Mini 1228: 80's Mafia: Everyone wins. (Mod error)

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: Umbrage

[Zajnet]

Here's a PBPA on a player I find scummy. Enjoy.

/confirm

This is what happens when I don't get sent the game thread, my ass forgets about the game<_<.

Null

Catching up sooooooooon.

Null

Hey there! I'm fully recovered from my weekend away and ready to start playing Has Day 1 started yet, or is it still pre-game?
On a side note, it looks like I missed RVS (or a close you can get to RVS in pre-game). Either way, some random questions can never hurt...
1. What is your favorite alignment?
2. What timezone are you in?
3. What's your favorite role?
To answer my own questions:
1. Town. The sense of satisfaction when you catch scum is priceless.
2. GMT +10
3. Doctor

On the whole Maru-conf-town thing, I'm guessing Maru is probably town. As Umbrage said, scum wouldn't buddy each other so obviously, especially this early in the game. Although I still wouldn't rule out the possibility of DRK being scum, trying to score town points with Maru (and the rest of the town).

1. Town.
2. US Central
3. Tracker or Watcher

^PGO right there

That's a fucking dumb thing to say.

Scum don't buddy scum.

You saying that makes it all the more likely for scum to attempt to buddy scum, because they would want to pull something you wouldn't expect. Likewise, me pointing this out makes it less likely. And so on, and so forth. On a side note, would you like some wine?

Mego is scum. Making up specific numbers is scummy. Really pushing the DRK thing as a ploy seems forcefully distracting.

Have you any experience playing with DRK?

Don't believe so.

I don't think anything really needs to be said about this, except for addressing the numbers thing. The math was very complicated in coming up with that. First, I took the most hilarious number ever: 42. Then, I added the least hilarious number to it, 20. Therefore, 62. If you can't follow, I'll try to explain it later.

Regarding all the votes on me: There is one person in this game whose innocence I can prove, and who can prove mine. Unfortunately, they have yet to show up. Lynch me if you wish, but consider this in your decisions.

Also:

vote: Nikanor

Nik vote looks a little bit like OMGUS here.

Vote: hoala

DRK and Maruchan are likely town. Less sure on Mego.

A whole lotta nothing, with a crappy vote at the end. Answering RQS questions to appear to be cooperating with the town, then a remark which doesn't make sense to me, followed by calling a vote OMGUS and then voting for someone whom he hasn't even mentioned. The last line just seems off to me, as if he is feeling forced to give some reads when he already knows everyone's alignment.

Exactly. You're not overtly pushing the lynch, you're testing the waters. You want to know which way town will go before you make a firm stance.

My intention was to see how DRK responds, not so much the whole town. Notice how I directed it towards her.

@Diddin - reason for voting? (And my name is haoala)

Just look at your ISO.

Such a terrible answer. Doesn't actually provide reasoning. This comes across as diddin attacking a player just because others have expressed a scum tilt towards him.

I find it scummy that it took haoala 40 posts to vote someone. Looks like overly cautious scum to me.

But Mego is more scum, seriously.

unvote, Vote: Mego

Setting up two targets with no real reasoning; wagon hopping.

[Zajnet]

EBWODP: Forgot the:

VOTE: diddin

[DeathRowKitty]

Can you give us the pbpaassijgttywitisad form of that?

[Zajnet]

Can you give us the pbpaassijgttywitisad form of that?

Huh?

[DeathRowKitty]

Hm?

[Zajnet]

Why can't women ever give me a damn straight answer?

sheesh lol

What did you mean by "pbpaassijgttywitisad?"

[DeathRowKitty]

Oh, my bad, I thought that was a common acronym.

I want the "post by post analyses are stupid so I'm just going to tell you what I think is scummy about diddin" version.

Thanks in advance and sorry for the confusion!

[Maruchan]

Ghostlin's roommate, Mirin, walks up to him that day, having found Ghostlin on his desk, half asleep in peanut containers and fruit rinds, apple cores and the like. "Ghosty?" He looks at him concernedly. "I have a solution to your problem with the jukebox. You can just go back in time with the new time machine I built in our backyard!"

"Let me guess, I need to go 88 miles an hour to use it?" Ghostlin yawns.

"Yup. And it runs on uranium." Mirin looked proud at himself.

"Sorry, Mir, but I don't have the seventy bijillion dollars I'd need to fill the gas tank. Also, I'd be directly ripping off another game currently being played in queue. We'll just have to continue to jump through this ill decided mess of randomly written plotholes together."

