained the many different things that could've happened, and you are choosing to ignore these options in order to mislynch me. Its quite obvious.
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Post Post #3083 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:19 am

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In post 3079, Oversoul wrote:I'll in an hour or 2 to you Kast and why you calling me cult makes no sense, but I have to go now.

pedit:

ITT scum team of Hiplop, Kast, and Andrius scumteam try to rule the town. Nikanor CR lurks and Ludi cultee tries desperately to not die.


dude, if you think ludi is cult, hes the Recruiter.

CR recruits minus last nights are dead, Ludi was definitely anti-town yesterday, so hes the recruiter.
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Post Post #3084 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:20 am

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KDUB literally placed a vote down without looking or caring how close I was to lynch. If not for the andrius unvote, I would have been lynched. This is not how a cult recruit plays if his cult recruiter is close to lynching. This makes it very obvious I can not and never was cult recruiter.
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Post Post #3085 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:22 am

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Unless you planned it that way.
Unless he wasn't paying attention, you know, given that he wasn't the most involved of players anyway.
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Post Post #3086 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:26 am

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So you're assuming we have daytalk (planning in the middle of the day, actually, hello slip because I didn't know cult had daytalk), and that I wouldn't alert him to the fact that I was at very low lynch number, so he could put a potential hammering vote on myself?

You know how stupid you sound with that idea?
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Post Post #3087 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:42 am

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I never said anything about day talk. I said you planned it.
Ppl do stupid things all the time, its not like Kdub isn't an exception.
So you're assuming that cult recuits can under no circumstances flip as cult unless they were culted during a prior night phase? So you're assuming that cult start with no members?

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Post Post #3088 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:48 am

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Yes, cult recruits can, under no circumstance, flip cult unless they were recruited during a prior night phase.

Go read the rules. Ask the mods. Go to the wiki. Stop spewing crap. I'm not going to let this point go until you acknowledge that I am right.

How many members do you think cult started with brah?
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Post Post #3089 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:48 am

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Kill comes before recruit. SO many times this has been said.
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Post Post #3090 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:04 pm

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The point I'm trying to make is that you aren't considering anything other than your own opinion.

For example, you immediately assume that I am lying about what happened when there are other solutions.
Not only that, you then continue to say that there is NO WAY you can be CR because "insert incredibly subjective argument that is actually just a load of WIFOM here."

So, you are being way too narrow minded and not applying your attacks to yourself.
If I am obv-lying for saying that I was roleblocked, then you are obv-lying for saying that there is no way you can be a CR.
You are one of the few people who CAN be a CR, stop trying to use subjective actions and cultee behavior to call yourself cleared.

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Post Post #3091 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:13 pm

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I think ludi has a good chance at flipping cr but I want to be sure because I want to kill kast as our second lynch because I think he its the vanniliazer and even if I don't get my powers back at least I can get revenge
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Post Post #3092 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:22 pm

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Toasty, we're not trying to hit mafia with the first lynch here, if so we would have quicklynched kast a while back. Mafia may very well almost be at lynch or lose, because they have three members.

TOASTY, you are obviously lying to have said you roleblocked me last night when Oversoul says you didn't.

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Tans, no, don't buy into the bullshit. You could see how easily yesterday they wagoned me and everyone else. That is not the hallmark of a cult recruiter lynch. Help me lynch toasty, or hiplop.
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Post Post #3093 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:42 pm

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In post 3077, Kast wrote:@OS-
To be clear, you are now ignoring all pretense and just going for flat out protecting your CR. It's funny how you stopped trying to buddy me as soon as I pointed it out.

Also to be clear, you are completely abandoning your prior position now that Ludi is actually in danger of lynch.
Probably going to go with Andrius targetted Ludi and violated his own plan of action which makes absolutely no sense because Andrius supported Ludi yesterday. I think we just found the CR and his recruit, guys.


You do realize I said that Andrius would be the CR right and that Ludi is the recruit? I was overzealous about Andrius being the CR after outting him and his crap reason and forgot that he targetted Tans and we have recruits flipped/blahblah.

More like I stopped buddying you and you are now pushing me.

