Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER


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Post Post #1800 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:36 pm

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Magua wrote:I am blind. Please show me where you softclaimed your tracker result on tanstalus.

Also, remembering that I'm blind, please give your tracker result for N2.

Kast wrote:Where did this come from?


nopointinactingup's pushing on WLC when it is known that NPIAU was already recruited at that point.


*sighs*

I'd been doing so well, too.
Well, that's a really good point you made
I'm town
there, and I'm going to give it a good mulling over
sheep me
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lynch Andrius
let's talk about something else
hot sex
. How about
don't night-kill me
that latest sporting event
hot sex
. Man! They sure
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played really well!
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Post Post #1801 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:44 pm

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Kast wrote:BTW, if you always play like XYZ style as town, and you are aware of this, then I don't see what is to stop you from playing in XYZ style as scum and trying to use that as meta proof that you are town. It could be valid if it was behavior you were UN-aware of, but if you're smart enough to recognize your play style, then I imagine you're smart enough to adapt. Though you are free to prove me wrong there...


I can gladly prove you wrong.

TANSTALAS
NIKANOR

When I play in person mafia, I relied very heavily on my meta to get through on town and pretty much blew the vast majority of the games when I was mafia.

Can you confirm or deny this?


In otherwords, Tans & Nikanor have seen me play many games in which I did NOT ADAPT/CHANGE my playstyle, even when I continuously lose as mafia, over, and over, and over again.

Point-blank, when it comes to in-forum mafia, if I am anti-town I do not care about the game as much because I genuinely do not have enough energy or like to waste my time on a forum game. When I am town I have a genuine interest in the game and a need to figure out who the mafia is, although I do not like spending time on the forum when I need to be doing other stuff, I almost feel it's an addiction when I'm town because I constantly am interested in what the next person has said.

What's the best way for ME to get reads? By throwing out accusations and seeing how people respond to ME, live. This is why I get bored of reading old posts because I do not have any direct involvement.

Also, you were combining throwing suspscion on me by both saying I'm a likely CR and at the same time suggesting I am responsible for you being blocked. Yet you don't see a difference in those accusations and just continuously throw suspect on me. I don't think a genuine town looking for scum would see those as combined. I think a genuine townie would clearly see and say "Yes, those are two different things, I accept you can't be both of those and thus should focus on one or the other." It feels to me you are just throwing suspscion on me and seeing what will stick. It's your reaction and last post regarding this that raises a red flag for me.

I.e., the below pretty much says you do not have a town thought process.

Not sure why you bring that up as an objection when it is immaterial.
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Post Post #1802 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:01 pm

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HEY BLACKBERRY


Can you perhaps shut the fuck up about your over-defensiveness of yourself for maybe three seconds and ACTUALLY VOTE SOMEONE AT SOME POINT IN THIS GAME?

EVERY GODDAMN TIME you bring up your own self meta I swear to God I move this much closer to just saying to other head, "Yeah, let's airlock him." YOU ARE NOT HELPING. All your blah blah blah I'm so goddamn fucking self meta town bullshit DOES NOT HELP.

FUCKING.
VOTE.
Well, that's a really good point you made
I'm town
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sheep me
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lynch Andrius
let's talk about something else
hot sex
. How about
don't night-kill me
that latest sporting event
hot sex
. Man! They sure
defend me
played really well!
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Post Post #1803 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:03 pm

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Votecount 3.1.1


WeyounsLastClone (2) - Andrius, tanstalas
Candle Jack (1) - Mr Subliminial

Not Voting (11) - Kast, Candle Jack, WeyounsLastClone, BlackBerry, ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, Nikanor, zMuffinMan, inHimshallibe, Oversoul, hiplop


With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline for the first lynch expires in (expired on 2011-09-09 19:00:00)



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Post Post #1804 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:25 pm

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I want a claim from WLC and BB.

Fine with voting either, with preference for BB. For now though,
vote: WLC


Magua, soft claim (I think this was my 3rd post of the game)
Kast wrote:RE: Andy and Tans:
I'm goign to read more into this. I have susp[icions on both, and
may have soemthign useful to contribute
...when I get through the additional 4 pages of texts...(did I mention you guys talk way too much for me to keep up)?


This later was aimed at tans when he asked why I was no longer listing him as suspicious:
Kast wrote:Tans, honestly, I was originally suspicious you were mafia of you after reading through Day 1, but
after your interaction with Andy
today, I am fairly positive you are not mafia.


I agree you are blind :). We lost our ability last night. This has been discussed extensively.

If you need something more than the above, let me know.

Spoiler: BB, you are wrong
@BB: You aren't making any sense. I'm sure you're either mafia or CR. I don't know your meta as either, but I'm sure as hell not going to take your word on it.

