Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Candle Jack]

FINALLY back from V/LA and had a chance for a reread.

Point 1: There's lying scumbags somewhere in the list of players who have/had blocking/protective abilities. Probably two (either two Mafiosos or Mafioso/Cult).
Point 2: Does somebody want to claim responsibility for the creation of the Justice League masonry? Because if I don't see somebody claim it soon I'm going to assume that it is triggered, and that means there are scum in it (probably Mafioso + backup Cult Recruiter by What Would Tarhalindur Do?). I'm STRONGLY leaning towards WLC being the Mafia Roleblocker, and Nikanor as bulletproof backup cult recruiter makes a lot of sense to me.
Point 3: Kast/WLC, refresh my memory: What Lantern colors are you? I vaguely remember Green/Green, but want to confirm. (There's a reason for this that I will explain once you two have confirmed Lantern color - I *think* tans just outed himself as scum, but I'm not sure...)
Point 4: On a related note, SOMEBODY want to explain that ability that targeted me last night? More specifically, why the hell do I now have a colored ring that isn't a Blue Lantern ring (at least that *appears* to be the flavor behind me losing my original ability and gaining a new one).

Speaking of that, I have no problem claiming what my original role was: Saint Walker, regular doctor. Protected Andrius N1 and nopoint (oops) N2. (Speaking of that, either Nopoint's suicide was unstoppable or his death trigger was slightly delayed... flavor suggests the former.) I'd rather keep the new ability under wraps for now, but I'll claim it if necessary.

Vote: Blackberry

for now.

- Tar

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 3.1.2

WeyounsLastClone (4) - Andrius, tanstalas, Kast, Oversoul
Candle Jack (3) - Mr Subliminal, Blackberry, zMuffinMan
Blackberry (2) - WeyounsLastClone, Candle Jack

Not Voting (5) - ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, inHimshallibe, hiplop, Nikanor


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline for the first lynch expires in (expired on 2011-09-09 19:00:00)

V/LAs:

Andrius: 8/26 - 8/28

inHimshallibe prodded.

[Blackberry]

On iPhone.

Mr s can you rephrase your statement/question i don't understand what you're saying. Me and Kast both knew he intended to track me?

I have a really good theory as to why CJ lost his ring AND GOT A NEW ONE but someone else would have to get it for it to make sense.

WLC and CJ can you confirm your full role name? "anti cult doctor" or what EXACTLY is ur title?

I have another theory too i thought uP but I need to ask the mod a question.

PS. CJ claimed the only role I thought was missing that would be in here for sure so unless someone CCs he's confirmed nonCR in my eyes

[zMuffinMan]

OK. I'm trying to piece some things together here.

I sincerely doubt that the cult group is a single CR and a single backup recruiter who recruit once a night. It's a virtual impossibility, given the fact that we have a cult cop dead and a claimed "cult doc" still alive, unless that cult doc is lying. The cult group would be farrrrrrrrrr too underpowered if that's the case, unless the CR is completely action immune or something like that.

Also, what have we got now? A cult doc (now vanilla), a regular doc (now something else), a copycat (now vanilla), a tracker (now vanilla), a JK, a blocker of sort in Andrius, a delayer, 3 claimed WLs, and unaccounted for are a day killer and probably a vig and another redirector and something which steals 4 powers in a single night and gives one player a new power?

This isn't making sense.

[zMuffinMan]

Oh, and a mafia-miller.

PARANOIA KICKING IN.

SUBLIMINAL, ARE YOU AN ACTION IMMUNE DAY KILLING SERIAL KILLER?

[Blackberry]

Muffin = town.

[Mr Subliminal]

Let's ask the Magic 8-ball!



Now. zMuffinMan needs to freak out less and read Blackest Night Mafia more. Everyone is a PR, there are no VTs.

Mr s can you rephrase your statement/question i don't understand what you're saying. Me and Kast both knew he intended to track me?

My personal problem with this is you picking up on this one item in Kast's posts, while at the same time spouting off shit like "hiplop is the cult recruiter" when paying even the slightest attention to the thread would show that that's simply not possible.

Now, why do you think there's a bus driver?

No, the message I got at the start of the day losing my powers didn't mention anything affecting N2.

In theory, then, if Kast is really a tracker and really tracked Blackberry, he should get his report N3 then (not getting it N2 because he was delayed by vezokpiraka).

Point 2: Does somebody want to claim responsibility for the creation of the Justice League masonry? Because if I don't see somebody claim it soon I'm going to assume that it is triggered, and that means there are scum in it (probably Mafioso + backup Cult Recruiter by What Would Tarhalindur Do?). I'm STRONGLY leaning towards WLC being the Mafia Roleblocker, and Nikanor as bulletproof backup cult recruiter makes a lot of sense to me.

Die faster.

PEdit:

Muffin = town.

See, this is the sort of shit I'm talking about. You pick up that Kast is the tracker from that one line, yet continually miss that Muffin is already confirmed town? Son I am disappoint.

[zMuffinMan]

Everyone is a PR, there are no VTs.

And?

How does this relate to anything I said?

[zMuffinMan]

Do you think the cult group consists of a CR+backup with a single recruit per night against a cult cop and a cult doc?

[zMuffinMan]

Now, why do you think there's a bus driver?