You make no sense. You are appealing to the town members of the town because you know your case is wrong. I bet you are going after Ludi so that when he does flip recruited you can say oh well I guess OS was right and lynch Andrius who is mafia to try and get major town credit. I can't be the CR or the CR backup because I have results. Why would Andrius claim if he didn't believe me? Oh right. Because I am telling the truth. My track on Toasty that mysteriously solved why Andrius didn't roleblock who he claimed he would? Why would I have done that? I have no reason to lie about my track result on Toasty as everyone knew based off Andrius's plan (so he can move the nightkill around the roleblockers) that Toasty would target Ludi. As cult it would have been safer to claim that I did track Toasty to Ludi as there would be no suspicion around me .


You're just trying to discredit me in an effort to push through your bogus setup lynches. I could give a whole bunch of half baked reasons why you are mafia (Berry said some of them already), but I would probably be called cult or scum for it by you. '.'

And if I was the CR backup and Ludi is my CR why wouldn't I buss the shit out of Ludi especially after yesterday?
If I was regular recruitee why wouldn't I be joining Ludi on the Toasty wagon especially with a claim that could have damned him?

Halfbaked ideas:

Kast does not want to lynch Nikanor because that would directly implicate Hiplop and shred Mafia's last chance at winning the game. THe problem? White Lanterns.

Due to the duality of the roles in this game Hiplop is likely the Dayvig, Andrius is likely the scumroleblocker, and Kast is likely the scumtracker or the vanillalizer (leaning towards the latter). Problems? Outguessing the mod, balance issues, etc.

Kast's claim of Jade Andy Tans is odd because he investigated Tans to Andy yet listed Andy first. Normally it would be the other way around and I think he reversed it so as to cut ties when scum Andy flips scum. Problems? My word against his, Tans could be potential scum (unlikely)

Peregrine targetting Kast (like Blackberry said) is entirely a smart move on Peregrine's part as tracker is the best way to find CR and that is why he is likely the vanillalizer. Problems, duality proposition might be wrong, we don't know for sure, guessing at moves, etc.

Hiplop stating that this game is flavor over balance is incredibly weak. I won't reveal why I think zMuffin and Subliminal claimed unrecruitable, but I am pretty sure Hiplop is just piggy backing off their claim in order to gain more town cred. Problems? White Lantern, gotta check with zMuffin first, clarifying is risky until the CR is dead, etc.

Andrius coordinating the night actions is a nice way for his mafia members to move their actions around in order to be effective. Problems? assuming things and outguessing the mod

Nikanor as CR was given WL fakeclaim in order to balance, given strongman recruit (major assumption and not likely), perhaps has day recruit (again major assumption). HIs claim and actions fit CR perfectly though? Problems? Toasty has claimed to have blocked him the first night, and Toasty isn't lieing about his ability

Pedit half baked ideas:

Scum have 6 members. 3 red and 3 yellow. We already have Atrocitus, and 2 yellow, but no Sinestro. Sinestro is going to be in this game. Vanillalizer (paralyzing fear) makes sense for Sinestro (Kast *was* yellow mafia last game, and Tans was given the same role he had, so not entirely inconceivable), plus the other 2 Red scum members. Problems? major flavor guessing and outguessing the mod

Tans, if everything goes to plan, Kast can wait until tomorrow. Nikanor and Ludi, the CR and the Cultee can die today. We have enough protown blocking roles to neutralize anything funny that Andrius, Hiplop, and Kast scumteam want to do.

pedit: FFS Ludi give it a rest. You are cult. At least be useful to town and vote Nikanor. Toasty is not the cult. Hiplop is the mafia. Lynch Nikanor

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Post Post #3094 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:44 pm

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i think nik is CR, and ludi is backup, or something like that; neither can be recruit.
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Post Post #3095 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:53 pm

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Why aren't you voting Nikanor then?
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Post Post #3096 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:54 pm

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@Ludi-
Using large font doesn't make your lie any more true.

Kdub EXPLICITLY states that he just finished reading the recent pages IN THE EXACT SAME POST where he votes. Further IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING his vote he states he will check back in later. OBVIOUSLY he knew it wasn't a hammer.