If a player knows his scum play is so obviously different from his townie play, then I fully expect him to try change his scum play to match his townie play so it is no longer a dead giveaway. Anything else is a claim of incompetence. Thus your claim that you couldn't play like this as scum is akin to a claim you can't be scum because you're too incompetent to adapt your play style.

Kast 2

BB wrote:When I play in person mafia, I relied very heavily on my meta to get through on town and pretty much blew the vast majority of the games when I was mafia.

This reads to me as:
When I am mafia, I try to play as much like I do as a townie as possible. I suck at it, so I lose a lot as scum. Therefore, I can't be scum cuz I'd be too sucky as scum to get away with it.

I'm sorry but that's not a credible defense.

A meta argument like you're trying to use would only work to identify a change in your townie behavior, never to *prove* yourself as a townie. I honestly have no fucking clue if you are mafia or CR, but I am fairly sure you are not town.
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Post Post #1805 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:26 pm

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huh weird. I tried to sign my post but it posted in the middle of the quote. That was me, Kast 2, if it wasn't obvious.
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Post Post #1806 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:43 pm

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@MR. S - If people (Kast) are going to attack me for it, I'm going to defend myself. He said prove him wrong so I did.

I'm not voting until we get claims. I don't have a CLEAR idea of who CR is at this point. My top preference is
Candle Jack
to claim.

I'm not incompotent, I just don't have the time or energy when I'm mafia to play a game that I have no interest in.

PS: I don't usually play mafia forum games. I only played because a friend requested I joined this game. And now that I'm here, yall get to deal with my non-standard playstyle.
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Post Post #1807 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:47 pm

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MY OTHER HEAD IS MAGUA?!?!
LIES!!!

*ahem*
BB, have you had the time or energy to READ THE FUCKING GAME yet?
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sheep me
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lynch Andrius
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that latest sporting event
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played really well!
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Post Post #1808 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:12 pm

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No, I only address the immediate addressings. I have on multiple, multiple occasions, looked at people's posts alone (ISO? Although I'm not sure if that's the correct term).

I have a 24/7 job of applying for jobs... x_x.

I've read all of yesterday and all of today though. That's more effort than others who haven't even posted yet. =D
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Post Post #1809 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:18 pm

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Blackberry, you have
133
134 posts.

You have 0 votes.

Rectify.
Immediately.
Candle Jack is at fucking L-6.

I'm going to say this one last time, and then I'm done wasting my breath. Defending yourself DOES NOT MATTER. Defending yourself to the exclusion of ALL ELSE AND NOT ACTING ON WHO YOU THINK IS SCUM IS ANTITOWN.

I, a normally calm and rational human being, am coming to the conclusion that we are better off without you EVEN IF YOU ARE TOWN. Rectify. Imme-fucking-diately.
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that latest sporting event
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played really well!
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Post Post #1810 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:30 pm

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Blackberry wrote:I'm not incompotent, I just don't have the time or energy when I'm mafia to play a game that I have no interest in.

Mr Subliminal wrote:BB, have you had the time or energy to READ THE FUCKING GAME yet?

Blackberry wrote:No

lol
Also BB, refusing to answer the following question will be treated as a scumclaim:
Why are you trying to divert our attention to lurkers, when you yourself said the CR would be an active poster?

Yes otherheadthatisntMagua, see the light!
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sheep me
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lynch Andrius
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that latest sporting event
hot sex
. Man! They sure
defend me
played really well!
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Post Post #1811 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:37 pm

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You know, I was looking at the last vote count to see why in the world people were voting for WLC. tans and Andrius are voting for him for idkwhy.
So I iso'd Andy. He isn't pushing for massclaim today, AND I found something amazing.
Andy wrote:I targeted Subliminal last night.
So unless shenanigans then he isn't the CR.

Yeah. I'm thinking Andy was recruited by Sublim last night. Sublim wasn't on anybody's list. This looks like an excuse to 'clear' Sublim from being the CR.

Vote: MISTER SUBLIMINAL.
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Post Post #1812 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:38 pm

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why the fuck am i getting drunk from one glass of rum&coke i mean it was 50/50 but stillll
ANYWAY I accidentally deleted the part where I answered Sublim by saying that CJ is likely mafia for Apok's votesteal stuff.
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Post Post #1813 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:41 pm

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muffin also claims to have blocked me last night.
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sheep me
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lynch Andrius
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that latest sporting event
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Post Post #1814 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:44 pm

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wtf is wrong with me i can't read right now
unvote

we really need to massclaim ffs
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Post Post #1815 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:03 pm

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Technically speaking...

If a bus driver role were used on the CR and the CR was also blocked, they would no longer be blocked and their submission would still go through.