Correction:

@BB,

Why do you think there is

ANOTHER

bus driver?

LLD flipped redirector.

IF there is another redirector, it's not a town redirector.

[Mr Subliminal]

How does this relate to anything I said?

You're freaking out about the number of PR claims.

Do you think the cult group consists of a CR+backup with a single recruit per night against a cult cop and a cult doc?

At this point, yes. There are simply too many people who can't rightly be the N1 recruiter. Take a look at Succession II. Town had a whole lot more anti-cult power than what's showing here; however, we have double Days.

Or, to put this another way: We're trying to find and lynch a cult recruiter. Somehow, somehow, we manage to do this task without freaking out about unknowns. Give it a whirl. You might like it.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul, did your ability usage from N1 resolve?

[zMuffinMan]

You're freaking out about the number of PR claims.

No, I'm not. It's nothing to do with the number of claimed PRs.

Look, two kills a night + a day killer + a cult cop + a cult doc.

If this is as simple as 2 members of a cult team (CR+backup) with a single recruit per night, against an unknown number of unrecruitable/uncultable players, then I will be surprised.

I have no issue with the number of claimed PRs in and of itself. There's just some things that aren't making sense with the claims.

The fact there's an unclaimed day killer + an unclaimed vig (working on the assumption of a hero vig N1 + pere vig N2) + mysterious power stealing + mechanic that allows WL rings to come into play + whatever else is making shit weird.

Somehow, somehow, we manage to do this task without freaking out about unknowns.

I do what I want. You're not my mother. You can't tell me what to do.

[Mr Subliminal]

You're not

my mother

the boss of me.

FTFY

[hiplop]

i have been reading along, but havent been posting, dont have much to say as the discussion is pretty much all about bb and his terrible play

[Mr Subliminal]

You could, I don't know

I do know

, say who you think the cult recruiter is

defend me

.

Maybe vote

lynch Candlejack

or something.

[zMuffinMan]

wait...

CJ claims he protected Andrius N1 and NPIAU N2?

ARIHDBKHFDF<HJB

[Mr Subliminal]

nopoint lover-suicided. What's the big deal? You Culted bro?

[Mr Subliminal]

He's reacting to the shockingly bad Doctor choices, that's all.

Hey, Andrius, Muffin, you both say you've got some form of roleblocking power, but we don't know your N1 targets. These would be people who can be confirmed to have not recruited nopointinactingup N1, so, y'know, we'd like to hear them.

We'll accept a "bugger off" from Muffin but not from Andrius.

[hiplop]

WLC is pretty obviously anti-town, but i dont think hes CR so he wont get my vote today.

CJ or blackberry would be my choices, obviously pretty sheeplike, but PoE does work, and ou cant really argue it. Blackberry makes no sense to me in all honesty, I cant get a read on him so hes prob not town

[zMuffinMan]

... Subliminal2 already answered it, but yeah, my reaction was to his reasons for protecting Andrius and npiau, not the fact that npiau died. I looked over him him in ISO, I can maaaaaaaaaybe understand the Andrius protect N1 but NPIAU N2? I want explanations for these choices.

PS: I'm unrecruitable. I already claimed it somewhere, but yeah. I actually thought all WLs were unrecruitable, but apparently not.

PPS: I did not use my roleblocking ability on anyone N1. I'll say what I did do when it comes time to MC, but my N1 action did not succeed. It should be rather obvious who I targeted though.

[hiplop]

... Subliminal2 already answered it, but yeah, my reaction was to his reasons for protecting Andrius and npiau, not the fact that npiau died. I looked over him him in ISO, I can maaaaaaaaaybe understand the Andrius protect N1 but NPIAU N2? I want explanations for these choices.

PS: I'm unrecruitable. I already claimed it somewhere, but yeah. I actually thought all WLs were unrecruitable, but apparently not.

PPS: I did not use my roleblocking ability on anyone N1. I'll say what I did do when it comes time to MC, but my N1 action did not succeed. It should be rather obvious who I targeted though.

I thought that too, never bothered to claim

[hiplop]

40% FAILURE RATE IN THIS POST

Wasn't someone confirmed due to Muffins RB? iirc it was Oversoul or someone like that. If he didnt use it, then we have another added on CR.

[zMuffinMan]

Also. My roleblock isn't a roleblocking ability per se. It's a downgrading ability. For example, if I were to use it on a watcher, they would not be told who targeted a player but what role/s targeted that player. In cases where the action cannot be downgraded, it works as a roleblock. So I'm assuming if I use it on someone who performs a kill or recruit, it will roleblock them (I cannot see a logical downgrade for a kill or recruit).

[Mr Subliminal]

Let's all kindly stop

shut up

with claiming who is or is not unrecruitable, shall we?

At this point, we really don't see us voting for anyone but Candlejack. The only thing we'd still like to hear is if Oversoul's N1 action went through. I have a guess as to what it is/was, but I want to make sure. I don't want Oversoul to say -- just want a "Yes, I know it went through" or "No, I do not know if it has gone through"

My personal working assumptions at this point are that 2 of 3 of (Andrius, WLC, IHSIB) are the mafia. Lynching mafia right now isn't the goal, so, yeah. This can be revisited later.

??? of 2 of (Candlejack, Kast) are the cult recruiter(s?) (or perhaps some 3rd party, idk)