TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[ThAdmiral]

Well I don't see any reason to pick up where I left off yesterday. I still think andrew deserves more attention.

vote: andrew

[Nero Cain]

These are all from Junpei

480-

Town would never claim third party. So either he is third party hoping that we will go with him and allow him to win, or he is scum trying to go under the radar and not get lynched.

487-

And I will continue to scumhunt, however I don't see myself shifting away from a confirmed non-town.

504-

If he is third party/scum (he is confirmed one of those)

538-

or go for the confirmed non-town who claims to be a roleblocker?

545-

You'd leave someone confirmed to be a wild-card third party

664-

not town

BUT THEN....

1277-

I don't believe you're guaranteed thirdparty/mafia just the most likely out of all our options.

I like how this stance changes once Zinger was close to getting lynched + her Silver connections irk me.

Silver shoulda still been our lynch yesterday so...

vote:Silver

[hiplop]

VOTE: silver

[Junpei]

Just woke up, but Nero I obviously (as proven by his flip) can't say he is confirmed. It just is my way of saying I strongly strongly believe that he is third party or mafia. You took what I said out of context, as during that time Zinger was yelling at me saying "how do you think I'm _confirmed_?"

[Rodion]

Drmyshottyizsik, can you give us something to work with? Reads, perhaps?

Banshee, I answered your case against me back in D1.

VOTE: Meransiel

[Nero Cain]

Just woke up, but Nero I obviously (as proven by his flip) can't say he is confirmed. It just is my way of saying I strongly strongly believe that he is third party or mafia. You took what I said out of context, as during that time Zinger was yelling at me saying "how do you think I'm _confirmed_?"

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I don't think its fair to use his flip to defend things you said pre-flip. Fact of the matter is You believed for the majority of day 1 that Zinger was confirmed scum but when he was close to getting lynched your stance on him changed. I don't see how that's out of context.

How do you feel about a Silver lynch?

[Junpei]

Nero you're doing that thing where you ignore the bit at the end that proves that it is out of context, did you not see what I wrote? Go rereading the convo I was having with Zinger at the time.

How do I feel about a Silver lynch? Well my notes are messy, but I believe silver used Hydra dissonance and tunneled on Pine until after I said that he was afk all day during Setal's speed mafia. but that had been over quite some time before I posted that, and it suggests that Silver was using Pine's afk replace out as a scumtell and a pillar for the lynch without actually checking up on if he was doing anything of the sort in other games and to what nature it was.

So I think that Silver is most likely scum. However I don't like how quickly people jump to it, I assume that everyone's logic is the same as mine, but what about Andrew and ZeL1nK? Both have done some suspicious things and no one seems to be considering it much. Town, you can't have tunnel vision you must observe all possibilities and decide which makes the most sense. Once again, I think silver is scum but I want to explore other options so I won't be voting.

[MagnaofIllusion]

This Silver discussion I think is very warranted.

With Zinger's flip as Town the way that the Silver wagon briefly crested above Zinger's ( I think at 9 votes to 8 IRRC) and then dropped in favor of Zinger's final wagon is very telling if Silver is scum.

If he's scum there is a goldmine of scum to be found voting for Zinger during that swing period.

On the other hand if he's Town there is not much to be gained.

[Castle Bravo]

hello everyone!

[MagnaofIllusion]

hello everyone!

Welcome ... provide some content and reads stat!

[Junpei]

hello everyone!

Reads... opinions on the zinger lynch... opinions on a silver lynch... those are good things to start asking, so whenever you're ready fire out the responses.

[Pinky and the Brain]

Junpei. Tracker report now.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: silver

Could you explain your reasoning on this vote?

@Zel1nk:

Who did you target for the vig N1?

I'll also second the tracker report request.

Vote: Silver

for now, he's the second on my scumlist.

I have no sense of time, so I didn't do the re-reads on goomba and David I promised, I'll try to do them at some point.

[Junpei]

Junpei. Tracker report now.

I don't know if it is something I should out or not, it could be -EV town. Please respond telling me if you want me to out it no matter what. I don't know that it is -EV town for sure but it seems like it might.

[Pappums Leather Jacket]

Ah, just the fact you said you were waiting for mod confirmation made me think there was something new.

Banshee > As far as I can tell, a neighbouriser is basically a Mason Recruiter.