"Aww...."

I was about to say "You haven't been reading the BTTF game I am in have you?" XD

[Parabollocks]

Nice try.

You play a game with a person you have never played with before, and you think he is scum based simply on how he acts? This is so flawed I don't even.

Die scum die.

Umbrage's logic > yours

request votecount

[Mego]

You play a game with a person you have never played with before, and you think he is scum based simply on how he acts? This is so flawed I don't even.

...

YES.

IF YOU ACT SCUMMY, I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.

THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE.

IT'S CALLED SCUMHUNTING.

Scummy behavior is different for each person. While one person may act completely serious as scum, another may attempt to drag the game off into pointless tangential discussion. Having never played with me before, you have no idea what my scum behavior is and what my town behavior is. Simply going off of so-called "typical cases" is sure to backfire on you, because no mafia player is typical.

tl;dr: You can't say a player is acting scummy when you have never interacted with them before because everyone is unique and snowflakes and Santa Claus and etc.

Also consider that, after I corrected you about who I was referring to in that quote, you

still

insisted I was scum, despite the only semi-real evidence you have was that quote when interpreted horribly incorrectly. You changed your evidence to fit the conclusion you wanted. That's bad.

[Bogre]

tl;dr: You can't say a player is acting scummy when you have never interacted with them before because everyone is unique and snowflakes and Santa Claus and etc.

Yes, you can. You're essentially claiming meta is the only way to know if someone is being scummy, if I'm reading that right.

If you think he was using meta to make that claim by having not played with you before, please link that.

[Mego]

A player's behavior is not inherently scummy. It is only by applying meta knowledge of the player to their behavior that allows the behavior to be classified as scummy or not. Not all players act the same, even with identical roles. Therefore, saying one behavioral quirk is scummy for all players is logically impossible, because there will be at least one player who acts that way as town.

[Umbrage]

Vote: Umbrage

Unexplained votes are my favourite kind of votes.

You play a game with a person you have never played with before, and you think he is scum based simply on how he acts? This is so flawed I don't even.

...

YES.

IF YOU ACT SCUMMY, I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.

THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE.

IT'S CALLED SCUMHUNTING.

Scummy behavior is different for each person. While one person may act completely serious as scum, another may attempt to drag the game off into pointless tangential discussion. Having never played with me before, you have no idea what my scum behavior is and what my town behavior is. Simply going off of so-called "typical cases" is sure to backfire on you, because no mafia player is typical.

tl;dr: You can't say a player is acting scummy when you have never interacted with them before because everyone is unique and snowflakes and Santa Claus and etc.

Uh, yes you can. That's called scumhunting. Yes, some tells are unique to certain people, but we're all human. Some things are universal. Besides, when it comes to haoala, I'm not nitpicking his behaviour, I'm talking about his intent.

Also consider that, after I corrected you about who I was referring to in that quote, you

still

insisted I was scum, despite the only semi-real evidence you have was that quote when interpreted horribly incorrectly. You changed your evidence to fit the conclusion you wanted. That's bad.

No, I think you're scum because you protected haoala and OMGUSed me.

A player's behavior is not inherently scummy. It is only by applying meta knowledge of the player to their behavior that allows the behavior to be classified as scummy or not. Not all players act the same, even with identical roles. Therefore, saying one behavioral quirk is scummy for all players is logically impossible, because there will be at least one player who acts that way as town.

Get out. If you believe that shit, this game clearly isn't for you.

[Zajnet]

Ironically, I too dislike PBPAs. However, he only has 5 posts, and I felt that a PBPA was the best way to show why I think he's scum. If you want reasons outside the context of a PBPA, just read what I wrote and ignore the quotes

[diddin]

Hey diddin is this one of those times where you hate your role so you never post and then make really terrible posts when you do post?

No, school's just been a bitch.

Exactly. You're not overtly pushing the lynch, you're testing the waters. You want to know which way town will go before you make a firm stance.

My intention was to see how DRK responds, not so much the whole town. Notice how I directed it towards her.

@Diddin - reason for voting? (And my name is haoala)

Just look at your ISO.

Such a terrible answer. Doesn't actually provide reasoning. This comes across as diddin attacking a player just because others have expressed a scum tilt towards him.

I was reaction fishing to see if haoala would overreact. It was supposed to be bad reasoning.

[benoni]

I was reaction fishing to see if haoala would overreact. It was supposed to be bad reasoning.

I don't think that's a good reason to have a bad reason, not in the game's current state, anyway.

