Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Blackberry]

Do anti-town factions get fake claims? I assumed no. The 'ROLE PMS' from last game were never revealed.

@ MOD , can you confirm or deny if anti-town factions got fake claims in the last game? I am guessing some people playing in this game were anti-town last game and know the answer as they read their role PM last game, yet none of us have. Thus, it'd only be fair to reveal if anti-town had fake claims last game because people that played in the last game as anti-town know the answer while those of us who didn't do not.

[zMuffinMan]

They did get fake-claims. Full fake-claims, including role. The only thing that was missing was the picture. This has been covered already.

[Mr Subliminal]

Because I find reading your posts so incredibly frustrating, can you do us a solid and perhaps link where you answered it?

PEdit: If you are claiming Cult Doctor, just say so.

BLACKBERRY

WE STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK THERE'S A BUSDRIVER.

IF YOU'RE CLAIMING CULT DOCTOR, SAY SO. I DON'T WANT ANY SOFTCLAIMS FROM YOU. OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE NOT CLAIMING IT, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU HAVE ANSWERED WHY YOU THINK THERE'S A BUSDRIVER AND YOUR QUOTE MAKES NO SENSE TO US.

PEdit: BNM roles

[Blackberry]

Oh.

F#ck?

Unvote

I think I'll sleep on this. So if WLC is lying, he is saying his fake-claim? Or is it possible he is cult-related and just wants the Cult Doc. to CC him so the rest of his cult can take him out? I really really don't believe 'anti-cult doctor' but if everyone has fake claims then why claim that? O_o

Also, why did someone mention a back-up CR earlier? I agree that that would be effed up and we'd probably lose for sure if that's the case. That's not something confirmed is it? Reading flips from last game, I don't think there was one in that game...

Mr. S... think about Oversoul, now think about me.

[Mr Subliminal]

NOT.

ANSWERING.

THE.

QUESTION.

[Blackberry]

Because I find reading your posts so incredibly frustrating, can you do us a solid and perhaps link where you answered it?

PEdit: If you are claiming Cult Doctor, just say so.

BLACKBERRY

WE STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK THERE'S A BUSDRIVER.

IF YOU'RE CLAIMING CULT DOCTOR, SAY SO. I DON'T WANT ANY SOFTCLAIMS FROM YOU. OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE NOT CLAIMING IT, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU HAVE ANSWERED WHY YOU THINK THERE'S A BUSDRIVER AND YOUR QUOTE MAKES NO SENSE TO US.

PEdit: BNM roles

Errr, my answer was, when I claim, I will answer everything.

[Kast]

BB: Since you don't answer town questions, why should I answer your scum questions? I already stated that I did submit an action at the start of N2, and that I did not receive a result. I presume that is because of the power theft. I also acknowledged that it may have been delayed by Vezok, if so I would receive a result N3 presumably and would reveal it tomorrow if it was relevant. I'm not interested in convincing you I'm town; we both know you're scum, so there's no point. I just don't know if you're mafia or black.

WLC: You are at L-2. Is there anything you want to add to what you've already claimed?

[zMuffinMan]

what do you think of BB's "revelation" that scum have fake-claims from the mod?

[Blackberry]

BB: Since you don't answer town questions, why should I answer your scum questions? I already stated that I did submit an action at the start of N2, and that I did not receive a result. I presume that is because of the power theft. I also acknowledged that it may have been delayed by Vezok, if so I would receive a result N3 presumably and would reveal it tomorrow if it was relevant. I'm not interested in convincing you I'm town; we both know you're scum, so there's no point. I just don't know if you're mafia or black.

WLC: You are at L-2. Is there anything you want to add to what you've already claimed?

In the event I have to claim, I'd love to see you continue your rant on how I'm either scum or black. You never said "Yes I tried to track you BB."

Who did you track?

[Kast]

Back-up CR (or multiple starting cult) was something Nik posted as proof that the RB's are not cleared. Mr. S and Ooba stated it might be credible day 1, though the majority of speculation was that CR would be more likely BP from D1 speculations.

Oversoul, if you haven't realized it, Nik likes to fake claim. Also, Nik, you were right about toog, but you claimed either GW or WLC is CR, against the objection that GW is likely mafia. That puts you at 1 for 3 on strong pushes (wrong on ooba).

Considering OS claimed no result, he either has to be mafia with toast or he was honestly blocked by toast.

Mr. S, when you ask a question 5+ times and someone dodges it just as many times, shouting isn't going to convince them otherwise

^ Same applies to you BB: if you're scum and I do state who I targeted, I'm not going to give you that info without a very good reason for it. I can see a few easy ways for you to make it useless if I do get a delayed result, particularly if I targeted correctly and you are worried about the result.

Muffin: BB's statement is consistent with his play all game; it implies he either hasn't paid any attn to D1, D2, or D3, or requires that he's intentionally playing the fool and drawing more fallacious conclusions based on shaky or flat out wrong assumptions.

