Open 317 Masons & Monks (Game Over) Finished: September 8

[DeityKabuto]

SO UNTIL I AM DEAD AND MY ROLE IS REVEALED YOU CANNOT PUT TRUST INTO FELLOW TOWN PLAYERS? IF YOU CANT TRUST IN MAFIA, YOUR CHANCES ARE SLIM.

>implying a person who constantly claims they are confirmed based on nothing is trustworthy
>implying a person who blatantly lied about their role giving them inside information is trustworthy
>implying a person who omgus anyone who suspects him is trustworthy
>implying a person who insists anybody on a mislynch but himself must be scum is trustworthy
>implying a person who pushes lynches with no logical explanation is trustworthy
>implying a person who hasn't been the least bit helpful all game is trustworthy
>implying a person who can't even remember which players are the monks is trustworthy
>implying a person who insists that people blindly trust him is trustworthy
>implying a person who argues with caps lock instead of logic is trustworthy
>implying a person who has done all of the above should be trusted in even the slightest bit

In the first place blindly trusting anybody at this point is stupid. Secondly, blindly trusting

you

of all people is even stupider. Take this as me fully supporting a DK lynch after we kill a mafia.

Hey weren't you on the mislynch wagon both days?

And you're the one to talk.

[Cirno]

>andrew
>bvoight didnt include himself in both lists, and scott said 'correct'.
Because no one expects bvoigt to list himself as a suspect

>Scott
>I don't understand the specific scumhunting here. If you think DK is scum, you should be voting him.
I'm using Guido's logic. There are 4 possible setups at this moment.

1.2 Mafia, 2 Monks, 1 Mason, 1 Wolf, 1 VT
2.2 Mafia, 2 Monks, 1 Wolf Mason, 2 VT
3.1 Mafia, 1 Mafia Monk, 1 Monk, 1 Mason, 1 Wolf, 2 VT
4.1 Mafia, 1 Mafia Monk, 1 Monk, 1 Mason Wolf, 3 VT

DK being werewolf requires 2 or 4. Lynch him, add in a night kill.

2.2 Mafia, 2 Monks, 1 VT <-- 3/2 lylo
4.1 Mafia, 1 Mafia Monk, 1 Monk, 2 VT <--3/2 lylo

So unless I'm making some kind of mistake here, then Guido is right.


>DK
>Hey weren't you on the mislynch wagon both days?
Nope.

[Scott Brosius]

scott, just assume for a moment that neither Guido or I are scum. Tell me why scum would want to kill us, especially after what you just posted.

Yeah I goofed up the setup again. Scratch that.

1098 has some solid points against andrew.

Unvote

[Mist7676]

Still here!

Vote Count:

Scott Brosius - 1 - (DeityKabuto) (L-3)
andrew94 - 2 - (zMuffinMan, Guido Crescendo) (L-2)

Not Voting: Scott Brosius, Cirno, andrew94

With 6 alive it's 4 to lynch.

[bvoigt]

Mist:

You forgot about me.

I promise to read this evening.

[Mist7676]

But I don't care about you...

(You'll be there next count.)

[zMuffinMan]

Been away on business. Catching up soon, though it looks like I've missed almost nothing.

[andrew94]

@cirno, or it might mean scott knows hes not....

scott do you mind enhancing what your saying instead of leaving it at just that

[DeityKabuto]

Guys can you stfu, and can the Scum stay outta this.

Lets hurry and lynch scott, Thor was Town and he suspected scott. Scott already has suspicion since both days ago. He is not a bad lynch.

[bvoigt]

I'm going to try a bit of VCA first. Since I think you guys have said it's best to lynch mafia today (I feel like DK is werewolf), I'm going to treat Blackberry and DK, the mason, as town.

DeityKabuto - 4 - (CSL, Guido Crescendo, Fighting Shadow,

Chevre

)

Guido Crescendo - 6 - (

Darkcoffeejazz

,

VitaminR

,

Tomie Uzumaki

, Cirno,

BlackBerry

, Scott Brosius)

Darkcoffeejazz - 7 - (

BlackBerry

, Guido Crescendo, Scott Brosius,

DeityKabuto

,

cjdrum

, smallpeoples343,

Darkcoffeejazz

)

Descent - 5 - (Guido Crescendo,

Thor

, Scott Brosius,

cjdrum

, Cirno)

Scott looks the worst from this, I think. He (or Fighting Shadow, whom he replaced) has been on all four major wagons, including the Guido wagon, which has all but 2 confirmed non-mafia. Cirno also was on the Guido wagon, and Guido was on the 3 wagons that weren't him.

[bvoigt]

VOTE: Scott Brosius

More later.

[Scott Brosius]

@cirno, or it might mean scott knows hes not....

scott do you mind enhancing what your saying instead of leaving it at just that

This is idiotic.

Even if I was scum I would have no way of clearing anyone from both groups. Clearly he's not going to put himself on his own list. Keep reaching though.

