Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Nikanor]

I think the idea is that, if you publicly pick 3 players to block, and mafia know who the 3 are, unless you manage to pick all the mafia players, then they will choose a non-blocked mafioso to make the kill. To compound that, if at least one of {Andy, Toast} is mafia, then he can pretend to block his target, but actually let the target take actions with town none the wiser, and maybe even make the kill himself.

This is correct, although I'd add that I find it likely that there are at least four more mafiosi.

As I trust Tans and Toast, I would suggest rather than publicly coordinating who exactly you are targeting, instead you assign Andy's target, and maybe Toast's target, but not to announce your target. Furthermore, if we manage to lynch CR, then consider assigning Andy and Toast secondary targets to block based on likelihood of mafia, rather than likelihood of cult.

I thought we were operating under the assumption of a backup cult recruiter, in which case we should still aim for cult even if the CR is lynched.

Andy, tans: Who do YOU want to block tonight?

[tanstalas]

Oversoul at this point, unless WLC doesn't get rope. Though maybe Kast as well

[Nikanor]

We're gonna be lynching GhostWriter today, so you can block WLC.

[Candle Jack]

Out of the two players GW and WLC, I would probably support Ghost because I can't really see the WLC case (and Andrius never came through with his promise, meh), but I believe that is still an inferior lynch to PeregrineV.

Nikanor, any chance of switching over?

[zMuffinMan]

Actually, I read peregrine in ISO. I could also get behind a peregrine lynch, too. Still want to hear from GW, though.

[inHimshallibe]

ohai breakage.

Will list my faves momentarily...

[Kast]

I'm on board with a Peregrine as cult lynch.

[Andrius]

Out of the two players GW and WLC, I would probably support Ghost because I can't really see the WLC case (and Andrius never came through with his promise, meh), but I believe that is still an inferior lynch to PeregrineV.

Nikanor, any chance of switching over?

You tell me right now when I failed to deliver a promise.
Because I don't remember one. >_>

Also yes lol_breakage is lol_breakage.
Reading now- declared an unannounced V/LA to help deal with some IRL crap- cutting off mafia etc didn't acatually help, just made me more bored.

Nik I highly doubt a scumteam of more than 5. 6 is iffy, 7 (as you seemed to suggest) is waaay to high and if just giving the mafia team an insane amount of members is how they balanced the game then lol.

[Friend]

So who we lynching today?

I'll lynch GW WLC Peregrine

Doesn't really matter to me just one of them needs ta die.

[Nikanor]

Andy, we have two scum dead and I'm suggesting we have four more....
And it's double day, 24p. I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least six mafia.

[Nikanor]

Friend, vote GW. For JUSTICE.

[Friend]

UNVOTE VOTE GHOSTWRITER

Done. This game rules so hard.

[Mr Subliminal]

We would like GhostWriter to claim

bulletproof

.

We would like more people to be voting GhostWriter in the meantime.

[Andrius]

Maybe Andy for purposing painting me bad while I'm on a roll with lynching scum

I smell OMGUS.
But seriously, I can tell you've got mason-shenanigans going on and how the hell do you expect me to know them?
I'm not the insano-cop who gets scum lynched despite being RB'd and redirected each night- that was last game.

Kat made a bit of sense with the whole "well BB isn't doing much of anything" but I'm going to hold onto my SkypeMafia tells.

inHim is not scum you twat don't even put him on that list. And CJ isn't either.

Nik why the hell is CJ mafia? Because I don't see it and pages ago I asked for a case and no one gave it to me so unless you've got MASONREASONS to think so then NO. I've already said why I think he's town enough to go blue (kekeke) so yeah.

Tans: Once you decide on your three targets, if there are any probMafia among them, I'd like to request that you have Andy target the player most likely to be cult rather than a probMafia.

You're talking to Gods here. We know what wer're doing.

If the person doing the kill is RB'd/JK'd/etc then the kill does not go through I believe?

Yes, but that's not what Nik is saying.

As I trust Tans and Toast, I would suggest rather than publicly coordinating who exactly you are targeting, instead you assign Andy's target, and maybe Toast's target, but not to announce your target. Furthermore, if we manage to lynch CR, then consider assigning Andy and Toast secondary targets to block based on likelihood of mafia, rather than likelihood of cult.

