Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Kast]

Vezok:
Every post before your realization in 362 "My ability

seems

stronger

after I realized this is double lynch

." Combined with the fact that someone else just pointed out that it is a double lynch, and that you use seems in present tense.

Peregrine:
I realize you only joined day 2, but your first post was on Monday, and between then and when I commented, you had only posted 3 times total. I also only replaced my brother during N1, so have had about the same amount of playing time as you, but had around 15 posts as of that point. Now, I realize that many people may not work on a computer all day, so may not be able to post as much. Counting day 2 only, 270~280 posts among 20 players, you were around 10 posts behind the average. I consider that to be low post count.

BB:
You had i think about 20 posts when I counted, where only one post had any substantial discussion, and only 6 posts had more than a single line of text (many of your posts seem content-free or directly off topic/joking/stating the obvious). Contrast this with 12 or so posts by WLC, where 7 (over half) of them contain real content that ties him down to specific suspicions and opinions.

I think:

Nikanor is either scum or fakeclaiming.

&

ToastyToad seems sincere in his jailkeeping, or gambiting scum ...

But both are being active and I want to focus on someone who is laying in the background X_X.

This amounts to saying:
A is lying or not lying. And B is not lying or is lying. And draws attention to an issue that you apparently didn't want to focus on. I think this highlights the content-less post and the fence sitting. And this is also your second longest/wordiest post.

Inhim, I'm curious, what is your reasoning for putting me on your baddie list?

[hiplop]

My name in the role PM is in yellow. I thought I was a yellow lantern.

Anyways this whole thing WLC is doing is more reason for him to die.

lmao same, except for not yellow

[WeyounsLastClone]

My name in the role PM is in yellow. I thought I was a yellow lantern.

Anyways this whole thing WLC is doing is more reason for him to die.

Why is you making a dubious mistake reason for me to die? I'm a firm believer of 'lynch all liars' (that's why I don't like the fakeclaims either, it's another form of lying, which I think town should never do).
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing your story. You're telling me that during at least your first seven posts you had not realized you were a white lantern, but thought you were a yellow lantern? Could be you're really telling the truth, but you have to admit it is kinda strange. At what point did you realize it?

[ToastyToast]

My name in the role PM is in yellow. I thought I was a yellow lantern.

Anyways this whole thing WLC is doing is more reason for him to die.

Why is you making a dubious mistake reason for me to die? I'm a firm believer of 'lynch all liars' (that's why I don't like the fakeclaims either, it's another form of lying, which I think town should never do).
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing your story. You're telling me that during at least your first seven posts you had not realized you were a white lantern, but thought you were a yellow lantern? Could be you're really telling the truth, but you have to admit it is kinda strange. At what point did you realize it?

If he was scum why would he even say that?

[inHimshallibe]

Inhim, I'm curious, what is your reasoning for putting me on your baddie list?

I don't really read your posts, I just make lists.

[Friend]

When I got the PM, honestly.

[Candle Jack]

Tans, honestly, I was originally suspicious you were mafia of you after reading through Day 1, but after your interaction with Andy today, I am fairly positive you are not mafia.

This is terrible logic. You are basing assumptions about whether people are town or scum, (here, tans is town, and you list lists vezok as scum) based on your presumed knowledge of Andrius alignment which has not yet revealed and I strongly believe to be town. This means your chaining lynches and clearing other people for no apparent reason based on your own read which is probably incorrect.

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FOS: Peregrine

You list you suspects here:

More suspicious of:
WLC
Apok
Tant
Andrius

But your first post in the game is this vote on us with no reasoning and you seem to abandon it all together. It reads like you're talking out of your ass when listing people you think are anti-town or not. Not to mention the fact you seem anti-MrSub who at that time was claiming to be able to break the game.

Caught up.

Read everything through night with ooba/Toog flips, will go through with new flips. Until that's done,

Vote: CandleJack

@MrSub- Why claim? I don't feel like the game was broken, so not sure why you did it

Also, as I am finding Kast largely townish,

Why?