How does me being on wagons look bad? I don't understand that concept. It's not like I'm looking for the easiest lynch hopping around. GC was rung up to L-1, claimed Monk we decided that would clear itself up (which it has not). Deadline was fast approaching, I found usually a great scumtell in the not caring about D1 garbage which I have pointed out in other games and got on the wagon.

Day 2 I was pushing the Descent/Chevre case probably the most or = to Thor all day.

These are not opportunistic votes.

The VCA is interesting though. Cirno looks bad on the GC wagon assuming that it's not all town.

[zMuffinMan]

I've been really lazy in this game. Making time for this later today.

@bv,

What's also interesting about your VCA is that Yank was on

none

of those wagons.

[zMuffinMan]

And why is DK green?

[zMuffinMan]

Oh right, treating him like town.

[Cirno]

>Cirno looks bad on the GC wagon
And why is that exactly?

Anyway, I'm voting. Adding DK to my wolf suspects eliminates the situation where both Scott and cjdrum must be scum. I don't think you all want to lynch a monk yet and I've always suspected cjdrum far more than Scott, so I'm putting my vote there.

VOTE: bvoigt

[bvoigt]

I was thinking about something. Even if we lynch mafia today, we're still relying on crosskills.

2:1:4 (current)
1:1:4 (mafia lynch)
1:1:2 (two townies killed)
0:1:2 (scum lynch)
1:1 (scum kill, and game over)

[Mist7676]

Hey all Today is August 25 so that means less than 2 weeks till deadline!

Vote Count:

Scott Brosius - 2 - (DeityKabuto, bvoigt) (L-2)
andrew94 - 2 - (zMuffinMan, Guido Crescendo) (L-2)
bvoigt - 1 - (Cirno) (L-3)

Not Voting: Scott Brosius, andrew94

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

[zMuffinMan]

No.

If we lynch mafia, and two townies die tonight, then a townie volunteers themself for the lynch tomorrow. That is optimal play.

[Guido Crescendo]

No.

If we lynch mafia, and two townies die tonight, then a townie volunteers themself for the lynch tomorrow. That is optimal play.

Muffin has it right and that's only if scum are too incompetent to score at least one crosskill when there's only six players.

Scott, I know you don't want to bus andrew but I think it's time you went ahead and did it anyways.

[andrew94]

errr nice assumption

unvote vote guido

[bvoigt]

No.

If we lynch mafia, and two townies die tonight, then a townie volunteers themself for the lynch tomorrow. That is optimal play.

Yeah, I know, but then it will be 1:1:1, and we would only win if both scum shoot each other.

[Scott Brosius]

What's also interesting about your VCA is that Yank was on

none

of those wagons.

This is certainly more interesting/scummy than being on every wagon. Trying to blend in and not give opinions/votes is not indicative of town play.

>Cirno looks bad on the GC wagon
And why is that exactly?

Knowing myself to be town, it would be all town if you are town. That seems unlikely but is ultimately WIFOM.

1:1:2 needs the townie volunteer. Lynch scum they kill town. 1v1 One of the scum groups wins. We need crosskills at this point.

[bvoigt]

Here are my reads right now:

Town

zMuffinMan- SmallPeoples didn't look very good, but I think he's just stupid. Muffin has made some good points here and here.
Guido Crescendo- They haven't really given off any strong town tells, but nothing scummy, either. I didn't find either of their "slips" valid.
Cirno- She had plenty of sincere scumhunting early in the game (too lazy to look up the exact posts).

Werewolf

DeityKabuto- Most of this has been said already, but his confusion about Guido's (I think) role makes sense from someone who is a mason werewolf. Plus, there is the "fellow scum" thing. And both of these quotes from Blackberry make me think that they're buddies:

#108 - Good point that he agrees with the bandwagoning on Deity... bad point is his comment about RVS seems off to me and something scummy-ish. If Deity did turn up scum, my bet is he is the partner...

Also, my thoughts on Deity is that he/she was very confused or trying to pull something, NOT something mafia/werewolves would do at all, IMO. Although I'm not really sure what Deity was trying to do X_x.

The first reads like setting up the lynch of a townie if his partner flips scum, and the second is a somewhat awkward defense.

Mafia

andrew94- I didn't like the way Yank pushed his case on SmallPeoples. For example, here he asks a question where either answer would result in an accusation of OMGUS. Also, he seemed to be trying to make sure his vote was "safe". That is, while he also said Small was scummy, he almost seemed to be trying tolook pro-town with his vote rather than convinced he'd found scum:

Guido: wat? I'm voting smallpeoples because he's lurking. If anything he should be included in your list. VitaminR was afk for a while but I want to see what his re-read brings.

Guido: I'm pressuring smallpeoples into posting analysis because at this rate he's going to active lurk his way into the endgame.

Scott Brosius- Hmm...I still find him scummy from the VCA. This vote when he replaced in

does

seem like blatant bandwagoning, but on the other hand, I know the feeling of just wanting a flip. Then again, I'm not sure how he would already be sick of the game on his second post.

[bvoigt]

UNVOTE: Scott
VOTE: andrew94

Overall, I'm more confident in this.

Andrew is at L-1.

errr nice assumption

unvote vote guido

Do you find his assumption scummy? If so, why?