Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

Oversoul · Post Post #2850 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:05 am

Also, if Toasty and Ludi are telling the truth then one of the roleblockerz is lieing.

Hiplop, I would choose your words very carefully. iPhone post. See you guys later

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2851 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:07 am

Stop. Talking. Until. Claims. Have. Finished.

Kast · Post Post #2852 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:00 am

Kast2:

Muffin: BB is way more confirmed than Andy or Vezok. I would rather he claim last of the 4 you asked. I'd much rather Andy -> Vezok -> BB.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2853 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:16 am

Confirmed based on...?

If he has a result, he has a result, if he doesn't, he doesn't. He should be able to claim before role blockers tell us who they blocked.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2854 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:19 am

(and I don't know why he didn't claim first thing)

Blackberry · Post Post #2855 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:45 am

Not claiming till last. If I claim roleblocked then andrius and other roleblockers have an easy claim to fake by saying they targeted me. I agree with kasts post 100%. Both mafia and cult might be lying and it's best not to let them know. Blockers should claim first

Blackberry · Post Post #2856 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:19 am

Are Kast, Tanstalas still vanillalized?

Magister Ludi · Post Post #2857 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:58 am

Post coming tonightish. I will lay out all my thoughts here.

Andrius · Post Post #2858 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:41 am

In post 2846, zMuffinMan wrote:Subliminal's flip did not get janitored.

That is his role before he received his WL ring.

Mine is similar (in terms of having a different role when I get my ring).

It's also purple, if you couldn't already tell.

I was making fun of Magua's "HEY GUIZ IM TEH ENTITY WITH GODPOWERS" which turned into "HEY GUYS IM NOT CLAIMING" to "OH WAIT IM CULT COUNTER SOME REDICULOUSLY OP ROLE".
So you're also saying that you won't flip your WL power upon death?
What is this madness?

In post 2848, Oversoul wrote:Ok, time for business

At leeast one of the people already claiming between Ludi and Toasty is lieing. I have a lot to say on the subject, and I have more to say after this, but Toasty went
nowhere
last night.

My other stuff to say after this is actually kinda important for massclaimings as well. So... ya.

VOTE: Ludi

I know this is out of order, but I might not be here for the rest of the day and I don't want to hold up this game

HAHAHAHAHA
My gut was to call Toast black.
But then I realized

he's mexican

he could have been delayed, so. :/
We'll see what happens, but if it wasn't you know who then we lynch Cultee_TT later today (Lynch 2) regardless of whether we get the CR or not to keep their numbers down.

In post 2853, zMuffinMan wrote:Confirmed based on...?

If he has a result, he has a result, if he doesn't, he doesn't. He should be able to claim before role blockers tell us who they blocked.

In post 2855, Blackberry wrote:Not claiming till last. If I claim roleblocked then andrius and other roleblockers have an easy claim to fake by saying they targeted me. I agree with kasts post 100%. Both mafia and cult might be lying and it's best not to let them know. Blockers should claim first

So am I claiming now or aren't I?
You know what screw it.
I blocked Kdub, going with his own plan from:

Kdub wrote:Ludi/Sub flips CR:
Toasty jailkeeps hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
Andrius blocks me
Oversoul tracks Kast/tans
vezok delays hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
Blackberry investigates hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin

Ludi/Sub flips non-CR:
Toasty jailkeeps Ludi/Sub (whoever we didn't lynch)
Andrius blocks me
Oversoul tracks Toasty
vezok delays hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
Blackberry investigates hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
(Ludi investigates hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin if we didn't lynch him)

Funny because him being blocked would explain the no-vig kill and would cover him being Black. lol
Anywho, I didn't block Nik/hiplop like I said, sticking to the plan while also hopefully psyching them out if they are CR.

ANYHOW.

Also, Kdub didn't flip his role being crossed out so I'm confused as to whether or not they get Vanillized upon recruition. :/ Perhaps nopoint's BPvest was used up? Meh.

Anyhow yeah I claimed BB/vezok however you want to do it then do it.

Andrius · Post Post #2859 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:42 am

UPDATED:

N1

Andrius -> tanstalas (roleblock)
tanstalas -> Andrius (stole roleblocking power)
Oversoul -> CJ (no result)
vezok -> Oversoul (delay, presumably successful)
Toast -> Nikanor (jail)
??? -> Kdub (presumably FM)
Blackberry -> FM (died)
Ludi -> Andrius (protect)
Kast -> tans (tans->Andrius)

N2

Kast -> Blackberry (no result, vanillised N2)
Oversoul -> CJ (no result)
Ludi -> npiau (protect)
Andrius -> subliminal (roleblock)
muffin -> subliminal (downgrade)
tanstalas -> WLC (roleblock? vanillised N2)
vezok -> Kast (delay)
Blackberry -> muffin ("target" is not mafia)
Toast -> Oversoul (jail)

N3

Toast -> Ludi (jail)
Ludi -> hiplop (no result)
Blackberry -> ???
Oversoul -> Toast (Toast went nowhere)
Andrius -> Kdub
vezok -> ???

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Blackberry · Post Post #2860 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:59 am

Why are we ignoring getting claims from nikanor/hiplop?

Still on iPhone but why would nikanor be BP town when we already had a BP town flip???

Andrius · Post Post #2861 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:00 am

In post 2860, Blackberry wrote:Why are we ignoring getting claims from nikanor/hiplop?

Still on iPhone but why would nikanor be BP town when we already had a BP town flip???

Idk I'm not town_leader this game.

