Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[glowball]

Ray, why the unvote for Kendall, if you think she is scum then she is scum. So wtf?

[SpyreX]

Don't be ridiculous you know players are more dangerous based on their ability to manipulate and talk their way out of things. DJ =/= Umbrage on terms of threat level.

Yea and he's really showing some serious "danger".

I have forged a sword out of raw awesome and it can cut through actual dangers versus ""Ohh he's dangeroussss (he's not)"

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 1-10

Beefster

(1)- jmurph3,

bobsnox

(0)-

Bogre

(0)-

chkflip

(0)-

diddin

(0)-

DonJosh

(9)- Flavour Analysis, SnakeSide, glowball, NanookTheWolf, SpyreX, Rainbowdash, Bogre, SodaSpirit17, PeregrineV,

Flavour Analysis

(1)- Beefster,

FourseenCircumstance

(0)-

glowball

(0)-

hiraki

(1)- bobsnox,

inHimshallibe

(2)- Umbrage, DonJosh,

jmurph3

(0)-

mb53

(0)-

mikehart

(1)- hiraki,

NanookTheWolf

(0)-

OpposedForce

(2)- chkflip, FourseenCirumstance,

PeregrineV

(1)-

Rainbowdash

(0)-

Ray Montano

(0)-

Silver1337

(0)-

SnakeSide

(0)-

SodaSpirit17

(0)-

SpyreX

(0)-

Umbrage (3)- inHimshallibe, diddin, Ray Montano,

Not Voting (3)- Silver1337, mikehart, mb53,


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch. Deadline is August 18th at 1pm EST

[Ray Montano]

Ray, why the unvote for Kendall, if you think she is scum then she is scum. So wtf?

1. I would never continue a vote on a replacement on D1. ESPECIALLY if that replacement is a good one.
2. I think I've stated multiple times my vote on kendall was placeholder.

So I don't know where your confusion is coming from, but its misplaced.

[Rainbowdash]

I looked through and can't see inHim being daykilled. Might be 'cuz I'm tired. x) Will reread tomorrow... again.
Why is everything voting DonJosh all of a sudden? I don't think he's done anything too scummy. A bit lurky like me, but that's not a scumtell, it's a way of playing. Nothing I've seen him post is scummy.

Hmmm I need some input:

Is this a cheeky scumbag playing dumb town exceptionally well?

Haven't decided yet, but I think it means no Silver-kendall pairing, not that it was really all that likely before but this just double eliminates it. Not too used to somepony else taking paying attention bait so need to look back at some stuff. This may be a slight town tell at the end of it. At least affirming that Beefy dies before him.

@FA - Well given ponies reactions so far, they are going to assume im an alt regardless of what I say in response to that question. None of that should really change how you ponies judge me though, im a competent player and all of you ponies should treat me as such. Also not voting Beefy over Umbrage and DJ at this point, although he is on the shortest of the short lists. People make good points on DJ, and the memberage of the wagon alone is enough to make me very receptive of that wagon.

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: Ray Montano

ok Hiraki. You're still scum but I have more scumvibes from Ray. Care to join?

[SodaSpirit17]

Why isn't Kendall dead yet?

Seriously JohnDon and you are the only ones on its replacement. Is anyone else seeing something?

So Umbra any other suspects besides kendall/inhim

What do you think of Don?

[OpposedForce]

Okay sorry. I'll re-read what's happened so far this game.

Unvote

if there's a vote from me thus far.

[Hiraki]

Since these backanaros can't find scum,

yes.

Unvote, Vote: RayMontano

[inHimshallibe]

unvote

Almost done, compiling a list. Gotta do stuff at work first, but almooooost done.

[Bogre]

UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: Ray Montano

ok Hiraki. You're still scum but I have more scumvibes from Ray. Care to join?

This doesn't look like you actually think he's scum, more like providing a way to drop the attack.

[Hiraki]

He is, but this is usual bobsnox.

So it's okay.

[bobsnox]

hiraki - lol

bogre - I really do.

[Umbrage]

Are there really people who think DonJosh is scum? That guy reeks of town.

If you're really going to be idiots about kendall, then kill bobsnox. Look at how he's throwing his vote around. He's chatting with people, trying to look more active than he really is. He's not kendall's level of scum, but he's still got a greater than 50% chance of flipping some sort of scum.

[Hiraki]

Bobs isn't scum.

[Beefster]

Any posts in particular that make you feel "iffy?"