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Unless I was misdirected andy is one hundred percent not cr. Though he could be mafia

What are you talking about and how do you know this?

[Apokalyptika]

Tar, I never said Nikanor was flailing. I said that Nikanor's claim amused me, as did seeing the results (i.e. people getting excited and flailing about). And I specifically mentioned that I found it odd that neither Andy nor tans questioned the second cop claim, especially since Andy talked a lot about BPs and such yesterday.

Magister Ludi, hi there! Are you actually going to tell me why you tried to quickhammer, or are you going to clumsily try to dodge the question again? Also, protip: Being on a townie lynch =/= trying to quickhammer that townie, nice try.

Peregrine's 1114 strikes me badly. Lots of people seem to suspect that either I or WLC are CL, but Peregrine's blatantly setting up a "one or the other" type scenario. Reeks of laying a foundation to chain lynches, especially with double lynches.

[Andrius]

Vote: WeyounsLastClone

Most likely CR out of the suspects. Apok is most likely mafia though. (See, Kast2.0, I'm doing the "CR" "mafia" "SK" distinctions just for you.)

Holy shit guys, seriously? Nika is town, muffin is town, nopoint is town, hiplop is town.

This is damn easy. WLC is NOT town-aligned.

Broken masonry is broken. <3

Andy:
It's a scum perspective because a townie wouldn't assume scum is screwed, since mafia scum would be screwed but cult and SK woudl be benefitted or unaffected respectively. It would require you to be highly imprecise to make that mixup between scum and mafia. They CAN be used interchangeably, but as you yourself criticized earlier in Day 1, I doubt you would be so careless unless it was slip up.

Well they are.
Read Metropolis: R-something. Mafia had one member each who had a different wincon than standard mafia- like a mafia within a mafia (INCEPTION). So obviously the best play for them would be to claim, out their buddies and go wheeeeee. (Sorta' fixed by making all those mafia-mafias Survivors too but setup was still borked and f***ed overall lol_RCmod is terrimod.)
And the CR last game could recruit both scum and masons.
BORKED.
And with Toog's flip there's no room for doubt- mafia can get recruited. I don't see how this comes from a scum mindset because (I'm town) ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

It would require you to be highly imprecise to make that mixup between scum and mafia. They CAN be used interchangeably, but as you yourself criticized earlier in Day 1, I doubt you would be so careless unless it was slip up.

It happens all the time.

IT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. HOW IS THAT INSIDER INFO.
SCUM WOULDN'T BROADCAST: "HEY CR. WE CAN GET RECRUITED. SAVE ME FROM MY IDIOT TEAMMATES/BROKEN GAME/ THE PAIN OF HAVING TO BE SCUM IN THIS LOLBROKENGAME".
I don't see how 2 applies because mafia would know some of them are uncultable and some are therefore cultable. Not sure how that applies.

tans and I go way back.

No, it's actually very sensible. Tans is more and more making snese to me. In light of the fact that nik claimed the investigate was a day investigate mason team power, this is consistent and directly comparable to a group ability such as the mafia kill. **I am assuming of course that mafia collectively make a the kill based on the posted site information and the discussion in that quote and others in this thread, but that seems a pretty safe assumption...

Can you enlighten me because I'm not seeing how that was supposed to help toast's towncred.

I don't know if I want to tip my hand yet.

Don't. Its D2 with broken LOL_masonry that is going to r*** all the scum here.
There's no need to unless you think he's scum off role info.

@Tans: How so? Besides, its not like dana would say "HEY GUSY YOU A JAILKEEPER BUT IT ONLY WORKS SOMETIMES"

Remember this" "HEY GUSY SECRET CULT RECRUITER TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL SRY"

Pretty sure thats not how it works, or thats what i got from my PM at least.

How sure is "pretty sure"? Is this an actual counterclaim? Since you've already made it obvious that you're a white lantern you should ask for more detailed information from vezok. If white lantern PMs are worded in a specific way we can potentially clear a couple of people.

Toog is scum, etc. Probably not going to unvote him ever.
I'll be voting Toasty once Toog is dead, though.

