TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[TheJakalope]

I'm up for a massclaim.

We'll do Popcorn claiming, as that one is the most efficient IMO.

[Nero Cain]

Still think Silver is scum. Currently disliking Vezok. ok with claiming.

[Meransiel]

Still think Silver is scum.

Also, thanks to the mod for resending the PM.

[izakthegoomba]

In favour of Massclaiming (6): Meransiel, David Xanatos, izakthegoomba, Banshee, TheJakalope, Nero Cain

That's a majority. The rest will agree if they've got amy sense.

Unofficial vote-to-claim-first count:

PeregrineV (2): David Xanatos, izakthegoomba

[Banshee]

Okay, here's where my WIFOM problems lie.

Shotty gave a great many reports (remember that he at one point claimed inventor) and they basically boil down to this:

• MagnaOfIllusion - Vanilla Townie (confirmed by death)
  Rainbowdash - Vanilla Townie (confirmed by death)
  Andrew - Scum Neighborizer (confirmed by death)
  ZeL1nK - Vanilla Townie (confirmed by death)
  Peregrine (Holy SK)
  Silver (Jailkeeper also scum)

Out of six results from Shotty, four have been confirmed true by death. One was bussing another scum. None of Shotty's results have been wrong so far either by flipping scum or by mislynching town.

We have two extra nightkills with no other evidence of an SK. My own investigation shows that it's VERY RARE that an SK is not compelled to kill, so I guess that it's not an SK or it's an SK with a very odd mechanic.

The targets of the two odd-flavoured nightkills:

• ChkBallin: This could have been a vig shot gone wrong; ChkBallin was somewhat scummy at this point. (In hindsight it's easy to see that Chk was trying to play middle of the road scummy as a town power role. It's still an understandable mistake for a vig to make.)
  

BUT THEN you have:

• Junpei: A claimed town tracker. Again, possibly a vig shot gone wrong, but it seems unlikely that a vig would focus on a claimed town role.

And I just noticed something else:

@MOD

: Can you clarify whether it was Killerjester or Junpei who was killed with the "obscure religious symbol" flavour? The picture captions say one thing but the flavour text contradicts it.

My WIFOM problem lies in that Shotty was scum and so should be playing to a scum win condition. But he mentions six people and was truthful about four of them so far, including losing scum a power role. He identifies Peregrine as an SK (which I've explained my problem with before) and identifies Silver as Jailkeeper and also scum. This marks the first time when Shotty takes back a claimed role. He's recanted a lot of things, but I don't see any other time when he waffles on his claims about people's roles.

What's going on at the time Shotty starts talking about Silver being Jailkeeper? Well, everyone is voting for Shotty, Shotty is voting for Peregrine (the claimed Holy Serial Killer), Silver is saying that he can go for either Peregrine or Shotty and saying there won't be two town jailkeepers. Then does a 180, says he thinks Silver is scum and tries to lynch him.

Here's my WIFOM. ZeL1nK at least appears to be open to thinking Shotty is town playing horribly badly at the time Shotty changes his tune on Silver. At the point where Shotty calls Silver scum and tries to get him lynched, the

very act

of calling Silver scum and trying to get him lynched ensures that Shotty will die because he sacrifices all credibility at that moment. (For me, a long time before, but that's the end of it for everyone.)

Why the fluctuation on Silver when there isn't any on anyone else? Why the weird sacrificial change of heart and sudden suspicion on someone whom he'd claimed to have rolecopped Jailkeeper?

All of these depends on there being SOME rhyme or reason to Shotty's play. It's possible there isn't, but that's why I'm asking all these strange questions. Including this one:

Are most SKs bulletproof?

If you see something I've missed or can explain anything better PLEASE point it out.

ETA: I'd like a claim from Peregrine too. Well, another one.

[jasonT1981]

@MOD

: Can you clarify whether it was Killerjester or Junpei who was killed with the "obscure religious symbol" flavour? The picture captions say one thing but the flavour text contradicts it.

My sincere apologies on this matter. When I posted originally, i had the pictures the wrong way around. I changed the pictures, but forgot to change the text. It has been fixed.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3376410

[Banshee]

Thanks, Jason!

Anyway, so my first read was correct on that and Junpei is the second kill (and last so far).

Anyone else have any better insights into this situation?

[izakthegoomba]

Unofficial vote-to-claim-first count:

PeregrineV (3): David Xanatos, izakthegoomba, Banshee

@Banshee that certainly is interesting... I'm not quite sure what to make of it. From shotty's play, I would think he was just incredibly inept at playing his role, but I suppose it is possible that he was actually trying to achieve something behind it all.

[Banshee]

One more thing before I forget it and then we can get back to the popcorn claim discussion.

MoI put up a vote count analysis and then was immediately nightkilled. The towniest person on his list (ZeL1nK) was the next person nightkilled, which lends credence to MoI's VCA imo.

Just something to keep in mind as the day progresses.

[izakthegoomba]

Yeah I think I mentioned that a while ago, minus the NK-on-ZeL1ink part.

Does that make me the next to go, then?

[izakthegoomba]

But actually, MoI and ZeL1nk were both ObvTown IMO, so it

could

just be a coincidence, or scum trying to mislead us.

[silverbullet999]

Im fine with the massclaim.

[izakthegoomba]

Yeah but who do you want to go first?

[silverbullet999]

Pere is fine

[izakthegoomba]

Loons like this is going one way...

Banshee, Nero, Jakalope. You ok with Peregrine claiming first?

[Banshee]

Yes. I already said I wanted Peregrine first.

[izakthegoomba]

Ok, then.

We are one away from a majority for who should claim first. P-1, if you like.

[PeregrineV]

I vote me to claim first. Me claiming first is hammered!

And since TV should be fun to watch

1) I'm a CIA agent.
2) I'm a graduate student in English.
3) I'm a double agent.
4) The actress who plays me is super hot and recently pregnant.

Any guessers?

[Banshee]

You're Sydney Bristow of Alias?

Roleclaim?

[izakthegoomba]

ALL ABOARD THE POPCORN TRAIN!

[Banshee]

We're doing roleclaims too, not just name-claims, right?

[PeregrineV]

You're Sydney Bristow of Alias?

Roleclaim?

DING DING DING!!



Yes!!

Sydney Bristow, vanilla town

[PeregrineV]

Meransiel next.

[Meransiel]

Jack Bauer, VT.

Next is silver.

[silverbullet999]

Meran... I'm so fuckin jealous...


Father Dougal McGuire (Who is that?) VT.

ummm

Izak I choose you!