Open 319: Jungle Republic - Day 5: Calamity *GAME OVER*

[Thor665]

@DK - you're accusing me of bad play?

::crickets::

And, yes, I'm trying to get Ray lynched in every post I make. You're not the only one who noticed it, I noticed it too, because I'm quite blatantly saying in every post that I want people to help me lynch Ray.

Though right at the moment I'm seriously almost tempted to flip on Blindfaeth - and you ducking my question about why you were happy to see him helps me not at all in that regard. The suddenness of the reversal of his reads is pretty shocking, and I want to know more about his play style. So how about you pretend to be pro-town for a little while and tell me you opinions of how Blindfaeth plays the game?

[Shadowmod]

TheFool (2/7) - CMPunk , DonJosh , DeityKabuto , whispersilk Sky (0/7) - FightingShadow DeityKabuto (0/7) - DeityKabuto , DonJosh , blindfaeth , CMPunk , Sky , BBmolla , TheFool CMPunk (3/7) - Sky , FightingShadow , Ray Montano , Sky whispersilk (0/7) - DeityKabuto DonJosh (0/7) - DeityKabuto The Tick (0/7) - whispersilk Ray Montano (5/7) - Thor665 , The Tick , DeityKabuto , TheFool , FightingShadow , DeityKabuto , TheFool , CMPunk , BBmolla , blindfaeth Thor665 (1/7) - blindfaeth , DeityKabuto Not Voting (1/12): The Tick With 12 Players alive it requires 7 Votes to lynch / 6 to nolynch. Deadline will be reached on Thursday August 18th 2011, 6:00 p.m. Forum Time [UTC-6].

(expired on 2011-08-18 18:00:00)

till Day 1 Deadline

[TheFool]

Reads!

BBmolla - townish. Reads are explained and rational. I like post 419, and agree that the game could use a wider focus.

blindfaeth - leaning scum. The recent switch to Ray is odd, considering the rationale leading up to it mostly agrees with Ray? Interested in his further thoughts on BB.

CMPunk - lurky, but null. Don't see a scummy intent there.

DK - null read due to my inability to read. Others who have played with him before claim that he's reading townie in this game, I guess? Id be fine with lynching him; not sure what to do if I end up in LyLo with him..

DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

FightingShadow - pro-town beginnings, but then falls off the map. Need more content!

Ray - scummy, as detailed previously.

Sky - pro-town, good play so far.

The Tick/tyhess - townlike. tyhess's play was a bit off, mostly distracted with seer-theory and bickering with DK (don't blame him there), but I like his unvote when he thought Ray was at L-1. The Tick reads well to me so far.

Thor - nuetral leaning town. Actively scumhunting and generating discussion.

whispersilk - neutral leaning scum, see post 324.

[DonJosh]

[quote="TheFool"
DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

[/quote]
I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

[The Tick]

DeityKabuto, Bro you're hopping like a kangaroo on speed. You've gone from suspecting Ray Montano to TheFool to Thor in just the span of a COUPLE PAGES. Scum or not, that's just insanity.

And you're still on notice for having breakdowns when in the hotseat. Whisper says that's just how you play--it's still destructive to the town.

WITH THAT SAID, Thor's case on Montano was pretty much baseless. What did he, or anybody for that matter, have on the guy? It started out as a random wagon, then the wagon was "justified" by Montano's lack of scumhunting...n1 scumhunting. Jesus Christ. Okay yeah, being active is important, but give it a damn PHASE at least to see if someone is really just dicking around. I mean come on...

I even think that if Montano had hit L-1, everybody would've backed off out of fear of a mislynch. Then we'd be right back to square one.

(And is it just me or does Thor remind anybody else of Gaston from Beauty in the Beast? I've been reading all his posts in Gaston's voice for some reason.)

Thor and DK are my scumreads right now. The only town read is CM Punk. Don't mean to sound sexist, but she has a similar post style to many female Mafia newbies I've seen when playing. You know. Spunky, headstrong, but doesn't say too much unless the thread is really heated.

Plus her feud with Triple H has been pretty cool so far. Too bad Raw's ratings still suck.

Are you one of those retard subs?

No way in hell is CMPunk a confirmed Town on your read.

And if you were to post your reads, why only CM, Thor, and I

?

Cause those are the only reads I've gotten so far. Isn't it obvious?

I would throw down a vote, but since you accuse me of vote hopping, I will stay my vote on him.

If you REALLY weren't trying to vote hop, you wouldn't have even acknowledged my accusation. NOW, you wanna keep a vote after I called you out on it.

So you WERE vote hopping. I could chalk it up to a few things:

1. Inexperience (unsure how to approach the game) - You said before you know how this game works, so that can't be it.

2. Easily Swayed - You seem like a guy in touch with his emotions. It's possible you just vote based on whatever strikes you hardest at the moment. We've all done it.