I don't know can we lynch him and Toast now?

Andrius · Post Post #2862 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:00 am

Given we KNOW CR is going to have some form of BP and TT is almost confirmed black via the other toast.

Blackberry · Post Post #2863 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:05 am

Toast and Nikanor are the two I'd love to lynch today if I called the shots. Nik CR. Toast scum.

Andrius · Post Post #2864 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:09 am

In post 2863, Blackberry wrote:Toast and Nikanor are the two I'd love to lynch today if I called the shots. Nik CR. Toast scum.

ToastyToast is Cultee via OverToast- he saw him go nowhere.
How do you get mafia from that?
I get "Culted something" from that, be it Town_JK or Mafia_JK or what have you.

Andrius · Post Post #2865 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:10 am

But yes Nik needs a hangin' too.
Preferably a claimin' first.

vezokpiraka · Post Post #2866 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:30 am

Nikanor claim.

Oversoul · Post Post #2867 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:35 am

In post 2855, Blackberry wrote:Not claiming till last. If I claim roleblocked then andrius and other roleblockers have an easy claim to fake by saying they targeted me. I agree with kasts post 100%. Both mafia and cult might be lying and it's best not to let them know. Blockers should claim first

I agree with this mostly.

it looks like I am not going to be able and sit down to concretely read this thread and think about all of the possible outcomes because I am going to be really busy for the next few days, but I will pop in to offer advice.

The claim order should be and, aside from my deviation (which I didn't think mattered much) should be followed to the letter.

Ludi
ToastToast
Oversoul
zMuffinMan
Hiplop
Andrius
Vezok
Nikanor (I put him down here because he is barely active and I don't want real discussion to begin until we have had a majority of the claims. Plus, I think I know what he is going to claim *cough* BP *cough*)
Blackberry (cause he wanted to be here, although I think I know who he investigated, no coughing

)

That list

should be followed

unless there are any glaring problems with it (only really thinking about this lightly and taking a cursory glance at the posts so far.

Also, why are we wasting a lynch on a recruit with Toasty? I thought we agreed we would only lynch CR candidates and Mafia.

Blackberry · Post Post #2868 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:48 am

I agree muffin next with his downgrading ability. Then maybe vezok. These two have something in common both being roleblockerish roles. Then andrius

Then nikanor so we can lynch his CR ass if everything else makes sense

Kast · Post Post #2869 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:11 am

Pay attention to the game please. Muffin already stated D3 that he couldn't use his power debuff/block as he used it N2 and he can't use it consecutive nights.

Toast as CR makes no sense. We have confirmed claim by Oversoul that he was blocked N2, and we know kdub had to be the N2 recruit, so OS and Toasty couldn't have been coordinating as per BB's original off the wall theorycrafting.

Toast as mafia JK/blocker wouldn't make sense to try to block a *role cop*. Andy: role cop is not mafia or cult cop. It wouldn't help confirm or deny anything other than fake role claims. We know Toasty has confirmed blockage, thus whether or not he's lying about affiliation, he has nothing to fear from a rolecop. A Mafia Toasty only has incentive to block Ludi if Ludi is CR. A Town Toasty has more incentive; town toasty would block if Ludi is CR or mafia.

The only way claimed night actions might make sense is if we have 4 players coordinating lies or if vezok took a certain action.

Ludi, you claimed no result. Did you receive a message indicating no result, or did you receive no message?

Oversoul · Post Post #2870 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:19 am

Kast, opinion on the order of the claiming?

Blackberry · Post Post #2871 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:48 am

Kast - toasty can be mafia. Ie a different mafia member (andrius) or someone roleblocks OS N2 and then toasty claims it to confirm himself. How do YOU explain the result of Toasty not going anywhere? Andrius then roleblocks ludi n3 and toasty claims it again. Hence how ludi was blocked but not from toast.

I wish I was at a computer to make that text really big >_<

ToastyToast · Post Post #2872 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:51 am

Possible happenings:
1) Oversoul is lying
2) Ludi is lying about being blocked
3) Andrius/one of the other roleblockers blocked me
--number 3 actually makes sense given that a few of the plans suggested my being blocked (though as to why...)

Why Ludi should still be lynched today...

"OMG LIEK OBVIOUSLY I CANT BE CR CUZ OF KDUB"
"HEY GUSY I WAS BLOCKED!!!!" ....well if I didn't then who did?

ToastyToast · Post Post #2873 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:55 am

**Oversoul's action doesn't say anything in regards to my allignment. There's a lot of blocking powers (some of which could be scum), and the only way that "no action" makes sense is if I do not actually have a power.

My not targeting anyone means someone else was interfering. Not to mention the fact that it was blatantly obvious that I would be tracked by Oversoul, and as such no action would be foolish on my part.

So yeah. I targetted Ludi. It didn't go through.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #2874 (ISO) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:12 pm

blackberry wrote:Why are we ignoring getting claims from nikanor/hiplop?

We aren't.

Night action claims first, though.

blackberry wrote:Not claiming till last. If I claim roleblocked then andrius and other roleblockers have an easy claim to fake by saying they targeted me.

Yes, because with Oversoul saying Toast went nowhere, Toast saying he jailed Ludi, and Ludi saying he got no result, number one priority is for roleblockers to lie about targeting you... ... ... ...

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Kast wrote:Pay attention to the game please. Muffin already stated D3 that he couldn't use his power debuff/block as he used it N2 and he can't use it consecutive nights.

Indeed.

Finish night action claims, then we can finish mass claims, then we can sort this game out properly.