Open 329: Mayo Clinic D3: Town WINS!

[neil1113]

Neil, I understand the strategy, I really do. You drag the other player into a 1v1 and then both of you coming out looking more scummy, which is a net win if you're already up shit creek since hey, maybe the town will make a last second dive for the idiot ball. And you want me in that 1v1.

But Neil, your entire premise is that lynching the Serial Killer is antitown.

You can't play that game if your first move is to checkmate your own king.

Lol the points already been made. No strategy. Others see it, you don't. That's not my fault. Fortunately, you're not town, so it doesn't matter what you think. But I still care, I really do. <3

[ToastyToast]

u gusy are funny but peeeeee.

Plz ignore this. Was not in the right state of mind.

[izakthegoomba]

VOTE: ToastyToast

[Thomith]

Guys dont be stupid, we direct neils kills

ON THREAT OF DEATH

if he doesnt do what we direct him to we lynch him on the spot, and we lynch him before lylo anyway, we are basically gaining a temporary vigilante.

[BBmolla]

Guys dont be stupid, we direct neils kills

ON THREAT OF DEATH

if he doesnt do what we direct him to we lynch him on the spot, and we lynch him before lylo anyway, we are basically gaining a temporary vigilante.

I agree. I'd prefer to use him. Why do you want him to go so bad right now Grey, it's a bit nonsensical. As scum he would have nothing to gain by claiming SK, in fact, it would hurt the mafia as a team.

[ToastyToast]

Mega is being replaced

[GreyICE]

This is fucktarded.

We lynch the claimed serial killer today.

Period.

He. Claimed. Scum.

We have two confirmed vigs, we do NOT need a third shot, and the mafia have a lot to gain out of claiming serial killer - retards not lynching them.

We kill him. Today.

[ToastyToast]

It turns out Mega was actually a talking corpse. So he finally stopped talking, and Quilford stepped out of his body. It was awkward for everyone because he smelled terribly and looked like #@!$. Nonetheless, it was better than a talking corpse.

Quilford has replaced Mega!

[Quilford]

VC now please, mod

[izakthegoomba]

I STILL want to know why neil would just give up like that. Especially on Day 1.

[GreyICE]

*twitch*

CAUSE HIS WIN CONDITION DOESN'T RELY ON HIM LIVING GUYS.

SK THROWS HIMSELF OUT THERE TO TRY AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE TOWN WHY? IT'S NOT LIKE HE WANTS IT, MAFIA SHOOTING HIM MEAN MAFIA LEARN WHO HE IS JESUS

SKS LIKE TO LURK AND OTHERWISE FLY UNDER THE RADAR

SK HAS NO MOTIVE NOT TO IMMEDIATELY CLAIM DOCTOR, HE'S NOT COUNTERCLAIMING A VIG.

NEIL IS OBVMAFIA JEESSSSSSUUUSSSSSSS

[neil1113]

We have two confirmed vigs, we do NOT need a third shot, and the mafia have a lot to gain out of claiming serial killer - retards not lynching them.

We kill him. Today.

"SK THROWS HIMSELF OUT THERE TO TRY AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE TOWN WHY?"

What part of my posts seem like I'm trying to control the town?

The emphasis would be on need, not "not". You're right, nobody needs anything really during this game. However unless you're incredibly stupid, you can't claim a third vigilante wouldn't help?

Then again you must be stupid, because of the last part. You're purposely ignoring my proposed plan... why? "and the mafia have a lot to gain out of claiming serial killer - retards not lynching them." So vig me, if I'm Mafia I die. If not, you have a 3rd Vigilante, proven to be the SK. You're problem isn't with me claiming I'm an SK, it's the fact that you're scum and I can't die any other way except through being lynched. I could easily hit you or one of your teammates, and with an extra kill you have to worry about, it's almost like you're being screwed out of a win. So I can see and understand your frustration.

"NEIL IS OBVMAFIA JEESSSSSSUUUSSSSSSS"

Then I die tonight when the town vigs me, what's your issue? I'm dead either way, you're just switching the order of your vig and lynch suspects?

Guys, can you seriously believe Grey isn't scum from this? Like honestly? After stating several times that if I'm fake claiming, you guys could just vig me to die tonight and lynch your vig suspect instead, that way I'd STILL BE DEAD either way if I'm Mafia, he still has his panties riding up his crack about me not being lynched. Why do you guys really think that is? Town motivated paranoia, or scum motivated knowledge?

