My Little Pony Mafia - GENOCIDAL FRIENDSHIP PONIES

[Primate]

So Primate isn't neighborizer. Because if he was, LC would be confirmed scum and you would know why.

It's day 3.

[Charlie]

Katsuki needs a megadose of the orbital friendship canon.

[Jahudo]

So Primate isn't neighborizer. Because if he was, LC would be confirmed scum and you would know why.

how would LC be confirmed scum if primate is the second neighborizer?

Day actions can't be watched at night.

[hohum]

So Primate isn't neighborizer. Because if he was, LC would be confirmed scum and you would know why.

how would LC be confirmed scum if primate is the second neighborizer?

Day actions can't be watched at night.

Why are you assuming any of this took place during the day?

[Jahudo]

So its day neighbors? I don't see what's so powerful about that.

[Jahudo]

Eh, to explain what I thought was going on: The mod said my power is resolved at the end of the day so theoretically no night action can watch/block/redirect/etc it. It makes sense as a general quality of the role. You want the people to talk through the night and not have to wait until the following night in order for it to happen.

So I figured it this second neighborizer is someone who gives X people a QT for X time at night, it had to follow the guidelines mine did. Apparently the differences between these two roles is even greater than that, so really there's no point in comparing the two as "both neighborizers". Mine wasn't called neighborizer specifically, the other one probably doesn't either. I say it is because its the easiest way of classifying it. Clearly these two roles were meant to both be in the "linked roles" category without having to have a standard definition.

That makes it more likely for other roles to be hybrids or mutations on what we think as normal roles. That could be a point in LC's favor.

[Twilight Sparkle]

Day 3, Votecount #9

Pinkie Pie:

Charlie, inHimshallibe, hohum (L-2)

Inhimshallibe:

Jahudo, Feysal, Pinkie Pie (L-2)

LobsterCatapult:

[colorPinkie Pie

, Primate

Not voting:

GlaDOS, LobsterCatapult

Day 3 deadline

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-08-07 22:25:00), so that's the 8th of August at 3:25am Irish time. (Or 10:25 East Coast of America)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

[hohum]

Jahudo,

Since the cat is out of the bag I might as well pause here and explain something to you. Hopefully this will shed some light as to why I think you're scum-aligned.

The second neighborizer's mechanics are vastly different than yours are.

• Yours is a day-time action which takes effect at night. The second neighborizer is purely a night action.
  
• Your ability pairs two people together. The second neighborizer's ability pairs him or her with the target.
  
• The second neighborizer's role also accpmpanies a mod-confirmed alignment along with a QT link, so I know for a fact that he or she is in fact town.

You confirmed your role but managed to confirm nothing about your alignment nor CES'

[hohum]

I wonder who it was that got neighborized by our mysterious masked neighborizer on N2 and why they haven't claimed yet.

[Jahudo]

That's a masonizer. I assumed there wasn't any alignment confirmation going on otherwise I wouldn't have poked around like I did. Masons and neighbors in the same setup make more sense than two neighbors with different rules. His role could be seen as a reverse cop and mine could be used for unbreakable alliance talk. My role wasn't about confirming my alignment and I've never cared about that. I thought it showed an inconsistency just now but it didn't.

[hohum]

That's a masonizer. I assumed there wasn't any alignment confirmation going on otherwise I wouldn't have poked around like I did. Masons and neighbors in the same setup make more sense than two neighbors with different rules. His role could be seen as a reverse cop and mine could be used for unbreakable alliance talk. My role wasn't about confirming my alignment and I've never cared about that. I thought it showed an inconsistency just now but it didn't.

Why aren't you voting Pinkie?

[Primate]

Er, hohum, did you just reveal that other nightalker is confirmed innocent for absolutely no reason? GJ.

[hohum]

Er, hohum, did you just reveal that other nightalker is confirmed innocent for absolutely no reason? GJ.

I thought it was germane to the conversation. I'm sorry. I should probably have left it to her to claim that detail. Stupid of me.

[Primate]

You also just confirmed that you weren't targeted N2 by the masonizer, outing me as the role properly. Way to utterly fuck up, hohum. Get off the Pinky Pie wagon and lynch someone who's scum before you go full retard.

[Primate]

For fucks sake, I was trying to be ambigous. Way to let Jahudo bait you by speculating about it.

[Primate]

Unvote : Vote Jahudo

Git er done.

[hohum]

Unvote, Vote Jahudo

[hohum]

primate is mad at me

[Charlie]

Dat avatar change.

[Jahudo]

I'm still confused about who you apparently outed as confirmed town. Its your own fault for making me think it was a second neighborizer. If you are going to use the term, know what it represents. Otherwise leave it as a second linked power.

[Primate]

Jahudo, in Faradays game, Operation Redux, vezok was a neighboriser and targeted you. How did his role work?

Honest question, the role pm was never posted, and I can only see hints of it around.

[Jahudo]

Objection Redux oh yeah. That setup was made by Faraday after sykedoc abandoned the original game. From what I remember, and a quick scan of the game: Vezok was a neighborizer that picked one player to pair up with himself each night. I didn't get a QT with him so it looks like his was a night action and I was NK'ed so it failed.

So it looks like a hybrid of the two powers: on one hand used a night action to pair with one player, on the other hand he wouldn't get alignment confirmed.

But honestly I wasn't trying to bait hohum. He made it seem like there was no alignment business in the second role because he called it neighborizer. Neighbor is always unconfirmed. Mason is sometimes confirmed, sometimes unconfirmed. So a one-way confirmed is still a mason.

[Primate]

Eh, no. A role that targets a person at night and has their alignment confirmed to them is called a Friendly Neighbor. It's a old IRC role and searching the site for it shows that there still are still plenty of people referring to a role that confirms it's innocence to the other player (talking is not uncommon, but not standard).

You're arguing semantics when the two roles clearly occupy the same design space.

PS: Jahudo, why do pro-town neighbourizers need the ability to avoid the watch of pro-town watchers?

[Jahudo]

No on you. Friendly Neighbors don't get night talk. Its not a linked role. It ends at a message from the mod to the player he targets, saying this guy is confirmed. Its a variation on Innocent Child. It has nothing in common with neighborizer and people don't get the two mixed up.

Avoiding the watcher is probably and unintended side-effect for this particular setup. It's actual value is in avoiding roleblocks and redirects.

[Jahudo]

I'm beginning to think hohum is scum by virtue of making these errors in judgement (confusing the roles, outing the second role and making me look like the one who forced his hand). Now I gotta rethink my read on him.

(Pinkie is still a gamble lynch btw)