TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[Meransiel]

The thing is, the insistence with which silver urges you to lynch me (whom only suspect is/was silv) and Mysterio (??) can't be good for scum. And it's obvious it doesn't keep him alive, so he has to count on us seeing a town flip after the hammer.

Just my 2 cents. I'm not hammering.

[David Xanatos]

This is Silver's meta.. he flips out under pressure.. this seems to be par for the course for him no matter what alignment.

[izakthegoomba]

^ this

Also, didn't you say you WANTED to hammer him?

[Banshee]

@Meransiel:
I don't agree about Silver, I have seen scum post similar heartfelt attacks on people as WIFOM for their flip. "Oh, we can't lynch Meran and Mysterio because scum-Silver wanted us to!" And while I have day one reasons for thinking you're probably town, I still think Mysterio is likely scum. I just don't want to lynch him blind or without any chance to defend himself.

What are your thoughts on Peregrine's recent posts and/or lack thereof?

Why did you suggest an Izak lynch earlier?

[Nero Cain]

Not sure how to take Merans reversal.

It doesn't take this long to post a screen capture.

[silverbullet999]

This is Silver's meta.. he flips out under pressure.. this seems to be par for the course for him no matter what alignment.

Actually it's my town meta... Though I wouldn't at all call this me flipping out. I've never condoned my lynch as scum. There was one time where I left a claimed cop alive and didn't hammer someone which could have enabled me to kill the claimed cop who had results on me (I was demotivated *shrug*). In my... few games as scum I've either been nightkilled or simply replaced for a few reasons.

But then again you should dismiss this as wifom and eventually let me be free (some posts actually seem productive for at least a little bit).

P:Edit

It doesn't take this long to post a screen capture.

I do agree and assume he either flaked or something of the sort

[Banshee]

Since we've clearly got some time:

@Silver:

What's your case against Meransiel? What about Mysterio? Do you feel differently about Peregrine's probable alignment given the strange delaying tactics he appears to be practicing? Do you think meta is a good gauge of play in a specific game other than the general ability level?

Can you give an example of a completed game in which you "flipped out" as town?

[silverbullet999]

What's your case against Meransiel? What about Mysterio? Do you feel differently about Peregrine's probable alignment given the strange delaying tactics he appears to be practicing? Do you think meta is a good gauge of play in a specific game other than the general ability level?

Meran for (to me) having not done much and simply hammering most of the time, I recant him from the lynch him list for the reversal now... though maybe he's just paranoid that I'd actually be listened to *shrug*. Mysterio for his reaction to "I'd be ok with his lynch"... his overall contribution... the case from zeilink... and him also being on MOI's list. Meta... eh I don't tend to rely on it.. you proved it right with fourseen but yeah, meta sometimes works but I think it works best when there's nothing else to work with.

Can you give an example of a completed game in which you "flipped out" as town?

I'll find a specific one in a bit (I have to head out shortly), but really if you look at my previous games and see I was lynched as town, I probably "flipped out". Specifically for instance the one game I mentioned when I built my case on Shotty day 1. (Was probably made on the hydra and not this account).

[Meransiel]

This is Silver's meta.. he flips out under pressure.. this seems to be par for the course for him no matter what alignment.

If you know this happens regardless of meta, why are you so sure?

^ this

Also, didn't you say you WANTED to hammer him?

I changed my mind. Problem?

"Oh, we can't lynch Meran and Mysterio because scum-Silver wanted us to!"

THIS is the problem. I don't think it's a "we can't lynch x and y" scenario.

What are your thoughts on Peregrine's recent posts and/or lack thereof?

None until he posts again.

Why did you suggest an Izak lynch earlier?

I just don't like him. Also his organizing and helping with the popcorn looked forced.

though maybe he's just paranoid that I'd actually be listened to *shrug*

Yes, I am paranoid about this, I admit. So...why does that matter?

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote silver

Yep Hammer.

[izakthegoomba]

<3

[David Xanatos]

I think Mera just softclaimed Dodgy as All Hell.

Wanting to, specifically, be the hammer, then admitting backing out just in case Silver's Town and is listened to.. that's far too dodgy in my eyes. :/

[PeregrineV]

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_Zl8M ... h&hl=en_US

It's currently posted as a read only google doc.

Since the general patience level ITT is less than my ten-year old, it's data only. It takes time to do more analysis, and no one wants to wait.

Any complaints? Don't use it.

[jasonT1981]

Day 8 vote count 3

Silver 6 - Izak,Banshee, Nero Cain,DavidX,Jackalope, vezokpiraka

Not Voting

Meransiel

PeregrineV
Mysterio
silverbullet999

V/LA

No One

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch

[jasonT1981]

What? who said that.... oh those cows look awful small!

are you scum?

What? nuns ain't really women are they? ooh whats this big red button that says do not press?

Are you scum?

No, I just belong to some weird cult called Catholicism!!

Are you scum?

Oh look, the ants have come home!

Screw this, hang him!!

And so you hang him, his neck snaps... was he scum?

silverbullet999 was Father Dougal McGuire, Vanilla town. Lynched Day 8.

It is now night 8. A replacement is needed for Mysterio, so deadline is on hold until I find a replacement.

[jasonT1981]

you awake in the early hours of the morning to screams, you all rush to town hall to find the body of Mysterio lying in a ditch in a fine Italian suit.

Mysterio wa Tony Sopranno, Vanilla town. Killed night 8

with 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

(expired on 2011-10-06 17:41:24)

till Day 9 Deadline

note: All actions were received. Did not see any point waiting 3 days.

[David Xanatos]

VOTE: Meransiel

I really, really do not like the "Let me hammer, let me hammer!" and then as soon as Silver puts a bit of suspicion on him, backing away as far as possible. Screams of focus on nothing but self preservation there..

[izakthegoomba]

Hmm... why would scum kill Mysterio? Perhaps it was some kind of policy-NK...

Anyway, PeregrineV and Meransiel are my choices today.

[David Xanatos]

I'd love to say Pere but in complete honesty, that almost looney-tunes-like skidding stop by Meransiel made him rocket up my suspicion list.. :/

[PeregrineV]

Enough with the lunatics running the asylum. Last time I saw someone this lynch-happy it was the investigated godfather.

Start making real cases or get lynched.

[David Xanatos]

Are you saying that there's nothing whatsoever about Meransiel's complete grind to a halt and backpedal over Silver when Silver put focus on him?

[izakthegoomba]

Peregrine, David Xanatos is town. If he's not, I will bow down at his feet, chanting

"we are not worthy... we are not worthy..."

.

[PeregrineV]

I'm saying after the fantabulous Silver lynch were he was town, and now we have 8 left alive and an unknown number of mafia, that unsubtantiated cases that are quick and crappy are very much in the mafia's interest.

pedit- @Izak- I'm not going to make you prove it to me yet, but you do have to provide real solid reasons for voting people if you are town and want to win.

[izakthegoomba]

...how can I prove that someone is town? I read him very strongly as town. That is all there is to say.

Why don't you lead by example, Peregrine? Who do

you

think should be lynched, and why?

[PeregrineV]

Because I don't know yet. I would have said Mysterio, but I guess he was lurking scum, just lurking town.

I have to re-read and look back over things. Don't you do that when you get new information in a game?