To be clear THIS is the BS you keep claiming:
Ludi's Assumption: A cult recruit would NEVER place a hammer vote on his cult recruiter
-Kdub placed a hammer vote on Ludi (or for whatever reason Ludi is convinced that Kdub thought his vote was a hammer)
-Kdub is a confirmed cult recruit
>>Kdub cannot be Ludi's cult recruit

The reason it is BS is:
-Kdub did NOT place a hammer vote on his cult recruiter
-Kdub KNEW it was not a hammer vote and SAID SO

Ludi wrote:So you're assuming we have daytalk (planning in the middle of the day, actually, hello slip because I didn't know cult had daytalk), and that I wouldn't alert him to the fact that I was at very low lynch number, so he could put a potential hammering vote on myself?
Ludi, you did the day talk IN THREAD. You and Kdub both knew you were at L-1 and you got upset and
TOLD HIM TO MOVE HIS L-1 VOTE
. Then your recruit listened to his boss and
MOVED HIS VOTE
while at the same time
STATING THAT YOU ARE STILL HIS LYNCH CHOICE AND HE INTENDS TO REVOTE
.
In post 2600, Kdub wrote:VOTE: Magister Ludi

I'll be back later tonight.
In post 2614, Magister Ludi wrote:
I am at L-1
In post 2616, Magister Ludi wrote:Kdub, unvote, please.
In post 2632, Kdub wrote:UNVOTE:

We still have time and we should try to figure out a plan. Once we do, I'll put my vote back on unless an argument for a better lynch candidate surfaces.


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Spoiler: Revisionist defenses are so annoying.
How about playing with what is ACTUALLY POSTED instead looking at things out of context and pretending you just "made a mistake".
That means either Andrius targetted Ludi or Ludi is lieing about being roleblocked.

Probably going to go with Andrius targetted Ludi and violated his own plan of action which makes absolutely no sense because Andrius supported Ludi yesterday. I think we just found the CR and his recruit, guys.
You very clearly understood that Andy is a roleblocker and thus is NOT the CR. You offered two possibilities, one being Andy blocked Ludi or Ludi is lying. You state that you
WOULD
believe Andy blocked Ludi
EXCEPT THAT
it goes against Andy's behavior which means the latter; Ludi is lying and thus Andy's claim to block Ludi is a result of him being recruited. Your revisionist claim that "Oh I forgot Andy is a roleblocker" is BS since IN THE EXACT SAME POST you discuss Andy as a roleblocker.
More like I stopped buddying you and you are now pushing me.
Check your isos again. I've pushed you as backup CR since our confirmed townie revealed info from his ROLE PM that said YOU ARE A BLACK LANTERN. You tried buddying to get me to drop it and I called you on it. You only "stopped buddying" AFTER I explicitly stated that your buddying is scummy; at which point you joined Ludi's OMGUS and claimed Kast is suddenly rising in your suspicion.

I've been going after Ludi since yesterday; notice who was pushing for Ludi's lynch and against Subliminal's lynch yesterday (hint it was Subliminal, Kast, and Muffin, the three townies who are actually trying to figure things out instead of playing by emotions (BB/Nik) or just sheeping (Tans/Vezok)). Ludi is the obvious CR; this remains as true now as before.
Spoiler: Repeating lies does not make them true. You and Ludi seem to have the same mindset
I can't be the CR or the CR backup because I have results.
The only "result" that you have is that TT didn't target anyone; except that TT claims to have targeted someone. Aside from that you have a claimed track on CJ from N1 which in your own words should give an "indication from [your] target that [your] ability succeeded or failed". Even more explicitly, you stated "I was looking for crumbs in CJ's posting and I didn't see any which is why I said "any indication"", which is absolutely ridiculous to claim if you are a tracker/watcher since CJ would have no reason for crumbing ANYTHING about your attempted track on him.

You obviously have motive for lying about TT; Ludi is going to be lynched. If TT actually JKed Ludi and stopped the recruit last night, then cult is likely down to 2 members. Ludi being lynched would drop cult down to just yourself. TT or Andy would pretty obviously JK or RB you as the pretty damn certain last cult member. You only have a shot anymore if you can swing mislynches of people other than Ludi (ie. your Nikanor and TT schemes).

I could give a whole bunch of half baked reasons why you are mafia
And can you give any full baked reasons for why I am mafia? Your post is overflowing with lulz.
Spoiler: Did you just decide to start slinging crap and hoping something sticks?
And if I was the CR backup and Ludi is my CR why wouldn't I buss the shit out of Ludi especially after yesterday?
Seeing as Cult almost certainly loses if we lynch the CR AND the backup CR, then I would think it obvious why you would avoid doing something that directly would lead to your loss.
If I was regular recruitee why wouldn't I be joining Ludi on the Toasty wagon especially with a claim that could have damned him?
Straw man.