^The above is a correct statement.

Mr. S, I'm partially doing this for your sanity. I was ready to do this earlier but my personal opinion is I'd rather wait for claims and what not so I can sort through every
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Post Post #1816 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:03 pm

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Wow, someone I pressed the submit button while typing (LOL).

*so I can sort through everything.
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Post Post #1817 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:06 pm

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Respond to 1810. It's not a long post.
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sheep me
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Post Post #1818 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:24 pm

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I said when I'm mafia (or anti-town) I don't have the time or energy to PLAY a game. There is a clear difference between playing the game vs. reading the game. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN THEN GO READ MY TWO ONGOING GAMES WHERE I FLIPPED ANTI-TOWN AND JUST LOOK AT HOW OFTEN I POSTED THERE (barely at all), I CLEARLY WASN'T 'PLAYING' THE GAME. AND IN DEXTER MAFIA WHEN I WAS TOWN I ONLY READ HALFWAY THEN STOPPED. If you don't want me to self-meta or keep defending myself then keep attacking me for things I've repeated over and over, because this is how I defend myself.

Has anyone even bothered to read my town game and mafia-sided game to see how I act when I'm anti-town vs when I'm town?

In fact, just reading my town game, you will clearly see my behavior is not abnormal for me to be acting how I've acted in this game as town.
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Post Post #1819 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:25 pm

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Why are you trying to divert our attention to lurkers, when you yourself said the CR would be an active poster?

...

I'm just saying it's ridiculous to be going after me for speaking my mind on everything when there are plenty of people lurking. I personally feel I'm only getting attacked because I'm the main person posting and I'm annoyed there's lots of people who are equally suspect who are just sliding along because they aren't here.
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Post Post #1820 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:46 pm

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Magua: I delayed Kast. What result do you want from him?
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Post Post #1821 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:41 pm

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Hey, if we get CR with the first lynch, can we PL vezok?
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Post Post #1822 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:41 pm

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VOTE: Candle Jack
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Post Post #1823 (ISO) » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:51 pm

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Will get to this game in the morning.
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Post Post #1824 (ISO) » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:24 am

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@tans: did you just target me with the roleblock you stole from Andy, or did you target me with your own stealing power as well? Can you do both, and have separate targets? I suppose you only roleblocked me though, because otherwise you wouldn't be voting me.
Anyway, I have a feeling that everyone who was targetted tonight has lost their powers, as at the start of the day I got a pm with the same information tans had. Something's fishy at the least. After I get answer from tans on questions above, I'll claim if that's what people really want.

@Kast (2.0 I guess); glad to see the response to Mr. S, but still doesn't entirely explain:
Kast wrote:Mr. S, I tracked Tans night 1 and saw he targeted Andy. I soft claimed this fairly early Day 2. I also hid a hard breadcrumb to this effect in my first post of the game (this is Kast 2, my first post was my first post of D2). I also stupidly put my character name in the same post so I didn't want to point that out unless we were doing a name claim as well. I'll point it out if necessary.


If you're referring to this post (821):
Kast wrote:Just checking in, wrote this up during the looooong Night 1, sorry I couldn't join in on Day 1. As Kast posted, I'm his twin brother and will play for him until he is back on the 23rd. Trying to get a grasp on all the players/alts; I've never played with hydras before.

After reading through all those posts day 1, I think I have some decent reads on the more prolific posters. Nikanor, Muffin, Friend, Hiplop, Subliminal, and Mastin strike me as town. Andrius, CJ, Tans, and Vezok* strike me as possible scum.

Don't have much of an opinion on the rest, or not enough to warrant sharing. Do you guys usually share speculation on night actions and supected motivations, or is that better to keep hidden for now and bring it up when there is a more solid case? Normally I play assuming that a scum team is already just as capable of noticing any observations or conclusions I make from public information, so it's better to share with the other townies that might not have noticed things.

Either way, I will probably be posting a more in depth analysis for the players I find more suspicious. Yesterday's vote weirdness seems the most pressing point to me; that and CJ's attempted hammer, even if it technically happened after the day was over. Since we now know ooba was town, we can surmise there was neither a scum motivation to try to save ooba by preventing a vote switch, nor motivation for scum to prevent a non-scum CJ from voting a town ooba.

I don't really see your crumb or supposed name.

@Blackberry, in the meantime, did you read the entire game? All nice and well that you post a lot, refer to another game where you post a lot and claim that to be town, but for me it feels just pointing that out is a bad argument. Also it feels like even though you post a lot, most of it is taking and adapting what others think, rather than your own ideas, probably just what works best at that moment. And as Mr. S., you're hardly voting. Your very first vote is just because Mr. S pointed that out, really.
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