In general:
-Posts where they ask questions to several people at once.
-They aren't really putting their money where their mouths are.
-I feel like FA has been asking all the questions, but has done little to formulate their own opinion. There's been a lot of surveying from them, but very little actual scumhunting; most of their questions have been indirect.

Specific posts:
Post 152- A post of some reads. Analyzes a mostly RVS wagon and then proceeds to vote Umbrage with little cohesion. Presses to get players posting- not necessarily pro-town.
Post 161- Says that bob is scummier, but continues a vote on Umbrage. What?
Post 245- I don't like their point on DonJosh. They make little mention to Umbrage after that point.
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For meta purposes: who are FA's heads?
I forgot to ask that earlier.

-I do that to spread my leads out, and to develop my reads. This is D1 so I won't have specific reasons to ask a smaller pool of people questions.
-We have, it's just that both our voting targets hadn't either a). Responded to our pressure or b.) Posted content after committing the action which was suspicious (IE: Donjosh)
-After the Kendall wars, I tried to re-direct the town towards good discussion, instead of more Kendall garbage. I have done enough to formulate my opinion.Then what is your opinion?

Post 152

- Analyzing the RVS wagon, how is this scummy? Voting Umbrage instead of Bob at the time, why is this scummy? Pressing for activity, how is that scummy? I feel like the post lacked cohesion. Your shortest paragraph seemed to be on your scumreads and you wrote a lot more about your null reads. I don't really understand why you wouldn't vote your top scum suspect. (Actually most of that point was recapping the post; I thought it was self explanatory. Never mind that, I have a weird thought process.)

Post 161

- If you saw it refuted, why exactly don't you understand the logic? Why haven't you asked me about it? Why didn't you just explain your logic right there. Nice dodging, I must say.

Post 245

- Why didn't you like the point on DJ, and how is that scummy? At the time I voted Umby, I voted him for his second post into the game (which he just posted). I was expecting a reply to my vote, but never got one (I didn't know he was VI, thought he would have done better seeing the 2010 join date), and I moved on to looking at opportunistic scum. [Donjosh, Ninty, Mikehard] How is this scummy?
I don't understand why you think his comment was a "reaching attack." I find it incredibly odd that you make the vote on the shortest paragraphed player. It looks like you have a better case on the other players you addressed, yet you voted none of them. Buddying?

Stop asking "How is this scummy?" You can't just write off every point by making it look like it isn't a legitimate point.

Hydra is Ranmaru/July.

Questions for you

:

What is your read on Mb53? Leaning scum.
What is your read on Glowball? Town.
What is your read on Rainbow Dash? Leaning scum. I don't exactly know how to explain it, though.
What is your read on Mike Hard? Town. Nothing he has done strikes me as genuinely scummy.
What is your read on Snakeside? I don't recall any posts from him, so Null for now.

Responses in Out of Character Commentary
Your questions to me demonstrate exactly what I was talking about. Nearly all of the questions you've been asking are on people's reads, and only a few of your questions have been about people's actions. I really don't like this.
I don't feel like you've been building cases; it looks more like you say a few words about a player, vote them, then pretend like that never happened and go back to your surveying. There's little cohesion between your posts.

[Beefster]

BTW: my read on PeregrineV regarding mb53's post was in reference to this post full of wisdom and win. It was a half-joke, meaning I legitimately think Peregrine is town, due to meta, though I'm still open to changing my opinion.

[bobsnox]

I could go for an Umbrage lynch after the deflection and "why isn't kendall dead yet?" comment

[Beefster]

DonJosh

(9)- Flavour Analysis, SnakeSide, glowball, NanookTheWolf, SpyreX, Rainbowdash, Bogre, SodaSpirit17, PeregrineV

The DonJosh wagon reeks of scum. Particularly FA, Bogre, RD, Soda, and SnakeSide in descending scumminess.

I'm leaning scum on SnakeSide. I've seen plenty of SnakePlissken's play, though not much of farside. It looks like farside is the dominant head, so I'm not gonna rely much on meta.

[diddin]

Beefster is town.

DJ wagon is kinda good, but filled with bad people.

Umbrage, you know kendall got replaced right?

[inHimshallibe]

bobsnox isn't dead yet?


sadface

[inHimshallibe]

k e n d a l l wagon was terrible.

[inHimshallibe]

k e n d a l l wagon was terrible.

[glowball]

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

[SodaSpirit17]

JohnDon- when you come back I want to hear your opinions on kendall and Umbra. Ya haven't 'been here' in awhile so I want to see where you stand amidst this mess.