My PM is worded in a way that makes me not believe he can straight-up claim white lantern right off the bat, it says something along the lines of we have to wait for them to become part of the game.

I suppose i could just be an exception, but I'm pretty sure he just scum-slipped due to not knowing how our PM's are structured

I hope that made sense

Yeah. This one.

You think they gave scum fake WL PMs? I don't know, bro.

If there's the possiblity for scum to have gotten/to be WL's then I think at least one of them is.
Otherwise game is broken more than it already is but whatever still got HOPE that game isn't broken but YEAHHHHHH

You think they gave scum fake WL PMs?

That is the only possibility, unfortunately. It's pretty obvious that MrSublim is fake-claiming MrEntity. No White Rings actually went out. hiplop claims to have received his, so he's scum.

Sooooooo can we lynch scumhiplop now?

Andy and tans, though, it's odd that neither of them would have remembered anything about the previous day. What happened to that amazing scumhunting, Andy?

I don't understand what you mean. What happened D1?
What amazing scumhunting? Clarify please because Nik did all the work yesterday and today is LOL_masonry.

CJ is town you twit.

So yeah Apok is scum CJ is town when do we get to start killing scumbags masons?
Can we lynch WLC now or now-er?

Consider our vote essentially on Nikanor, but I want to advance to Step 2 before a lynch.

wut

Since you're mafia, you DO have a vested interest in finding cult players. Can you enlighten me on how your statement makes sense? You took my quote out of context by the way. I had just finished summarizing WLC's 8 posts from Day 1 in that series of posts, which were nearly exclusively gunning for an ooba lynch. Who turns out not to be a player particularly dangerous to the Black Lanterns. So tell me. Since you agreed with my analysis on how cultists play, how does WLC's play suggest cult?

I'm not mafia. Or cult for that matter.
I'm just a normal superperson among giants.

off the top of my head: he's active lurking, here but not doing much of anything tbh, jumping on pre-formed wagons, not stepping on anyone's toes. Basically ooba's guide to CR hunting is correct, IIRC.


Lyncher.
lol.

If you can prove toasty is lying, or dishonest, state so.

This.

Usually I get good feelings from GW despite his lurkiness.
He's making more excuses than usual for his absence.
Leaning scum* on him too.

*MAFIA, SPECIFICALLY, KAST.

BB is town. SKYPEMAFIA TELLS WHEEEEEE

and I don't like anything that Andrius has posted this Day.

Well, that's too bad

idgaf if you don't "like" my posts

.

To the best of my knowledge skimming, the only softclaiming that you've done is that you roleblocked Andrius (??), so I'm curious bored about how you get from there to saying he's 100% not cult recruiter.

I can't say one way or the other if I was RB'd or not, so.
As in I have no way of knowing.

Getting bored. We can probably win just through PoE.

Yes we can.

Does anyone know if the cultists died with the cult leader in Blackest Night?

No we wouldn't have.







Posting will prob. be less now because sleepdeprived and overcommitted but yeah.

-AKW

[tanstalas]

Unless I was misdirected andy is one hundred percent not cr. Though he could be mafia

What are you talking about and how do you know this?

I don't think I need to reveal yet, if I die you should be able to figure it out.

[Andrius]

Unless I was misdirected andy is one hundred percent not cr. Though he could be mafia

What are you talking about and how do you know this?

I don't think I need to reveal yet, if I die you should be able to figure it out.

I tinfoil-might understand but yeah hush-hush.

[tanstalas]

If TT and Andy are town.. this will be fucking funny tonight

[Andrius]

If TT and Andy are town.. this will be fucking funny tonight

If you make us lovers I'm going to kick a baby.

[ToastyToast]

If TT and Andy are town.. this will be fucking funny tonight

If you make us lovers I'm going to kick a baby.

but it'll be

our

baby

[Andrius]

CHESSKID?

[Andrius]

Yes that's the best thing I could come up with ATM.
Besides trolling saruman and nyancat of course.

And of course, IMMA DEVILJHO

[Mr Subliminal]

VHESSKID?