3. Flying Under Radar - You could be Scum. By changing your vote alot, you can be active without having to pretend to hunt or get your hands too dirty. And nobody could accuse you of any Anti-Town actions.

I just wish that I could vote multiple people at once, that how I feel right now, if I could it would be you...

So you suspect me, huh? Is it cause you don't trust my read on Punk? Or cause I targeted you?

Call me retarded all you want, bro. But you know, you still haven't explained why you went berserk when questioned.

And they were pretty innocent questions, too.

I understand you're an emotional guy, but surely you can recollect yourself in the time it takes to type a whole post. I mean, I do it all the time when the internet makes me upset.

For someone to get so frazzled by questioning sounds a little defeatist--like you're scared you might answer wrong, so you avoid answering entirely.

[DonJosh]

[quote=]"TheFool"
DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

[/quote]
I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Damn quotes

[DonJosh]

DonJosh - iffy. Wants to policy lynch DK, but isn't much for meta? Something feels off about his play, can't put my finger on it.

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

GODDAMMIT

You could also ask me to fix broken tags for you.

- Shadow -

[blindfaeth]

Sorry for my absence today~ I simply don't have the time for the BB iso

Yoohoo, whisper.. where are you?? You are making me so incredibly nervous....

[DeityKabuto]

@DK - you're accusing me of bad play?

::crickets::

And, yes, I'm trying to get Ray lynched in every post I make. You're not the only one who noticed it, I noticed it too, because I'm quite blatantly saying in every post that I want people to help me lynch Ray.

Though right at the moment I'm seriously almost tempted to flip on Blindfaeth - and you ducking my question about why you were happy to see him helps me not at all in that regard. The suddenness of the reversal of his reads is pretty shocking, and I want to know more about his play style. So how about you pretend to be pro-town for a little while and tell me you opinions of how Blindfaeth plays the game?

w.e

if Ray gets mis-lynched, than beware, I will scold you for it, so if you dare, go ahead and try and make it happen.

[Thor665]

Considering you're voting me and I'm definitely town - you're even more scold worthy.

3rd time - What's your read on Blindfaeth's playstyle?

[DeityKabuto]

He just subbed in, I usually give subs Null-reads.

[Thor665]

What do you think of him as a player since you've played with him before? What type of player is he?

[DeityKabuto]

He is normal. He isn't anything special but he isn't Pro-town either. I did put trust in him after his Cop claim, and he didn't show an sign of being a VI. Normal, just normal...

[blindfaeth]

Alright here goes. I will try my best to explain what did not sit well with me. Keep in mind that I think/agree that the majority of BB's thoughts/ideas etc are pro-town, it is just a creeping feeling that he is trying too hard to appear noble/townie or whatever.

Hi everyone

Could someone explain this seemingly random policy lynch for DeityKabuto?

If possible I'd like to avoid a policy lynch, as generally it's a wasted lynch that the town gains nothing from.

Also, just so I know a bit about everyone:
1. What's your prior experience with Mafia at this site? At others Sites? With other players in this game?
2. If a Seer found a werewolf on the first night, would it be better to claim and get a werewolf lynched or not claim and hope they can find the other werewolf before they are killed?

You don't have to answer these, but it'd be much appreciated. I just like to get to know a bit of history as well as their philosophy about a certain part of the game because it can change how I read people.

I guess I had two problems with your first post; the first being the part I bolded. (Mind you, it was difficult narrowing down why that paragraph bothered me. It just seemed like the first sentence, a "why is this policy lynch going on" was all that was necessary. But you felt the need to throw in the "the town usually doesnt benefit from policy lynches" thing.)

The second problem I had was that you didn't answer your own questions immediately thereafter. I appreciate that you complied when I asked you to do so, however.

A lot of hostility in this game.

Vote DeityKabuto

@Deity: Could you explain this for me? Voting yourself never helps anyone.

Also tyhess could you possibly get an avatar?

Post 2 - Kind of the same as above, the addition of "self votes don't ever help" just doesn't read genuinely. This and the next post just made me feel as though you were laying back and acting like you were contributing... and bringing more attention onto DK. To be fair, though, I think part of the reason this kind of thing bothers me so much is because I just find the DK suspicion so ridiculous.

Oh wow, I thought DK was playing how he was because he was new. As an experienced player, his play is extremely questionable.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

Ok so then you vote DK. Not damning, the kid could be suspicious. But I'm more quoting this as a reference for later. The real thing I have a problem with is this post:

I really am willing to take the risk of DK being a VT. I still can't even fathom his kind of play with his 1000 posts. It doesn't add up.