[Thomith]

FUCKING HELL GREY, NEIL CAN BENEFIT TOWN, IF HE IS SCUM WE GET TO DIRECT THE MAFIAS KILL, IF HE IS SK WE DIRECT HIS KILL, IF HIS KILL DOESNT GO THROUGH WE LYNCH HIM IMMEDIATELY, IT IS LIKE GETTING A 3RD SHOT AND I SEE NO TOWN MOTIVATION FOR TURNING IT DOWN
VOTE: GREY

[ToastyToast]

So this neil guy. All he wanted was to be helpful. So he claimed to be a serial killer.

neil1113: I have a confession to make
GreyICE: wuh?
Maruchan: YOU WERE THE ONE WHO STOLE MY NOODLES????
neil1113: Na, but I think I might have maybe accidentally killed that nurse lady. She was pretty.
izakthegoomba: Are you

sure

you killed them and your not actually a doctor or something?
neil1113: maybe...
GreyICE: Are you

sure

you didn't actually kill Andrius the coroner?
neil1113: maybe...
*Quilford steps out of Mega's corpse*
izakthegoomba: guh thats disgusting!
GreyICE: Wha--oh yeah, thats pretty bad
Quilford: CAN I HAS VOTECOUNT NOW?

Vote Count #9

glowball (0) -
Mega (0) -
GreyICE (2) - neil1113, Thomith
PiggyGal15 (0) -
izakthegoomba (1) - VitaminR
BBmolla (0) -
VitaminR (0) -
Thomith (1) - Maruchan
Maruchan (0) -
Quaroath (0) -
neil1113 (4) - izakthegoomba, GreyICE, glowball, BBmolla, (L-3)
whispersilk (0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not voting: Quilford, PiggyGal15, Quaroath, whispersilk, Maruchan,

It takes 7 to lynch and 6 to no lynch!

[GreyICE]

FUCKING HELL GREY, NEIL CAN BENEFIT TOWN, IF HE IS SCUM WE GET TO DIRECT THE MAFIAS KILL, IF HE IS SK WE DIRECT HIS KILL, IF HIS KILL DOESNT GO THROUGH WE LYNCH HIM IMMEDIATELY, IT IS LIKE GETTING A 3RD SHOT AND I SEE NO TOWN MOTIVATION FOR TURNING IT DOWN
VOTE: GREY

How will lynching him tomorrow rather than today benefit the town?

I thought the reason we had vigs double up in this setup is the mafia doctor can ensure the kill doesn't go through.

What's the advantage to having an SK so the vigs can... what? Triple up?

There's so fucking much advantage to being lynched on day 2 rather than day 1 for any member of the mafia. The chances of a mislynch on day 1 are MUCH higher.

[Quilford]

I lulzed pretty hard at that flavour

Divided on this issue tbqh

[neil1113]

FUCKING HELL GREY, NEIL CAN BENEFIT TOWN, IF HE IS SCUM WE GET TO DIRECT THE MAFIAS KILL, IF HE IS SK WE DIRECT HIS KILL, IF HIS KILL DOESNT GO THROUGH WE LYNCH HIM IMMEDIATELY, IT IS LIKE GETTING A 3RD SHOT AND I SEE NO TOWN MOTIVATION FOR TURNING IT DOWN
VOTE: GREY

How will lynching him tomorrow rather than today benefit the town?

I thought the reason we had vigs double up in this setup is the mafia doctor can ensure the kill doesn't go through.

What's the advantage to having an SK so the vigs can... what? Triple up?

There's so fucking much advantage to being lynched on day 2 rather than day 1 for any member of the mafia. The chances of a mislynch on day 1 are MUCH higher.

You're purposely ignoring the fact that if I'm Mafia, and you guys use the night to vig me instead of lynching me, I'm STILL DEAD. It doesn't register to you because you know I'm the SK, because you're Mafia.

And the purpose of having an SK is to give the scum a 2nd kill to worry about, as well as get more information from the nights. Are you serious, was that a serious question?

VOTE: GreyICE.

[Thomith]

We can direct his kill, giving us a 3rd vig why the hell don't you want that? Oh i know why because you are scummy scummy scum scum.
Lynch. Grey. Today.
We direct his kill, if it doesn't go through or someone else dies he dies that day after we structure the plan for the night, at lylo he dies, no exception.
we can use him to confirm a kill by having a 3rd vig shot on someone, so he benefits town greatly, plus we dont need to pretect him as if he is a SK he is nightkill immune and if he is scum he is unlikely to die unless the real SK kills him.

[BBmolla]

I lulzed pretty hard at that flavour

Divided on this issue tbqh

Which issue?

You read the plan and everything btw?

[GreyICE]

I lulzed pretty hard at that flavour

Divided on this issue tbqh

Just answer my questions to yourself then.

The mafia doctor can prevent one kill. Not two. What's the advantage to having a third kill?

Now, what's the odds that scum would see the SK claim as a way to live one more day?

Lynches on day 2 have better odds of hitting scum than lynches on day 1. Neil trading a day 1 lynch for a day 2 lynch is pretty hax for a soon-to-be-dead scum team member.