The point of this, dear Kast, is NOT to publically tell scum who we're targeting.
Because that would defeat the point.

Andy, tans: Who do YOU want to block tonight?

Does this have to be within the list or outside the list?

at least four more mafiosi.

Ummmmmm 7 is a bit too many for a 25 player game unless the only thing the scum have going for them is numbers.

AGAIN, MASONS, WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TODAY?
Because having mason1 mason2 mason3 and mason4 all doing different things makes following your lead very hard.

Unvote, Vote: GhostWriter

Yay follow-the-masons.

[Mr Subliminal]

Please take care not to hammer before the claim

doublevoter

.

L-5 by our count currently.

[Andrius]

Nik, I KNOW ITS DOUBLEDAY

But if they balanced the game by putting in 6+ scum just for the purpose of numbers then that's a crappy job of balance. MORE SCUM DOES NOT A BALANCED GAME MAKE.

[Nikanor]

Nik why the hell is CJ mafia? Because I don't see it and pages ago I asked for a case and no one gave it to me so unless you've got MASONREASONS to think so then NO. I've already said why I think he's town enough to go blue (kekeke) so yeah.

I think the stuff with CJ's vote on d1 was a gambit. I think that CJ tried to hammer ooba like he did KNOWING that the vote wouldn't go through. It was pretty clear that Apok was going to be lynched on d2 or d3, so desperate distancing like that would have been Apok's first choice of action (especially when you consider the situation the mafia are in right now).

Nik, I KNOW ITS DOUBLEDAY

But if they balanced the game by putting in 6+ scum just for the purpose of numbers then that's a crappy job of balance. MORE SCUM DOES NOT A BALANCED GAME MAKE.

25% mafia is not a lot when you consider the fact that they have to deal with cult, double day and an SK.
The only way I'd believe five mafia is if our daykiller is actually mafia.

[Andrius]

Ok I missed the whole vote-didnt-move shenanigans but if he voted INTHREAD why wouldn't it move unless he/scumbuddy targeted himself with a vote-thingy for distancing?
I'll have to go back and look at it though.

Well yeah but that just seems stupid- having 7 (or more? lol) is just too many to manage- at that point you're HURTING the scum because of connections, and other roles in the group. I played in SAIII as Cult and after they caught the first two of our 7man scumteam we subsequently got rolled, mechanics aside.

Interesting idea, that. Mafia with two kills WOULD help the balance a bit. :/

[Nikanor]

I'm not saying seven mafia! I'm saying six mafia. Big difference.

Ok I missed the whole vote-didnt-move shenanigans but if he voted INTHREAD why wouldn't it move unless he/scumbuddy targeted himself with a vote-thingy for distancing?

Apok used his vote steal on CJ. That is a fact. What I don't understand is why he'd use it on a) a person not generally thought to be town, and b) a person voting for him. If I were Apok, I wouldn't use that ability on the guy voting for me, for fear that it would trace back to me. The best explanation for why he used it on CJ is distancing.

[hiplop]

hey mod, im vla till thursday, ill have little to no Access till then. Switching providers for everything, even phone :/ sorry!!!

[Candle Jack]

Apok used his vote steal on CJ. That is a fact. What I don't understand is why he'd use it on a) a person not generally thought to be town, and b) a person voting for him. If I were Apok, I wouldn't use that ability on the guy voting for me, for fear that it would trace back to me. The best explanation for why he used it on CJ is distancing.

If anything, this is a perfect reason why me being mafia makes no sense at all. After we lynched Toog, I went straight onto Apok, and there was a very real chance at the beginning of the day I could get him lynched. If I was mafia, no way would I be willing to bus a buddy having already lost another scum member in the first lynch of day one. I'm sure he used his ability when his wagon was not picking up steam so It would look bad when we tried to change our vote, either that day (or maybe subsequent days?).

(I also continued to pound him here on part one of day two.)

Actually, I want to test if his power is still in play here.