I think I've already said this once this game (in reference to Thor suspecting Ray), but I'll say it again and again and again - because I don't understand you people xD

Why would someone ever want to lynch a townie?

A townsperson alive is ALWAYS better than a townsperson dead, IMO. Because how I read this post was, "I think DK is scum but if he turns up VT, I'm ok with that bc he is suspicious"

I really like post #177.

We are two real life days in. We are placing pressure on other players. Not a time for anyone to be a Dumba$$ and lynch, no matter how scummy i think someone is

I don't like your philosophy in #175 tyhess. You're saying we shouldn't lynch someone, even if they are the scummiest player alive, just because we're two days in? DK isn't the scummiest player, but he is scummy. And I feel that time is irrelevent when you think someone is scum. I mean what's the point of voting DK if you're just gonna unvote before the hammer?

Keeping an eye on you tyhess.

My vote stays on DK.

This is probably the post of yours I disagree with the most. I strongly disliked post 177, and I think 175 was actually one of the few posts of tyhess that I liked! Another thing I've said before and I'll say again, I really enjoy all the extra time we have to discuss and figure things out. I know you and Thor disagree, but I don't think it was the time to hammer. The point of voting someone and bringing them close to lynch is to see how people react. Sometimes you find save so and so bandwagons, and sometimes it makes them speak more or work hard to prove why they aren't lynchworthy and you can decide from there. Claims too. Etc etc

Ok. so then here you think Thor and Ray are both town. Here, you insist that DK is bad. But then you flip and decide DK is cool. Vanish for 2 days. And decide that Ray is bad now, and DK is looking better and better. Whether or not this is a baddie move, I am extremely interested in a more detailed look into your head regarding this because it was not super thoroughly explained. I get that the back and forth you highlighted between Thor and Ray was what changed your mind. But why the changed mind on DK? Honestly I have a bad feeling it was because he wasn't on the chopping block any longer and no one was buying a hot plate of DK quick lynch.

And really, you had null reads on everyone else at that point?

Ok, I have to unexpectedly leave so I have to end this. But I'll say that additionally, kind of how Thor thinks it's weird Ray finds him town albeit suspecting him, your similar move makes me a little nervous. I'm definitely open minded and am eager to hear your response. But yeah, I did the best I could to explain why your pro town play was bothering me hope it made sense. Until later guys -

[whispersilk]

Sorry. I will be around tonight. Weekends are a little tough for me right now. Can't devote that much time to online stuff.

[TheFool]

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Isn't meta the only basis for a policy lynch?

Do you have previous experience with DK?

[DeityKabuto]

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Isn't meta the only basis for a policy lynch?

Do you have previous experience with DK?

No he doesn't.

Well, I've played games with thousands of people ITT-wide, and I do not recall any interactions with this guy. '-'

[DonJosh]

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Isn't meta the only basis for a policy lynch?

Do you have previous experience with DK?

No he doesn't.

Well, I've played games with thousands of people ITT-wide, and I do not recall any interactions with this guy. '-'

I've played half a game with DK (I replaced out)
IIRC, you are correct, there were no interactions with me directly. But I still dislike your playstyle.
Besides,
1. The policy lynch was during RVS
2. This.

[DeityKabuto]

I meant I don't like using meta to build a case or read.

Isn't meta the only basis for a policy lynch?

Do you have previous experience with DK?

No he doesn't.

Well, I've played games with thousands of people ITT-wide, and I do not recall any interactions with this guy. '-'

I've played half a game with DK (I replaced out)
IIRC, you are correct, there were no interactions with me directly. But I still dislike your playstyle.
Besides,
1. The policy lynch was during RVS
2. This.

I can't improve by turning my attention span to ______ and doing less off ______.

Fill in the blanks.

[BBmolla]

@Blind: Your case is good. It's wrong, but it's good.

I guess I had two problems with your first post; the first being the part I bolded. (Mind you, it was difficult narrowing down why that paragraph bothered me. It just seemed like the first sentence, a "why is this policy lynch going on" was all that was necessary. But you felt the need to throw in the "the town usually doesnt benefit from policy lynches" thing.)

The second problem I had was that you didn't answer your own questions immediately thereafter. I appreciate that you complied when I asked you to do so, however.

I was just emphasizing a point, that I didn't want a policy lynch to go through. I asked what the purpose of the policy lynch was, and proceeded on with giving my personal opinion on them. That's all I can really say about that.

The forgetting to answer the questions was just that. I wasn't avoiding them I legitimately forgot about them. After posting that I had meant to respond in my next post, but I got preoccupied and forgot about it.

Post 2 - Kind of the same as above, the addition of "self votes don't ever help" just doesn't read genuinely. This and the next post just made me feel as though you were laying back and acting like you were contributing... and bringing more attention onto DK. To be fair, though, I think part of the reason this kind of thing bothers me so much is because I just find the DK suspicion so ridiculous.