[DeathRowKitty]

Nice try.

You play a game with a person you have never played with before, and you think he is scum based simply on how he acts? This is so flawed I don't even.

Die scum die.

Umbrage's logic > yours

request votecount

I feel better about having so little content from you now that you've made this awesomely content-filled scumhunty super-post. Thumbs up, dude.

Scummy behavior is different for each person. While one person may act completely serious as scum, another may attempt to drag the game off into pointless tangential discussion. Having never played with me before, you have no idea what my scum behavior is and what my town behavior is. Simply going off of so-called "typical cases" is sure to backfire on you, because no mafia player is typical.

tl;dr: You can't say a player is acting scummy when you have never interacted with them before because everyone is unique and snowflakes and Santa Claus and etc.

This is only true if you're looking at the wrong things.

Vote: Umbrage

Unexplained votes are my favourite kind of votes.

Hey, you actually noticed your name in my post this time. Only took you four tries and a vote. Respond to whatever the hell it is I keep asking you.

Ironically, I too dislike PBPAs. However, he only has 5 posts, and I felt that a PBPA was the best way to show why I think he's scum. If you want reasons outside the context of a PBPA, just read what I wrote and ignore the quotes

Just give us the one or two biggest points. Even with so few posts, PBPAs are worse than nothing in most cases.

I was reaction fishing to see if haoala would overreact. It was supposed to be bad reasoning.

I don't think that's a good reason to have a bad reason, not in the game's current state, anyway.

I feel better about having so little content from you now that you've made this awesomely content-filled scumhunty super-post. Thumbs up, dude.

[2birds1stone]

Yeah, sorry about that, RL's a little crazy. I was reading, just didn't have the time to post anything

I don't see anything wrong with PBPA other than the ability to take posts out of context and the length they can take.

Liking the 'lynch diddin' idea, I was getting bored of haoala/mego wagons.

If hoala or mego flips town, do we assume the other to be innocent?

A lot of us, myself included, didn't notice that the mod had already stated that there are no jesters. If Nikannor made a similar mistake, it's possible he attempted to act like a jester in order to avoid lynching...?

Unvote

Vote: diddin

his name's really fun to type, and you can sing it to the Mario dungeon theme. Diddin, diddin, diddin.

[2birds1stone]

These are some portions of posts from near the start of the game that I noticed during my rereading. They all revolve around Maruchan's suggestion to popcorn-style mass-claim our song's year.

/confirm

@Maruchan - to what purpose?

1980

not like it really matters but ok

13 players, typical 10v3 setup, it is viable that there are no double years. I wanted all 13 year claims so I could examine this. if only 3-4 had double-claimed years, that would have been interesting information.

Are we still doing the massclaiming thing?

This is my take on it: Maruchan, townie, asks us all to claim seemingly useless information on good faith. Hoala, scum, doesn't want to claim until he knows exactly what information Maruchan thinks he can glean from it. Maruchan, not wanting to foster feelings of distrust amongst the town, reveals his hand. Hoala, not wanting to look scummy, then asks whether the claim should go ahead safe in the knowledge that he is prepared for it.

I included Parabollock's post because he broke the popcorn-style; I also find this suspicous.

[2birds1stone]

I am aware this is awfully speculative.

Ace Atourney

is influencing my logic unhealthily.

[Umbrage]

I think DRK needs a hug.

*huggle*

[haoala]

My name is haoala. No, 2birds, that is not true. I asked the first question because I didn't know what he wanted to massclaim the year for. Wouldn't you be curious yourself? I asked the second question because I thought no one doing it anymore (Pg 2 had no claims). On rereading, I realised that I was the one who stopped the claiming, my bad.

The people who have claimed:
Parabollocks (1980)
Mego (1980)
Maruchan (1983)
Nikanor (1983)
Umbrage (1984)
DRK (1986)
haoala (1989)

There were 2 pairs, therefore I think it is likely that "one-townie-per-year" is untrue.

I'm not liking 2birds' 293.

[benoni]

Maybe the 'slightly bastard' aspect has to do with misleading years. Like, 1 townie per year, except for 1 pair of townies with the same year. The one-townie-per-year will look correct until it causes you to lynch two townies.

Paranoia notwithstanding, I like the year claim idea. So, Claim: 1981.

[haoala]

That would make 11 townies. Unless you're saying a year was skipped.

And there are 2 pairs of people with the same years so far. Are you saying one of the 4 is scum?

I don't think the mod did it like that.