Unvote

[WeyounsLastClone]

Okay, I'm back from V/LA. Currently rereading the game, not entirely seeing the GW lynch (although it's better than my lynch ), would be good if he posted more (I guess the same holds for me though).

Do want to check on the three 'musketeers' muffin/Friend/Nikanor. Is one of you Aquaman? Are you JLA that turned White Lantern?

Hope to have more time available tomorrow.

[Blackberry]

BB, I don't really see you as doing anything pro town or pro mafia. I don't see you as having done anything really all game. That feels like cult to me. You

still

haven't voted or stated any suspicions or scum hunted in any way.

I HAVEN'T READ THE GAME YET. HAVE I NOT SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES? MY INTENTION IS NOT TO LURK, I DO PLAN TO CONTRIBUTE AND SIT DOWN AND READ WHEN I HAVE TIME. YOUR CONSTANT BASHING AGAINST ME WHEN I HAVE BLANTATLY STATED I HAVEN'T READ THE GAME YET IS RATHER ANNOYING. Tunneling on me seems really scummy IMO, however, I don't have enough context on everything though nor have I read you enough to make a decision on if you're scum-related or just annoying me. Saying you think I am cult because I am not scum-hunting, YET, ignoring the fact I haven't read the game raises red flags to me. Tunneling without contemplation. Townies consider what their targets are saying, you seem not to be.

Without reading everything, and only skimming a few things:

A) The mafia flips so far have been two different colors. I don't know much about Green Lanterns, but this tells me that all the mafia will be different colors. I.e., it is possible for a Green Lantern to be a mafia (just IMO). As the text would suggest they are part of the SAME mafia.

B) It makes perfect sense to me that the Cult Leader would have targetted someone that seems obvious town. I.e., not someone inactive, not someone scummy. This should be common knowledge though. It isn't WIFOM. If you are cult, you target someone who is looking townie so you can use them. The question is, who was acting fairly-townish yesterday that is not acting different and/or avoiding lynching someone?

C) I'm not sure what skypetells I have according to Andrius, but I'm glad he sees I am town. I was counting more on tanstalas and Nikanor to stick up for me and realize I'm town when it does get down to it. Tans has seen me play as town and mafia before and I think he'd see a clear difference. Nikanor has seen me as anti-town before where I do absolutely nothing. I might not have scum-hunted 100% yet, but I think tans will be able to see the clear parallels in how I am playing now and what I HAVE done and how I have played before as town (i.e., how I operate and figure out things).

[Mr Subliminal]

Okay, I'm back from V/LA. Currently rereading the game, not entirely seeing the GW lynch (although it's better than my lynch ), would be good if he posted more (I guess the same holds for me though).

You don't like the GW lynch. That's fine.

What's not fine is you not saying which lynch you'd prefer instead.

Please rectify rather immediately.

Do want to check on the three 'musketeers' muffin/Friend/Nikanor. Is one of you Aquaman? Are you JLA that turned White Lantern?

Unless you can show why this is relevant to you deciding who to lynch, this is pointless.

PEdit: A lot of this also seems to apply to Blackberry.

We

I don't want to hear about how you haven't read the thread.

We

I don't really want to hear excuses. Do want to hear who you think is scummy. Do want you to put down a vote and some reads. You've obviously read the thread enough to know you're being attacked. Contribute.

[WeyounsLastClone]

At this point I'm most suspicious of Oversoul, and secondly vezok. Oversoul at some points feels 'playing dumb' where he could/should know more (example post #427, as well as outing LLD by saying he didn't want to have her outed). Vezok because of the Ice/Freezer mix-up, and conveniently forgetting his target of the night. I was waiting to vote tomorrow after finishing my reread of the thread, but I guess I can

vote: vezok

now. He is the lesser suspicion of the two I mentioned, but he already has a vote, so I guess a vote there is more meaningful.

I really don't know about Tans. His Larfreeze claim seems really genuine, and his behavior about it, but some of his posts still scream third-party/scum rather than town.

And the whole CJ frozen vote thing doesn't sit well with me yet.

I still don't like how we have a self-proclaimed, but to me unprovenm, town trinity, but somehow all three game through the first night unscathed. I think my questions on them are more relevant than your Entity-gambit.