DK's play didn't make sense to me. Self voting never helps anyone. It's the truth. And at first I thought he was a newb-town because of this, which will explain some stuff you addressed later.

I think I've already said this once this game (in reference to Thor suspecting Ray), but I'll say it again and again and again - because I don't understand you people xD

Why would someone ever want to lynch a townie?

A townsperson alive is ALWAYS better than a townsperson dead, IMO. Because how I read this post was, "I think DK is scum but if he turns up VT, I'm ok with that bc he is suspicious"

You're misreading my post. I didn't want him lynched even if he was a townie. I was willing to take the risk of him being a townie. The difference is I saw too possible paths.
1. We lynch him and he turns up scum. We continue happily as our gamble paid off.
2. We lynch him and he turns up town. The gamble failed but it was worth the risk.

At that point in time, I couldn't fathom him being town. Seriously. Self voting and such as an experienced player? That's insane. I mean I realize now that DK is always like this, but at that point it was ridiculous.

This is probably the post of yours I disagree with the most. I strongly disliked post 177, and I think 175 was actually one of the few posts of tyhess that I liked! Another thing I've said before and I'll say again, I really enjoy all the extra time we have to discuss and figure things out. I know you and Thor disagree, but I don't think it was the time to hammer. The point of voting someone and bringing them close to lynch is to see how people react. Sometimes you find save so and so bandwagons, and sometimes it makes them speak more or work hard to prove why they aren't lynchworthy and you can decide from there. Claims too. Etc etc

I trust my gut a lot. I like to get reads off of how people react, whether it be to who died or how someone flipped when lynched. You obviously like to have 20 page day ones so you can get perfect reads on everyone. That's fine. I personally am never a fan of D1 cause it's almost always a ML.
Also, I think at that point in time DK had a really crappy defense and I wasn't a fan, which is why I agreed with 177.

Ok. so then here you think Thor and Ray are both town. Here, you insist that DK is bad. But then you flip and decide DK is cool. Vanish for 2 days. And decide that Ray is bad now, and DK is looking better and better. Whether or not this is a baddie move, I am extremely interested in a more detailed look into your head regarding this because it was not super thoroughly explained. I get that the back and forth you highlighted between Thor and Ray was what changed your mind. But why the changed mind on DK? Honestly I have a bad feeling it was because he wasn't on the chopping block any longer and no one was buying a hot plate of DK quick lynch.

It was quite literally the moment where I noticed he wasn't a newb player. DK newb-town made sense. DK vet-town did not. After his wall of text, I changed my mind. It wasn't just that, it was all the posts after it. He just became townier. Also, it was in combination with the fact that I realized this was his playstyle. That was a big part of it.

And really, you had null reads on everyone else at that point?

No one had posted anything really substancial, so yes.
I'm going to ISO everyone today and get some reads.

[Shadowmod]

FightingShadow has not posted for 66 hours and will receive his second official prod.
Ray Montano has not posted for 49 hours. I will give him till tomorrow morning, then he will gain an official prod as well.

TheFool (2/7) - CMPunk , DonJosh , DeityKabuto , whispersilk Sky (0/7) - FightingShadow DeityKabuto (0/7) - DeityKabuto , DonJosh , blindfaeth , CMPunk , Sky , BBmolla , TheFool CMPunk (3/7) - Sky , FightingShadow , Ray Montano , Sky whispersilk (0/7) - DeityKabuto DonJosh (0/7) - DeityKabuto The Tick (0/7) - whispersilk Ray Montano (5/7) - Thor665 , The Tick , DeityKabuto , TheFool , FightingShadow , DeityKabuto , TheFool , CMPunk , BBmolla , blindfaeth Thor665 (1/7) - blindfaeth , DeityKabuto Not Voting (1/12): The Tick With 12 Players alive it requires 7 Votes to lynch / 6 to nolynch. Deadline will be reached on Thursday August 18th 2011, 6:00 p.m. Forum Time [UTC-6].

(expired on 2011-08-18 18:00:00)

till Day 1 Deadline

[DeityKabuto]

Thor if Ray happens to be lynched and flips Town, do you think you would deserve the blame?

[blindfaeth]

Thanks for the response -

@The Tick, just curious why have you refrained from voting up to this point and do you have any other reads?

Still waiting to hear from whisper.... did Ray disappear too?

Having dinner with family back later

[DonJosh]

I was reading Thor's ISO, and I agree with pretty much all his points. However, looking at the wagon, all my scum reads are on it.

UNVOTE: TheFool
VOTE: CMPunk

[DonJosh]

I can't improve by turning my attention span to ______ and doing less off ______.

Fill in the blanks.

Please explain. It may just be me, but this makes absolutely no sense.