[Blackberry]

My new theory was that people lost their powers based on who they targetted. I.e., if you/tans/WLC all targetted the same player, then we have the source of the theft. So yes, who you tracked is important.

If I'm Kast, if I was Cult Recruiter, don't you think I would have cult recruited YOU since you were going to track me?

Put a bullet in that argument.

(PS, I'm making an excel sheet to keep track of all the claims and who targetted who and eliminating who can and can't be CR based on that... this is a google excel sheet so I will be able to share when I'm done ).

[Blackberry]

I am still working on my excel sheet. I'm pretty sure I've found two scum already (bwhahaha) but still finishing everything in case I missed something.

[Blackberry]

Ok, so I'm pretty sure Vezok is SCUM, but not CR.

1: Delayed a tracker claim (wtf?)
2: He didn't know he was White Lantern when it would be in his Role PM description... huh? I don't buy it.

...

Waiting on an answer from the moderator. After I get my answer, I will list my top 6 suspects for CR. I currently have 3 groups from most likely to least likely. I'm pretty sure everyone else is cleared.

[tanstalas]

14 alive and you think it's one of 6 people? Those are pretty good odds you are giving yourself

[Blackberry]

14 alive and you think it's one of 6 people? Those are pretty good odds you are giving yourself

If I get the answer from the mod I'm looking for, and a clever assumption I have holds true, I have your CR in the bag. But that's a few if's I have to get by first.

[Blackberry]

I'm kind of really excited because I think I know the Cult Leader and last night's recruit!!

^_^

I'm thinking of just jumping the gun and asking a particular person the question I need answered in order to prove my theory.

Although it's smarter to just wait and see what the mod says to my question. XD

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

[zMuffinMan]

wait, did vezok ever claim what his actual ring colour is? Because he's sure as fuck not white.

[Blackberry]

wait, did vezok ever claim what his actual ring colour is? Because he's sure as fuck not white.

If he isn't a White Lantern, then his Lantern Color is IN HIS ROLE PM RIGHT AFTER HIS NAME AND HE WOULD KNOW HE'S NON-WHITE.

>_<

...

I'm going to post my theory anyways right now regardless of what the answer will be from the mod. As either way, I think the recruitee effed up.

[Blackberry]

Now I'm afraid I'll somehow get DAY-KILLED if I don't outright say what I think.

TOASTYTOAST IS CULT RECRUITER.
OVERSOUL WAS A 1-SHOT SOMETHING (HAWK is my guess, AND IS NOW THE RECRUIT).

Toasty claimed to have JAILKEPT oversoul last night (first off, why jail-keep someone that only had a 1-shot ability?).

...

HOWEVER, Oversoul was DELAYED NIGHT 1. If Toasty JAILKEPT him, then the action would not have went through.
* However, Oversoul's action did go through, his 1-shot ability somehow involved giving CANDLE JACK A RING.
* Oversoul claimed he targetted Candle Jack Night 1.
* Oversoul indicated he would be able to know if his target was reached.
* Oversoul indicated his ability could somehow reveal/not reveal if his target was the Cult Leader.

*Last night Candle Jack got a ring (Strong assumption this is from Oversoul, and since he was delayed, CJ didn't get it till Night 2.
*Candle Jack admits he got a new ring/power.
* Oversoul, Post 1937, mentions lynching Candle Jack. In other words, CJ has indicated he got the ring, yet Oversoul is ignoring/pretending it's not from him by saying he's fine with lynching CJ. In other words, Oversoul will deny giving a ring because he is now part of the cult (this is the only thing that makes sense, as well as, it makes sense for CR to ADMIT to who they targetted in case of watcher/tracker).

Oversoul can't admit to giving CJ the ring, because then that would reveal that OVERSOUL WAS NOT JAILKEPT. He gave him the ring, and since recruit occurs LAST, he then turns to cult.

(Originally, I had a problem with Oversoul claiming NON-LANTERN yet all the others that claimed NON-LANTERN mentioned the White Lantern being in their PM which told me there IS no 'non-lanterns' just WL's that are mentioned in their PMs. Then again Mastin [dove] never claimed this so Oversoul was either faking the WL claim or is probably [Hawk] who would also not know this).

CJ, any info about your new power that would indicate I am correct might help (for instance, if it's a 1-shot that destroys the CL or something, that is 100% from Oversoul that he gave/used to you... yet he clearly denies the fact you are cleared non-cult because he mentions in 1937 that he is fine with lynching you).

I am almost positive CJ's ring is from Oversoul, which means he wasn't jailkept. OR even if the action still goes through despite the jailkeep, the fact Oversoul is ignoring this and is fine with lynching CJ anyways suggests something highly fishy.