He was at L-2 when he pulled that amazing 'oh golly gee I was hammered' stunt, his chances of survival were 'claim serial killer.' It's pro-mafia to claim serial killer.

And he wants us to use our shots to verify this? Why? An SK is the only scum in the entire game who CANNOT be killed by two vig shots. Even if he were the SK, I'd rather try and hit mafia scum, because we HAVE to lynch him, period.

As for day 1 SK lynches being pro-town: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17846

Scum really felt the painful lack of velocity from losing the extra shot.

[neil1113]

We can direct his kill, giving us a 3rd vig why the hell don't you want that? Oh i know why because you are scummy scummy scum scum.
Lynch. Grey. Today.
We direct his kill, if it doesn't go through or someone else dies he dies that day after we structure the plan for the night, at lylo he dies, no exception.
we can use him to confirm a kill by having a 3rd vig shot on someone, so he benefits town greatly, plus we dont need to pretect him as if he is a SK he is nightkill immune and if he is scum he is unlikely to die unless the real SK kills him.

Or like I was saying, if you guys don't believe me, kill me tonight. If I'm Mafia, I'm dead. If I'm the SK, it confirms it, and I won't die. I'd much rather that option, because if a Mafia Doc blocks my kill one night, especially this night, I don't want anyone jumping the guns and claiming "OH MY GOSH! HE'S TOTALLY MAFIA! THAT LIAR DIDNT KILL WHO WE WANTED! LYNCH HIM NOWS!"

While my opinion might not matter, you must also understand my goal is similar to yours in the sense that I'm looking to kill the Mafia as much as you guys are. The difference, I wouldn't mind some of you dying along the way...

And Grey, you continuously biased your own opinion as though it's the only option. Stop leading others, and start opening your eyes to what's in front of you. Or just get lynched, scum.

[GreyICE]

We can direct his kill, giving us a 3rd vig why the hell don't you want that? Oh i know why because you are scummy scummy scum scum.
Lynch. Grey. Today.
We direct his kill, if it doesn't go through or someone else dies he dies that day after we structure the plan for the night, at lylo he dies, no exception.
we can use him to confirm a kill by having a 3rd vig shot on someone, so he benefits town greatly, plus we dont need to pretect him as if he is a SK he is nightkill immune and if he is scum he is unlikely to die unless the real SK kills him.

Hey Thomith, did you answer my questions?

No? Not surprised. They're rather a bit of a stumper.

[Quilford]

A scum is a scum is a scum.

VOTE: neil1113

[neil1113]

Just answer my questions to yourself then.

The mafia doctor can prevent one kill. Not two. What's the advantage to having a third kill?

Now, what's the odds that scum would see the SK claim as a way to live one more day?

Lynches on day 2 have better odds of hitting scum than lynches on day 1. Neil trading a day 1 lynch for a day 2 lynch is pretty hax for a soon-to-be-dead scum team member.

He was at L-2 when he pulled that amazing 'oh golly gee I was hammered' stunt, his chances of survival were 'claim serial killer.' It's pro-mafia to claim serial killer.

And he wants us to use our shots to verify this? Why? An SK is the only scum in the entire game who CANNOT be killed by two vig shots. Even if he were the SK, I'd rather try and hit mafia scum, because we HAVE to lynch him, period.

As for day 1 SK lynches being pro-town: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17846

Scum really felt the painful lack of velocity from losing the extra shot.

Quilford, if he asked you honest and not leading questions, they'd be the following:

The mafia doctor can prevent one kill, so we double up to make sure the kill goes through. That's 1 kill per night we'll have until the Mafia Doc is dead. So what would be the advantage of having another kill per night? (Stupid question, but that's what he's asking.)

Out of all that he spewed about Mafia wanting to false claim SK so that they can live one more day, the question here would be, why would they offer themselves up as Vig Bait along the way? Wouldn't they just die tonight anyway, and thus defeat the whole purpose for trying to live another day? This whole point is null and void, because I'm not just trying to live another day. If I'm Mafia, I'm dead tonight either way. (But he conveniently ignores this.)

Then he gave an example where after lynching the SK, town won. Have I ever claimed if you guys lynch me, you've lost this game after my claim of SK? No. I've simply said I can help you guys win, that's it. Then he threw in the "scum felt the loss of the extra shot" except he's failed to mention how me, and Mafia, do not have the same win condition. I'm not "on their team", I'm looking to kill them, and they (as you can see in Grey) are definitely pushing to have me lynched.

[neil1113]

A scum is a scum is a scum.

VOTE: neil1113

So you'd rather just eliminate me here, instead of using me for the benefit of the town? And that's pro-town playing in your opinion?