Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Mr Subliminal]

ooba vote incoming with consent from other head.

[ooba]

Ooba, you're making a rather large error in assuming that all CRs will play by the same tactics and tells you have outllined. It's like saying "All Mafia do THIS", when in reality tells vary from player to player and strategy to strategy.

Suspiciously missing on your reference list is Blackest Night.

Which is why I need to recheck the first batch I eliminated. Other stuff is just common sense - some play just doesn't make sense as the CR -
- I'd be extremely surprised if any of these {Kast\macro\kondi\MrSub\inhim\CJ\nopoint\Toasty} turn out to be the CR. Reasoning as above.
- If Friend\Nik are right - you can eliminate {Nik\Friend\zMuff\hiplop} for sure
Of the rest - Andrius is not the CR - general vibe + Activity levels. Toog via meta analysis

I can definitely say that the CR lies in this list {Apokalyptika, vezokpiraka, Ghostwriter, Oversoul, tantalas, WLC, LLD, FrozenMirror}. This is without using the CR voting tells from above. Mafia would be well advised to shoot here. (In fact, I'd say they should shoot WLC if he doesn't get lynched today)

P-edit: I read three games to get a glimpse of CR play. Started with Succession and oGaM because they were games that I've played in. Walking dead was the next one which came to my mind. I stopped with three.

[Mr Subliminal]

I know a better way to find a CR.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ooba

[Nikanor]

I don't understand why people think that they can tell one type of scum from another on day one with no flips.
HUMILITY IS DEAD.

[SleepyKrew]

My question goes to all our outted WLs. One of the discharged, or one of the 12?

Nikanor?

[Nikanor]

Right. I'm one of the twelve labour folks. Like Heracles and stuff.

[mastin2]

Interactions are a wonderful thing, Nik.

That's how.

(I catch more scum based off of Interactions than all of my other four scumhunting tools combined. Since Interactions are the overall picture, whereas the other four are individual scumminess.)

[inHimshallibe]

I don't understand why people think that they can tell one type of scum from another on day one with no flips.
HUMILITY IS DEAD.

The only thing close to a guarantee I can give you is that the CR has not gambited out of the gate. As for other stuff, loliagree.

[WeyounsLastClone]

15 pages already... Gonna read hopefully tomorrow.
I do see six people not voting. Please people, start voting already!

This seems incredibly scummy to me.

Reads to me:

O hai, I'm totally lurking, please guys vote and lynch someone so we can move to night because I don't want to provide any content because I may scumslip. Going to totally leave my random vote on Ooba though since hes the biggest wagon

Unvote:
Vote: WLC

Vote staying on you until you provide me something.

First of all, my vote on ooba was not random. I just don't trust people posting a 'random' result from a 'random generator'. And my comment about the people not voting is genuine. I usually don't post much, but I do vote. We're at page 16 now, at which point I think everyone should have enough to base a vote upon. Voting wagons and how they evolve are the way we can gain information in my opinion. Currently I feel confident in my ooba vote, not just for that early post I voted for, but also later on.

Your post seems rash and opportunistic, same with your disbelief of Ghostwriter. The same reason you vote me, people could vote you now, because you're just calling out lurkers, which is also an easy thing to do.

[Kast]

There's a lot of posts. I didn't read the thread after my last post. I've skimmed through and noted some things.

Agree with choice claim. I picked Non-Lantern, Colored Lantern, Black/White Lantern. I got Colored Lantern.

Implying one of them is lying. I lean Nikanor actually. Though I'm not sure what their reason for lying could be.

Agree. In BNM Yellow scum successfully used this exact same analysis to find Red scum (that plus Red scum made themselves obvious).

Nik backtracking and claiming potential White Lantern could be a legitimate mistake or could be grabbing onto an excuse

, the mason claim is plausible.

So until we have flips or

have Cop claim that gives flavor Mod responses that restrict Mafia to a set group

nothing about the make-up should be assumed. I’d expect a Mafia team mix (some Red / Yellow Lanterns, some other Villans, maybe a White Lantern)

iHsib's miller claim pretty much tells us that Red

is

a characteristic of Mafia. It may not be the

only

characteristic, but to say being Red makes you investigate as Mafia is nigh equivalent to the

underlined

.