Kast does not want to lynch Nikanor because that would directly implicate Hiplop and shred Mafia's last chance at winning the game. THe problem? White Lanterns.
Are you reading what you're posting? Subliminal and Muffin are vouching for Hiplop as a WL. How does anything I've posted relate to Nikanor clearing Hiplop (or anything clearing Hiplop for that matter)?

Due to the duality of the roles in this game
Hiplop is likely the Dayvig,
WTF?! Are you even trying? Hiplop is town or hiplop is mafia? Make up your mind.

I think he reversed it so as to cut ties when scum Andy flips scum. Problems?
Ok, how do you explain the three additional breadcrumbs that all indicated a track result of Tans targeting Andy? That right there is a bigger problem than "My word against his"

Toasty has claimed to have blocked him the first night, and Toasty isn't lieing about his ability
How do you explain Toasty's lack of JK despite you yourself knowing TT is a JKer? Are you claiming Andy roleblocked TT? Why would Andy lie about blocking Ludi; unless he was recruited by Ludi last night? Your story doesn't hold up.

Scum have 6 members. 3 red and 3 yellow. We already have Atrocitus, and 2 yellow, but no Sinestro. Sinestro is going to be in this game. Vanillalizer (paralyzing fear) makes sense for Sinestro (Kast *was* yellow mafia last game, and Tans was given the same role he had, so not entirely inconceivable), plus the other 2 Red scum members. Problems? major flavor guessing and outguessing the mod
Other problems, mods already confirmed they assigned roles randomly, so odds of Kast getting Sinestro AGAIN are extremely low (not to mention others who played in both games and flipped have not been the same roles as before...plus it would just be idiotic game design). Aside from that, a 6 man scum team (+/-1) is fairly likely and has been posited for quite some time...padding your post with IIoA?


Tans, if everything goes to plan, Kast can wait until tomorrow.
Nikanor and Ludi, the CR and the Cultee can die today.
Here is where you show your true colors once again. If you honestly think our lynches today should be used on Nikanor and Ludi, then there's absolutely zero reason for your strong opposition to lynching Ludi first and Nikanor second.
-In your scenario, Ludi flips recruit, it confirms that you are right about TT getting somehow blocked, and combined with your knowledge that TT is really a JK, you've narrowed down CR to someone who has no confirmed night actions (Nik/Hiplop/Vezok/Muffin), which almost certainly would mean Nikanor hangs. Your refusal to go with this shows you aren't honest about a Ludi lynch. You just want to mislynch a WL. If Nik got lynched and flipped WL, you'd likely go back to claiming Toast as cult recruit or some crap like that
again
.

Btw, have you taken a look at your own iso? The buddying is so thick it's stifling. You started this day buddying my and following to the Ludi wagon with hopes that I'd reciprocate your buddying and give you a free pass to endgame. Seriously man, pleading for me to not suspect you and asking my opinion on how to proceed with everything was kinda disgusting. Abandoning your "TT is a recruit" chain of thought immediately when my brother pointed out your hypocrisy in doing so

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Peregrine targeting Kast is a reasonable supposition; but there are two problems. First, Peregrine did state agreement with my brother's posts and trust of my slot. However, as he posted in his notes before D2 ended, he didn't pick up on my brother's Tracker claim. That's the problem with piggybacking the guy who wasn't really reading the first half of the game; BB didn't notice that Peregrine
didn't realize
Kast had claimed tracker. Actually BB was one of the ONLY PEOPLE who realized my brother's Tracker soft claim (probably since my brother stated intent to TRACK BB).
Second, and pretty damn definitive, Vezok delayed me on N2, so that blows the whole Kast vanilla'd Tans/WLC on N2 out of the water.

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Less stalling, more voting. If you have an actual question for Ludi, then ask it directly, otherwise vote and let's move on.
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Post Post #3097 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:07 pm

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In post 3095, Oversoul wrote:Why aren't you voting Nikanor then?

i meant the reverse :oops:

and ludi is confirmed cr, nikanor is just possible
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Post Post #3098 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:17 pm

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Before I go to bed, if you are so sure that I am cult, why don't you want to lynch me? I welcome you trying to spin that wagon. You presented the same scenario with my assertion that Nikanor is the CR and Ludi is the cultee.