A neighborizer is someone who chooses one or more people to talk in a private QT. The alignment of persons in a neighborhood is not confirmed, as is the case with Masons.

Nero you're doing that thing where you ignore the bit at the end that proves that it is out of context, did you not see what I wrote? Go rereading the convo I was having with Zinger at the time.

How do I feel about a Silver lynch? Well my notes are messy, but I believe silver used Hydra dissonance and tunneled on Pine until after I said that he was afk all day during Setal's speed mafia. but that had been over quite some time before I posted that, and it suggests that Silver was using Pine's afk replace out as a scumtell and a pillar for the lynch without actually checking up on if he was doing anything of the sort in other games and to what nature it was.

So I think that Silver is most likely scum. However I don't like how quickly people jump to it, I assume that everyone's logic is the same as mine, but what about Andrew and ZeL1nK? Both have done some suspicious things and no one seems to be considering it much. Town, you can't have tunnel vision you must observe all possibilities and decide which makes the most sense. Once again, I think silver is scum but I want to explore other options so I won't be voting.

This looks like scum that doesnt want to defend their buddy too much while still trying to avoid their lynch, but who also wants to leave open the possibility of bussing.

Junpei, you need to disclose your tracking results. You are not really someone the town trusts, and the whole reason you claimed tracker is because the person you replaced got ran up to L-2. At this point you claiming your tracker results is more to test you than it is for the results themself.

VOTE: silver

Could you explain your reasoning on this vote?

@Zel1nk:

Who did you target for the vig N1?

I'll also second the tracker report request.

Vote: Silver

for now, he's the second on my scumlist.

I have no sense of time, so I didn't do the re-reads on goomba and David I promised, I'll try to do them at some point.

I agree that hiplop needs to explain. Also Leonshade, why are you voting for the second person on your scumlist and not the first?

Pending Junpei's results,

Vote: Chevre

[Leonshade]

@Pappum:

Silver was second after Zinger on the scumlist I posted back in D1, I worded that poorly.

[Junpei]

Well, 3 people is enough for me.

I tracked Vezok and he visited no one.

Also Pappums if you'll be so kind as to look, I said that I do find Silver scummy. However look at people who are voting silver blindly, I understand that most everything has been said (i noted that in that post) but you need to take time to look at everyone else as well. It was my preemptive reasoning for why I wasn't placing a vote down. I don't like voting quickly even if it is a meaningless vote and we are 12 away from hammer, if an official vote means so much to you I will but I honestly see no reason for it.

[pappums rat]

Why did you track Vezok?

[Pappums Leather Jacket]

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Why did you track Vezok?

[Junpei]

Why did you track Vezok?

First let me say that going into the night I thought that Zel1nK was scum, however tracking him would be pointless because if he was scum he'd just be the one to lead the NK and he'd blame it on his vigil kill.

So then I looked at other options. I eliminated the two new people because I didn't know much about them. There was nothing to go on really.

Then I thought "who would scum think I'd track?". Well, I expressed distaste at one point or another of Meran, Andrew, ZeL1nK, and a few others less so throughout the day(not including Zinger). So I wanted to steer clear of scum correctly guessing my target and somehow screwing with me whether it be from intentionally not using their action to redirecting it.

But even then I couldn't narrow it down enough, there were just too many possible choices for me to logically sift through everyone. In the end I looked through Vezok's ISO and didn't like it at all. He posted little actual content and BWed on major BWs.

So, I decided to track Vezok.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I tracked Vezok and he visited no one.

@Vezok - Please confirm if Junpei should hang immediately based on whether he is lying. Thank you.

[PeregrineV]

@Jun- That is a really crappy answer. I don't like it.

Let's see what Vezok says.

And didn't someone else claim something? They need to give their results too.

Awaiting MoI's neighbor dilemma.

[Junpei]

@Jun- That is a really crappy answer. I don't like it.

Let's see what Vezok says.

And didn't someone else claim something? They need to give their results too.

Awaiting MoI's neighbor dilemma.

"crappy".
"don't like".

If you are going to discredit me you better have reasons more than that.

[PeregrineV]

No, that's not me discrediting you. That will be up to Vezok, depending on what he says.
This is me stating my opinion.

[Junpei]

No, that's not me discrediting you. That will be up to Vezok, depending on what he says.
This is me stating my opinion.

So you are saying that your opinion as no more substance than "eh, I dont like it".