This wagon needs to happen. Firstly, Ooba starts the game with a joke about voting LLD, which is normal, but then immediatly glosses over joke voting LLD, despite given a golden opportunity to do so with her 'slip' when she typed goon, instead rolling the dice and going with their results on who to vote. I'm not sure why he did this, but it is more likely that town would have plunked down a vote on LLD without worrying instead of ignoring that opportunity and moving onto something else alltogether. (voting vezok)

Also, the fact that through nine posts he has not gotten a single thought in about who is more likely scum than town, or who the cult recruiter is (instead promising it in three days (?)),but has instead talked about the flavour of the game (and his speculation isn't even that helpful) definently is more likely to come from someone anti-town who wants to wait and see how things unfold.

Agree with most of this (and with Mastin's assessment of Ooba's post). However, Ooba I'm not sure why CJ thinks Ooba sounds more like Mafia than Cult given the linked post.

Also, it seems Mastin is mixing reads with random/joke/fake mod-confirms, but I'm having trouble reconciling this with him ID'ing Ooba as Cult

prior to

Ooba posting anything indicative of that

.

We could just say which corps/non-lantern group we are in

Agree with this.

Now, why does ooba want us to focus exclusively on one scumgroup D1? Because he's scum from the other faction (Mafia) and wants to a) buy a pass for not hunting other members of his faction and b) potentially buy his faction a free pass into lategame.

I read it a lot more like Ooba trying to take a leading role in directing lynches. If he is CR, then he can even throw town a bone and "successfully" lynch a recruit or two (hell, if there really are TWO CRs, he could even gambit and "successfully" lynch the CR or CR Backup for loads of town-cred).

I'm not scum, and you pushing it is getting increasingly anti-town.

In other words, "I'll call you town if you stop calling me scum."

@Nik/Friend/Muffin-
Are you guys actually claiming some sort of mod guilty on Toog? If you have something concrete, then I'm ok with placing a vote there, but if it's just the cases that you've been pushing, then no dice; they haven't been particularly convincing.

VOTE: Ooba

[mastin2]

I got Colored Lantern.

Enjoying the red ring you have?

Also, it seems Mastin is mixing reads with random/joke/fake mod-confirms, but I'm having trouble reconciling this with him ID'ing Ooba as Cult prior to Ooba posting anything indicative of that.

Who said anything about random/joking?

I'm in constant communication with the mod!

[tanstalas]

I think Ooba is at L2, and as for my reasoning for claiming my role name, I already explained, so go back and read.

[ooba]

I think Ooba is at L2, and as for my reasoning for claiming my role name, I already explained, so go back and read.

No you didn't. You just claimed because you got the same role you had last time.

[ooba]

I don't understand why people think that they can tell one type of scum from another on day one with no flips.
HUMILITY IS DEAD.

Yeah.
- The "Let the CR recruit" then we scumhunt by associations doesn't work at all.
-- First problem: Which night was the recruit recruited?
-- Second problem: Did a change in suspicion of recruit on player X arise because (a)X is the cult recruiter (b)Recruit wanted to frame X as the recruiter (c )Genuine change in suspicion?
Most of the CR's play revolves around not getting lynched. I'm not about to lay back and be passive and let it get to a point where town can't win.

All of those who think I'm a CR seriously need to get their head re-examined.

Anyways
- I didn't get my first choice but I know why I got my role (because of spec while sending in choices + "Wouldn't be too disappointed if I don't draw White/Black at all and move to colored." bit)

Just thought I'd give you my reasoning while picking choices

Setup
- The evil white lanterns (Maxwell Lord, Captain_Boomerang, Osiris, Professor Zoom) will be the Mafia group.
- Not sure of the SK - Don't think you'll repeat Lafreeze as SK - so I'll put my money on Luthor as SK
- Black is obviously cult (as mentioned). - Mafia,SK will be unrecruitable - Also the seven main colored lanterns (Jordan, Sinestro, Ferris...) plus white lanterns will be unrecruitable. (So assuming you use 4 out of 7+8 as fakeclaims) - That makes it one CR, 12 unrecruitables and 11 recruitables - which seems balanced for the CR. Also with two lynches per day, one pre-game or N0 recruit plus one-shot BP seems about right for the CR ..
- All the other colored Lanterns and Non lanterns should be town and recruitable. You'll vary the number of each based on the number of UPicks & to keep it balanced number of ring-wise for Luthor. (For example if a lot of people go "Non-Lantern", you'll do stuff like giving Wonder Woman and the Atom rings)

My choices
- I think a lot of people have chosen White/Black. I expect that over 10 people in the signups before LMP have chosen W/B as their first choice.
- I'm going White/Black first over Colored cause if I draw cult, think I'll do well (Nightkills are my only worry). If I draw white scum, some good players in the list to be scumbuddies with - on the other hand I think dual day lynches hurt the scum team more than the cult - but fairly confident on my scum play abilities to take a chance. Worst possible scenario with this is drawing Hawkgirl or Hawkman white lanterns cause I hate them but got to take a risk .
- Wouldn't be too disappointed if I don't draw White/Black at all and move to colored.