I will reply in full tomorrow. Too tired at the moment.

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Post Post #3099 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:02 pm

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Oversoul wrote:Nikanor's claim fits CR perfectly, but I see your point with the claimed roles. Meh. I still feel Nikanor is CR and his lurkiness and claim proves it. Just like Ludi's loss of libido (lol) proves he was culted.


But... you don't even know what Nikanor's claim is. He claimed some sort of conditional bulletproof, but he hasn't elaborated or claimed any further than that.

Why do you think Nikanor, as a CR, would openly claim to be bulletproof in thread? Surely the smarter play, if he's the CR, would be to hide this. And I know if it's a WL fake-claim, he has something more elaborate than simply "lolbulletproof".

I don't like his lurking in recent days, but I don't think it's indicative of alignment.


Ludi wrote:not sure what zmuffin is doing up in's this thread. Its getting wearing to argue against this mislynch nonsense on myself day after day. Kdub almost hammered me, was a recruit yesterday, and people still think I am the cult recruiter. I don't get it.


I think Kast has pretty much explained my own thoughts on this already.

I don't see how the interaction between you and Kdub can be written off as "impossible CR-recruit relationship". He didn't hammer you, he knew he wasn't hammering you, he unvoted when you requested it, he never put his vote back on you... It looked like a distancing attempt.

Not to mention I don't agree with either of your other CR candidates.

hiplop I just cannot get behind and even if you're lynched and flip something other than CR, I still cannot see myself voting him. Like, a lot of this has to do with the fact that I looked at his play D1, tried to understand it coming from hiplop as a fake-claim, and simply couldn't see him being capable of doing that - no offense to him, I just don't think he's able to keep up an act like that. And the rest of his play hasn't done anything to contradict this - yeah, he's not playing in the most pro-town way, but I think that's more an issue with hiplop than role-related reasons.

And Toast simply doesn't make sense as a CR for a few reasons (OS N2 + "went nowhere" N3? How does this make sense for a CR?)


Oversoul wrote:Hiplop is most likely mafia.


This is also very unlikely. I don't have much of a basis for this belief, but when you consider that the
leader
of the mafia team claimed Green Lantern... Like the only possible mafia member that would make sense having a WL fake-claim based on this is Sinestro, and even then I don't think so. You also have to consider that the claimed WLs have been acting as somewhat of a masonry in working to get all 3 mafia lynches in the first 2 days. I don't think that was bussing.


Toasty wrote:If Magister Ludi is not CR, he's probably scum via his incredibly anti-town and warped attitude on D3 and D4.


I don't think Ludi makes sense as mafia. For example, I don't see Ludi-mafia going "Oh, looks like we lynched my buddy in the first half of D1. Optimal play here is to bus Apok!" and I don't think Ludi-mafia is going to openly suggest he thinks his buddy GhostWriter is a town PR when GW was on the verge of being lynched.

If Ludi isn't CR, he's not mafia.


Ludi wrote:TOASTY, you are obviously lying to have said you roleblocked me last night when Oversoul says you didn't.


Why are you assuming that vezok and Andrius aren't lying? Wouldn't it be plausible for Oversoul-tracker to have tracked Toast-JK nowhere if one of Andrius and vezok actually targeted Toast?

And why does this even make sense for Toast-CR? Obviously if you think Toast is CR, you must think Oversoul is lying. And if you think Oversoul is lying, you shouldn't have any reason to think Toast is CR, because he wouldn't have lied..................


Ludi wrote:You could see how easily yesterday they wagoned me and everyone else. That is not the hallmark of a cult recruiter lynch.


Who are "they"? And why does this mean anything?

Also, out of interest, why do you think Kdub unvoted you?


Kast wrote:you've narrowed down CR to someone who has no confirmed night actions (Nik/Hiplop/Vezok/Muffin)


Interestingly, I think I actually do have a way of confirming my own night actions.

I targeted Subliminal N1 and was told my action did not succeed. This was sort of crumbed by me asking him over and over about passive abilities and accusing him of being an action-immune day killer at one point (lol). Pretty sure my action failed because he commuted N1, which sucks, because I would have been able to stop WLC's lynch (and quite possibly Subliminal's as well) had Subliminal chosen not to commute N1.

By no means is this any sort of solid confirmation, but yeah...
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