(My question involves being delayed followed by jailkeep... however, I realize that Oversoul's ignoring of the ring & still wanting to lynch CJl gives way to the fact Oversoul is not town.)

...

Also, considering there is no other Jailkeeper claims, Jailkeeper seems like a safe claim for a cult. No one else is a jailkeeper, but there are lots of roleblocking roles.

[Blackberry]

This WAS my original list of candidates...

CURRENT CULT CANDIDATE:

WLC
Toasty

POTENTIAL CULT:

inHim

Oversoul

- My first impression is he wasn't WL because he claimed NON-LANTERN... but all the NON-LANTERNS mention WL in their PM but he never did. Regardless, I think he gave the ring to Candle and thus he is cleared as Cult Leader.

(HIGHLY DOUBT THEY ARE CULT-BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS CLEARED):

MR. S

ANDRIUS

- I had a theory for a moment that when Cult recruits they block their target and consume them right away. THUS, it was possible Tans got a roleblocker ability from him. HOWEVER, after thinking about it, I read the NAR and the recruit aspect happens last, which means they would still perform their normal action, and not have a roleblocking-like ability.

Those are my four suspects. Unless I missed something with the WL claiming and someone snuck by it who pretended to be WL but wasn't... I'm fairly confident CL is one of the first two.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote WLC

Cult guy is cult.

Also i missed the tracker claim from Kast.

[hiplop]

if vezok flips cult recruiter/mafia/culted, im going to give you all a big FUCKING, I told you so. Been trying to get his ass killed since like page two lol ._.

im caught up, however some of blackberrys post went right over my head so Im going to look back

[Kast]

BB:

I hope your "clever assumption" is better than all the other "clever" assumptions you've made all game.

NVM it's just as bad as all the others you've made.

Here's one bullet to your theory: you are mafia and can't recruit.

And now...

Toasty claimed to have JAILKEPT oversoul last night (first off, why jail-keep someone that only had a 1-shot ability?).

One: JK is a doctor AND a RB.
In general, the best target of a JK would be a townie day cop or a one shot townie that already used their power. Two: you answered this objection yourself in your next sentence. Cognitive dissonance much? You're worse than all the hydras in this game put together. If Toast suspected OS as scum then of course it makes sense to block his delayed action claim.

* However, Oversoul's action did go through, his 1-shot ability somehow involved giving CANDLE JACK A RING.

OS claimed his ability would confirm whether CJ was CR or not CR. This means it is either a role cop ability, a tracker ability, or some kind of power steal, and I strongly doubt that Oversoul could steal a cult recruiter's recruiting ability. Giving CJ a ring would NOT condemn OR clear him as CR, so this is a complete fail assumption.

So, to summarize, your argument is this:

Toast wouldn't have JK'ed OS because you claim it wouldn't make sense (despite the fact that it would make sense).
Ergo, OS must have an ability that doesn't match his claims.
Since OS won't claim the ability that doesn't match his claims, he must be lying and thus must be cult.

Logic Fail. A for effort, though.

Also, Vezok NEVER claimed green. He claimed Justice League Ice, and also claimed he thought he would become a WL.

Hiplop: We know that CR must have targeted nopoint N1. We know that either Vezok delayed OS, or Vezok and OS must be scum team. If Vezok is CR, he couldn't have recruited both nopoint and OS, thus Vezok cannot be CR.

[Mr Subliminal]

If he isn't a White Lantern, then his Lantern Color is IN HIS ROLE PM RIGHT AFTER HIS NAME AND HE WOULD KNOW HE'S NON-WHITE.

vezokpiraka isn't a White Lantern. This thing you're referring to is because his character (which is Ice) is dressed in white. vezokpiraka's claim was incredibly butchered, yes, but that's not a scumtell for him.

We're very doubtful that vezokpiraka is anything but town.

TOASTYTOAST IS CULT RECRUITER.
OVERSOUL WAS A 1-SHOT SOMETHING (HAWK is my guess, AND IS NOW THE RECRUIT).

Toasty claimed to have JAILKEPT oversoul last night (first off, why jail-keep someone that only had a 1-shot ability?).

Blackberry, I'm so glad to see you're actually reading the game. We were thinking that Oversoul was the ring-giver as well, which is why we wanted him to claim if he knew that his power from D1 had gone through or not (1861, 1874, 1886).

We had missed that Oversoul claimed his ability was one-shot (that's our bad). Since it's been pointed out, Oversoul should definitely be claiming what his ability was and who he tried to use it on.

if vezok flips cult recruiter/mafia/culted, im going to give you all a big FUCKING, I told you so. Been trying to get his ass killed since like page two lol ._.

Not Voting (4) - vezokpiraka, inHimshallibe,

hiplop

We're pretty sure WLC flips mafia, but, still, goddamn, this was a bad lynch.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Blackberry:

I understand (though disagree with) why you have Candle Jack off, but why is Kast not on your list of cult recruiter candidates?