1) White/Black Lantern
2) Colored Lantern
3) Non-Lantern

Please don't rejig stuff if I am too right about the setup

Claim:

Lex Luthor (Orange Lantern Corps)

Flavor: For a short time, I worked with the others against the Black lanterns, but greed got the better of me and tried to steal stuff from Sinestro and RL corps. I was still in the position to help out, so I am tolerated.
Role:

1-shot Governor

- can target a player - will survive a lynch without flipping role or alignment . If that player doesn't get lynched, my one-shot is not used up.

I asked the mods if I can use it on myself - no reply till now. Anyway even if I can, I'm not going to since I don't see the point in wasting one of the two lynches (since if the first fails, you'd lynch me a second time)

[tanstalas]

My role PM mentions Lex Luthor...

I'm thinking if you are on the Ooba wagon you should get off it now

And I did explain why I claimed. Read closer next time. I thought maybe the mods were messing with us and since I got Larfleeze again, maybe MoI was the CR again.

There was a 1/24 chance for me to get Larfleeze, however, I didn't even select colored lantern as my first choice, so it felt "off" to me.

[Mr Subliminal]

I really feel

with my fist

that your claim would be remiss

fake

without including your win condition

these are the basics

.

For instance, I'm perfectly happy

high

to help you achieve a third-party-you-leave-the-game

lame

win condition, if you have one.

[ooba]

I really feel

with my fist

that your claim would be remiss

fake

without including your win condition

these are the basics

.

For instance, I'm perfectly happy

high

to help you achieve a third-party-you-leave-the-game

lame

win condition, if you have one.

Andrius already claimed the part where one town player has to survive bit of the PM so what's the purpose? Apart from that - yeah we need to eliminate all threats.

[Nikanor]

Are you guys actually claiming some sort of mod guilty on Toog?

Yes.

[tanstalas]

@ooba - Do you have any kind of ... I don't know how to ask this.. 'expiry date' for being in the Orange Lanterns?

[ooba]

@ooba - Do you have any kind of ... I don't know how to ask this.. 'expiry date' for being in the Orange Lanterns?

Nope.

[Toogeloo]

Are you guys actually claiming some sort of mod guilty on Toog?

Yes.

No one should believe this, and I will exclaim my disbelief first and foremost. First of all, I highly doubt you would allow ooba to get as close to being lynched as he is without throwing some sort of temper tantrum that you have a guilty on a target. Secondly, unless 1) someone Day Framed me, or 2) you are insane, or 3) you are lying, you would not be getting a guilty scan on me if you did indeed receive a message stating that I was guilty from the mod. You have not treated me in any way as a type to have a scan against them, and it's been more of a little troupe pointing from the corner.

Finally, you've already claimed that though none are likely the CR, there is a likelihood of scum in your mod-masonry. So, yeah, good luck with your "fake" mod guilty on me, as I can smell it for the bullshit that it is.

[ToastyToast]

@Toog: How could there be a coordinated "fake" mod guilty? If the others involved too say that they have a mod-guilty, then it cannot be ignored. If Nikanor is lying and the other two disagree...that's another story, isn't it.

Ugh, I have a bad experience with governors, but I guess it makes sense for any faction given the whole double-lynch thing. Willing to listen to Tans.

[Friend]

Obvious Nikanor joke and an overreaction by Toog.

Lynch him, guys.

[tanstalas]

See the thing is my PM basically says I gave my powers to Lex Luthor for the time being (24 hours) but I will get them back.

So I'm unsure of what to make of his role. I believe he is Lex Luthor, but I am wondering if he might turn after D1 into another faction.

[Mr Subliminal]

Toog can be our second lynch.
tans, since when did Larfleeze (sp?) ever give ANYTHING away?