TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[ZeL1nK]

David.

Sum up the reasons you were voting Peregrine, your thoughts on Silver and your thoughts on Fourseen.

[izakthegoomba]

@DX I wasn't sure how close silver was to lynch, I was just saying I could hammer, if the need arose.

@Fourseen trying to WIFOM us? Try harder.

[David Xanatos]

ZeL1nK - Shotty mostly. The way I see it, there are three scenarios.

1: Shotty found an SK. This would explain the strange kills.. and typically SKs are immune to Night-Kills (At least, in other games I've played. Never seen much SK action on this site, so don't know if this holds true here). This could have been reflected in the role Shotty saw as Mafia. If this is true, the only way to eliminate the SK would be by lynch, which would also benefit the Town. (So far, the SK would have hit our Tracker and Gunsmith, which doesn't suggest trying to be pro-Town in the slightest.)

2: Shotty was covering for a Scum Buddy by using his last flail to attack him. This could easily lead Town to ignoring him as an unlikely possibility, precisely because it was Shotty who declared it.

3: Shotty's trying to frame Town. This would be an outside chance, as it would require him to expect Town to believe him after his flip.

I personally feel 1 or 2 is more likely, due to Peregrine's reaction to it. Mocking acceptance strikes me more as something done to brush it off with a smirk.. dismiss the claim offhand and try to get people to focus elsewhere. I don't see Town Peregrine being so.. I can't really think of the word.. aloof?

I'm finding it hard to express my thoughts here, not feeling great. If you don't understand what I mean, I'll take another shot with different words, but I hope I've got that point across.

As for Silver.. I originally thought VI rather than Scum, now that he's calmed down a little, I'm reading him a mild Town. I still have misgivings, but in honesty, his play's better than others I could mention.

And Fourseen appears to be channeling Shotty. He's refusing to explain his votes, then saying he doesn't have an explanation, and now he's self-voting, with a vague attempt at misdirection to myself and Jakalope for... calling him on his actions? I find myself wondering why he's appears to be loathe to explain himself and his reads.. it's certainly not pro-town, and it's not even pro-Fourseen at this point. If one of the non-Goons is Scum, I can see Fourseen being much more likely than Mysterio, personally.

[David Xanatos]

Also, Izak, fair enough.. it did stand out to me though, just thought I'd ask.

[PeregrineV]

I thought that Peregrine was trying to taunt Castle Bravo into vengekilling him rather than Rainbowdash. I didn't want to announce that before Peregrine could explain because I didn't want to give him a ready-made explanation.

I would like to wait for Peregrine to do the promised VCA. I'm not sure how much stock I put in them personally but I think anything that gives us more information is good and maybe others can see things in them that I would miss.

That would have been OK too, assuming he was actually town and Vengeful (which he was). But I'm still not sure why he went all crazy and such.

Will do VCA Tuesday when I'm back at work.

And I haven't fully caught up, but I'm not a SK, and I don't think there is one, since there has been only 2 "religious" kills out of 6 nights.

[silverbullet999]

But, I have to say, Silver, what's up with the long post as if you are about to die. You're L-3, right?

Half of me doesn't trust you'd be patient and wait.

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Will do VCA Tuesday when I'm back at work.

I'm more than willing to wait on this before we end the day.

To prevent any accidental hammer UNVOTE:

[Meransiel]

Ok, done with my catching up. (no catch up wall though, as I didn't see much of importance)

Fourseen up my scum reads, however.

[Banshee]

Fourseen up my scum reads, however.

Not exactly sure what this means. At a guess, Fourseen is at the top of your suspicions?

[Meransiel]

Yes. I used the term "up" cause he wasn't even in them before, given that I haven't been here for 10 days, and 10 days ago, Fourseen was nothing special.

[David Xanatos]

Anything else you're willing to share?

Of the lynch pool (Silver, Jaka, Peregrine, Fourseen, Vezok) right now, how would you order them 1-5, 1 being scummiest?

[izakthegoomba]

Vezok's in the lynch pool?

[David Xanatos]

Yeah, second tier, unconfirmed either way. Personally my own pool would be Fourseen or Peregrine. I honestly don't see any of the others as having even close to the potential to be Scum as those two.

[FourseenCircumstance]

Lynch my damm scum its obvious all scum are on my wagon

[David Xanatos]

Please.. on the outskirts of a chance that you are Town, I'd be thrilled about having you in endgame as Scum. You're either Scum, or Town that's idiot enough to cast a vote without thinking in 3 man LyLo.

[David Xanatos]

For you to sit here and whine about Scum being on your wagon is ridiculous when you're the least goddamn useful player in this game, no matter what your alignment. The only possible excuse for lurking at this point is being Scum, and PR at that. In which case, I fucking feel sorry for the Scum-Team, having Oversoul, Andrew, Shotty and YOU as allies.

[izakthegoomba]

Well for me it's Fourseen, Silver, and Peregrine. I just don't see scum in Jaka, and as for Vezok... I'll probably have to ISO him, he's one of very few I haven't really looked at.

I know I had Fourseen down as town, but it was just the non-goon thing, and what he's done recently overshadows that.

[Meransiel]

Of the lynch pool (Silver, Jaka, Peregrine, Fourseen, Vezok) right now, how would you order them 1-5, 1 being scummiest?

Jaka is a town read of mine, though I must admit there's some gut there. I'm sticking to Silver scum whatever you say, though Fourseen is not looking any better (not much worse either, but anywhore).

As for Peregrine V, a short ISO of him didn't give me any new opinions, so I wouldn't risk pressing for a flip there either way.

As for Vezok, he's obvtown, seriously.

[izakthegoomba]

Yeah, vezok is town.

[TheJakalope]

Ok, here's what's happening.

Everyone is going to make a list of everyone that they would be willing to lynch today. I will tally those votes and that will give us someone that the majority will agree on lynching.

Willing To Lynch (WTL):

Pergrine, Fourseen

[Meransiel]

From what I gather, everyone agrees to a Fourseen lynch. So...dunno, let's go? I wanna be the hammer.

[jasonT1981]

Day 7 vote count 4

Fourseen 5 - Izak,Banshee,DavidX,Jackalope,Fourseen (L-2)
Silver 2 - Nero, Vezo,
Mystero 1 - ZeL1nk

Not Voting

Meransiel
PeregrineV
Mysterio
Silver

V/LA

No One

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

[TheJakalope]

Silver, put a vote on Fourseen

[izakthegoomba]

I was the first to vote Fourseen? O_o

Anyway, we have:

Nero
Vezok
ZeL1nk
Meran
Peregrine
Mysterio
Silver

We only need two of them to agree, if we are to lynch Fourseen.

[Banshee]

Meransiel has already indicated his wish to hammer. So that's only one more vote needed to lynch Fourseen.

[silverbullet999]

I unvoted, I want to wait for the VCA from pere.