TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[Rodion]

Rainbow, can you please elaborate on Vezokpiraka being solid town? Was it the VT claim?

[David Xanatos]

Meran just admitted to a gambit I think.. in other words, lying about being a bad thing to visit.. this after the Gunsmith is dead...

[Rainbowdash]

Rainbow, can you please elaborate on Vezokpiraka being solid town? Was it the VT claim?

That with other stuff makes him probably town yes. He has been on a steady rise up the list almost the entire game but that leapfrogged him over a few ponies.

[ZeL1nK]

Wait, people think GI is... town acting scummy so that... scum will hammer him?

Or...?

I want to hammer, just because it makes me feel like a big man.

[ThAdmiral]

Questions to

everyone

:

1 - Do you believe Shotty's claim?
2 - Do you think Castle Bravo should already have been lynched by now and the derailing of his wagon that just took place is negative?

A simple yes or no will suffice, but feel free to elaborate if you want to. Please answer both questions;

1 - no
2 - probably best to wait for the track result, but other than that it is just delaying the inevitable

[David Xanatos]

ThAd > Do you disbelieve it in it's entirety, or do you think he may have one of the four but is gambitting with the "SuperJack" claim. (I have no idea what to call that, it's sure as hell not inventor.. and SuperJack is the term that springs to mind for something like that..)

[killerjester]

Wait, people think GI is... town acting scummy so that... scum will hammer him?

Or...?

I want to hammer, just because it makes me feel like a big man.

He's either playing to the best of his win condition given his role, in which case we lynch him.

Or anti-town trying to do..whatever. In which case we lynch him.

[Rainbowdash]

Wait, people think GI is... town acting scummy so that... scum will hammer him?

I don't think any flip there would be surprising at this point. I just want everything to be as neatly wrapped up as possible to avoid anything stupid from happening. Just incase we have scummy player hammer.

[ZeL1nK]

pretty sure you mean a scummy pony.

[killerjester]

I think Meransiel should hammer

[ThAdmiral]

ThAd > Do you disbelieve it in it's entirety, or do you think he may have one of the four but is gambitting with the "SuperJack" claim. (I have no idea what to call that, it's sure as hell not inventor.. and SuperJack is the term that springs to mind for something like that..)

Let me put it this way: I think he is scum.

[David Xanatos]

What about the rest of the field? Any views on the others who've been mentioned? Mera, CB, Izak?

[ThAdmiral]

Mera - I don't think he's scum
CB - I'm currently voting him...
Izak - null read

[drmyshottyizsik]

So how about we lynch CB and Izak hammers...

[Rainbowdash]

pretty sure you mean a scummy pony.

No pony is perfect, although im pretty damn close.

Izak got quite a few town points for the way D2 played out, he is off the table to lynch/hammer discussion for the time being.

We are lynching CB. I want DMSIS hammering at this point. If the hammer does not kill him, he is using his weak doctor on somepony that the general concensus is leaning scum. If he is alive tomorrow he is lynched then giving us a nice ammount of "not mafia" results if town or finally dying if he is scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Um or I could guard make who we think is scum :/

[vezokpiraka]

Are we lynching scum today or what?

Shotty or izak should hammer.

[Rainbowdash]

Um or I could guard make who we think is scum :/

No no.

We need you dead by the end of the game, thats the first thing you need to realize if you are town here. Your role is beyond overpowered, suggests cult (of which I actually lean you are in/are leader), and is actually named incorrectly. I mean, inventor gives out things to other ponies, not keeps them all to themself, a JOAT does that. Three big strikes there. Strike four comes at having a pregame action, so you are behind in the count next inning already.

Now, if you ARE town, you should want to die tonight. If you die, it confirms three ponies as town. We are lynching you tomorrow. Period. End of story. I could actually care less if somepony comes up and claims scum, there is a cop guilty, anything like that happens and you still are being lynched. If you get yourself killed by a weak action, you are saving the town a lynch. If you hit town, you are saving town from being mislynched.

If you are scum at this point you realize you are trapped either way I am sure.

[Rodion]

Um or I could guard make who we think is scum :/

Then they will simply refrain from targeting you with the NK.

I agree with Rainbowdash's procedure as far as directing the weak doctor skill. I suggest Meran/Junpei/Fourseen/Peregrine/Mysterio/Jakalope as the target.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Um or I could guard make who we think is scum :/

Then they will simply refrain from targeting you with the NK.

I agree with Rainbowdash's procedure as far as directing the weak doctor skill. I suggest Meran/Junpei/Fourseen/Peregrine/Mysterio/Jakalope as the target.

True :/
If we had a vig I'd ask him to shoot me tonight, but we don't ok I will hammer and if I live I will be lynched tomrrow.

[izakthegoomba]

Yeah, weak doctor is the way to go if shotty doesn't die today. Here's the best way to play this IMHO:

• Shotty hammers Castle Bravo today - if he's scum, good. If he's a bomb/super saint, we get valuable info.

• If shotty survives into the night, he does his weak doctor thing on a scummy person. If he lives, that person can be almost cleared by the next step (there is a chance of a Mafia Doctor targeting shotty to fuck with us) - if he dies, we get our info. Note that his death doesn't out the person he targeted, as he could have been NK'd.

• If shotty is still alive, we just lynch him tomorrow, get our info, and possibly almost-clear his night action target.

Whatever happens, shotty has to die for us to go forward here. So let's pick his night target and get on with it. (PEdit: yeah, what he said)

Oh, and for those questions:

1 - Im uncertain, which is why we need him dead. I think it's slightl more likely to be true than false, though.
2 - No, we need a night target for shotty before we lynch. However, there was NO GOOD REASON to derail the wagon - I was very happy for it to be left at L-2. It prevents stupid/scum-self hammers, but keeps them close to lynch. Here's no point in dropping it further.

[Rainbowdash]

Um or I could guard make who we think is scum :/

Then they will simply refrain from targeting you with the NK.

I agree with Rainbowdash's procedure as far as directing the weak doctor skill. I suggest Meran/Junpei/Fourseen/Peregrine/Mysterio/Jakalope as the target.

True :/
If we had a vig I'd ask him to shoot me tonight, but we don't ok I will hammer and if I live I will be lynched tomrrow.

Nah, vig should shoot elsewhere if we have one.

Also you still ARE using weak doctor tonight. No getting around that one. If you are alive tomorrow, we lynch you after you claim. But at this point, im nearly positive this is another fakeclaim.

[izakthegoomba]

So rainbow, if you were a Vig, who would you shoot?

[Banshee]

I don't agree with the plan as it currently stands. Here's how I would change it.

• Meransiel should hammer today.
  Shotty should NOT hammer today, in my opinion, but should use his weak doc power on the person we decide is most likely to be scum.
  If Shotty lives, we lynch him.
  If he dies, we lynch the person he doctored.
  

I can accept substitutes for any name mentioned except Shotty. I think this way gives us the absolute most information (we'll get Shotty's flip tomorrow either way according to my plan, and we'll potentially get added information about a second scummy person) and puts us on the best footing to go forward.

If there are glaring flaws in my logic, please let me know.

Nonofficial voting

I vote Hammer: Meransiel
I vote Doctor: FourseenCircumstance

[izakthegoomba]

I could live with Meran hammering (but would he do it?). Why FC to get doctored?