[Kast]

This is terrible logic. You are basing assumptions about whether people are town or scum, (here, tans is town, and you list lists vezok as scum) based on your presumed knowledge of Andrius alignment which has not yet revealed and I strongly believe to be town. This means your chaining lynches and clearing other people for no apparent reason based on your own read which is probably incorrect.

Your argument here boils down to:

It's illogical to draw conclusions based on your own reads.

If you genuinely believe this, then I really don't know what to say. Obviously, if I'm wrong about Andy, then everything that is dependent on that assumption is no longer valid.

I don't really read your posts, I just make lists.

I don't understand...is this a joke?

[inHimshallibe]

Not really. I read a few of your openers, decided you spent a lot of words saying very little, so I just read the first few words or so of a paragraph, and read further if I think it requires such.

[nopointinactingup]

@Kast: I think BB's fine, considering he just replaced in
@inhim: Why is CJ, Andy and Kast in your list of baddies? Your list of town looks legit though

[PeregrineV]

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FOS: Peregrine

You list you suspects here:

More suspicious of:
WLC
Apok
Tant
Andrius

But your first post in the game is this vote on us with no reasoning and you seem to abandon it all together. It reads like you're talking out of your ass when listing people you think are anti-town or not. Not to mention the fact you seem anti-MrSub who at that time was claiming to be able to break the game.

Caught up.

Read everything through night with ooba/Toog flips, will go through with new flips. Until that's done,

Vote: CandleJack

@MrSub- Why claim? I don't feel like the game was broken, so not sure why you did it

It was only the first readthrough, and my suspicions on you were great enough to vote you. Since then, more day has occurred, and more posts have been posted, so you're now more town to me than before.

As for MrSub, I'm not really anti-him yet, I just wanted to know why he claimed. Why would his claim help the town more than the mafia (or cult) at this point?

Also, as I am finding Kast largely townish,

Why?

Because I agree with ~85% of what he said so far. That obviously drops the more we play, but I find the thought processes to be familiar. Taking that in conjunction with my own alignment, I find him highly townish.

[PeregrineV]

I'll be out of town and posting/reading will be null/minimal during this time.

V/LA Friday Aug 12 to Mon Aug 15

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 2.1.4: NOW WITH CAPSLOCK (BUT NO RAGE)

Apokaylptika (5)

- nopointinactingup, zMuffinMan, Candle Jack, inHimshallibe, PEREGRINE V

WeyounsLastClone (4)

- Friend, tanstalas, Ghostwriter, ANDRIUS

ToastyToast (1)

- Oversoul

Mr. Subliminal (1)

- WeyounsLastClone

hiplop (1)

- Nikanor

Candle Jack (1)

- Apokalyptika

Blackberry (1)

- Kast

Not Voting (5) - Blackberry, Mr. Subliminal, vezokpiraka, ToastyToast, hiplop

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch and 10 to no lynch.

PEREGRINE V: VLA ACKNOWLEDGED


V/LAs:

Ghostwriter: 08/12 - 08/15
vezokpiraka: 08/09 - 08/14
PeregrineV: 8/12 - 8/15
WLC: 8/12 - 8/15


Deadline for the first lynch expires in:

(expired on 2011-08-22 09:30:00)

EDIT: Please respect Rule #9:

Do not quote any PMs you receive from the mods. If you claim, you may rewrite your role PM in your own words to justify your position if you wish, but if you directly quote your PM, you will be modkilled.

This includes copying the color tag in your PM.

Discussion of the color itself is allowed, but please do not get too technical or fish in that direction. Colors were for flavor purposes, and using exact color details is tantamount to quoting your role PM. Supplying exact shades of colors, hex values, or anything resembling them will result in modkills at all points following this post. This was your warning.

[Andrius]

Supplying exact shades of colors, hex values, or anything resembling them will result in modkills at all points following this post. This was your warning.

lol more breakage.

[WeyounsLastClone]

@mod, I'll be V/LA from tomorrow until Monday (15 Aug)