Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:34 pm

Tarhalindur wrote:That's because I'm still processing the game and trying to get a goddamn read on your slot, all my old scumtells on you work like shit now that you've changed style.

I haven't changed style, I'm still the same.

I think my problem is that I soak up the mood of a game, and that variation is greater than the scum/town variation.

Tarhalindur wrote:Crazy attacks are BAD. He's one of my strongest town reads.

I can second that.

Tarhalindur wrote:
Crazy wrote:Also, kunkstar, can you explain why me voting Imaginality but not you would be indicative of me being scum? I mean, I could understand scum might be hypocritical in regards to their own scum-partners, but how is me being hypocritical in favor of you scummy from
your own
perspective, since you should know yourself to be town.

Nice catch that. (Also, oh look kunkscum defending a buddy.)

OK, I feel really stupid now, but can you explain this slowly to me?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:42 pm

Tar I'm looking forward to your read on Empking.

UNVOTE: Tar

Tarhalindur · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:54 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:Tar I'm looking forward to your read on Empking.

UNVOTE: Tar

Empking: Town/Unreadable (about the same as you)

(busy with marathon stuff, back later)

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:02 pm

SCUMPUTER Day 4 (supposing Crazy-town)

INPUT

2 scum out of 6 players = 33 pts

1 scum out of 4, 25 points

iamausername

smallpeoples343
Amrun
Ameliaslay
RedCoyote

kunkstar7

2 scum out of 6 players = 40 pts

2 scum out of 3 players = 66 pts

iamausername

Crazy

Ellibereth

Empking
Amrun
RedCoyote

1.5 scum out of 5 players = 30 pts

0.5 scum out of 1 players = 50 pts

iamausername

kunkstar7

imaginality

Ranmaru

Amrun

1.5 scum out of 5 players = 30 pts

1.5 scum out of 3 players = 50 pts

Amrun
Empking

iamausername

Crazy

smallpeoples343

2 scumz out of 7 players = 28 points

1 scum out of 4 players = 25 points

Amrun
Empking

iamausername

Crazy

smallpeoples343
Quilford.

kunkstar7

OUTPUT

199 Amrun
154 Empking
103 smallpeoples343
91 RedCoyote/Tar
50 Ameliaslay/Quilford

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:03 pm

Tarhalindur wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Tar I'm looking forward to your read on Empking.

UNVOTE: Tar

Empking: Town/Unreadable (about the same as you)

(busy with marathon stuff, back later)

If you're town, the scumputer dictates that Empking should die.

Quilford · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:00 pm

can we please kill Empking I really see no way that he is town

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:42 am

Quilford wrote:can we please kill Empking I really see no way that he is town

Apparently we can't, some players have unexplainable null-to-town reads on him.

Empking · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:48 am

Crazy; Do you still think the scumputer is objective?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:34 am

Empking wrote:Crazy; Do you still think the scumputer is objective?

Now you sound like Ranmaru.

petroleumjelly · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:39 am

Day Four Vote Count #8

3 DrippingGoofball (imaginality, Empking, smallpeoples343)
3 Empking (DrippingGoofball, Quilford, Crazy)
3 Quilford (Tarhalindur, Amrun, Empking)
2 Crazy (Ranmaru, imaginality)
2 smallpeoples343 (Ranmaru, Amrun)
1 imaginality (Tarhalindur)
1 Tarhalindur (Quilford)
1 Ranmaru (smallpeoples343)

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch. Deadline is August 6 at 5:00 PM PDT.

Not Voting – 0 – Nobody

Crazy · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:41 pm

Tar wrote:Yeah no.
Voting Ran despite obvious mason claim?
Very very emotional tone? That's NOT Quiltown.

Why is that scummy? If that's scummy, wouldn't Smalls be scummy for doing the same thing?

Not that I'm necessarily complaining about a Quilford wagon here; I just don't get this point. And as awesome as it was, I can't be swayed by your 17-million page essay on "Why Crazy is town."

Quilford wrote:plus your slot's history is friggin terrible and the replacing out reeks of scum

This inspired me to look back on your posting. RedCoyote was one of your "null" reads and you only voted HackerHuck once, and you didn't mention why.

Replacing out is never a scum-tell to me, at least not in any normal situation.

Can you explain your previous problems with Tar's slot, and why RC and/or HH getting replaced is scummy?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:52 pm

3 DrippingGoofball (imaginality, Empking, smallpeoples343)

I'm being voted by some shady characters.

Crazy · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:55 pm

@DGB - Why is imaginality green in your scumputer?

Empking wrote:Crazy; Do you still think the scumputer is objective?

It was

before

, when this conversation was relevant.

imaginality wrote:The Quilford case, I think Tar makes reasonable points, and Quilford's reaction to it reads bad to me. I'm not against more pressure on him tomorrow, but I'm reluctant to lynch outside DGB or Crazy today.

With this, I think Tar may have a point about you/Quilford.

imaginality wrote:As for smallpeoples343, I take Crazy's point that smalls could be dumb and scum, and Ranmaru made some good points last page comparing smalls D1 play with later days. So I still see smalls as a good prospect of flipping scum, but Crazy and DGB are better ones. And I think a Crazy scumflip would point to smalls-town, while a DGB townflip would point to smalls-scum and a DGB scumflip would point to smalls-town (especially if DGB flips scum power role), so I feel like we'd have a stronger read on him tomorrow as a result of lynching Crazy or DGB.

Seriously? You want to lynch me or DGB to get a better read on Smalls?

How about - if you want a better read on Smalls, to ask him questions and do all that sort of "scum-hunting" stuff, instead of setting up your weird web of chain lynches?

Your stance towards Smalls has been so weird; I don't even know what it means. You suspect him, then you're not sure, then you think he's too dumb to be scum, and now you're not sure AGAIN so you want to

lynch someone else

to find out what his alignment is. *facepalm*

Ranmaru · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:56 pm

Btw guys. I'm not flip flopping on my reads. I promise. And I promise it's not DGB's fault.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

Ranmaru · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:58 pm

Anyways, Crazy I don't see how you can't See Smalls being scummy.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:02 pm

Crazy wrote:@DGB - Why is imaginality green in your scumputer?

He's not supposed to be. Error.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:03 pm

That would remove 25 points off Amrun, and give imaginality 25.

Tarhalindur · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:06 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Tar I'm looking forward to your read on Empking.

UNVOTE: Tar

Empking: Town/Unreadable (about the same as you)

(busy with marathon stuff, back later)

If you're town, the scumputer dictates that Empking should die.

Yeah no. Mafia Invictus is more than enough proof that it's way too easy to lean the Scumputer towards weak townies.

Scumputer results are far, FAR less convincing than playstyle.

Crazy wrote:
Tar wrote:Yeah no.
Voting Ran despite obvious mason claim?
Very very emotional tone? That's NOT Quiltown.

Why is that scummy? If that's scummy, wouldn't Smalls be scummy for doing the same thing?

Yes, but the balance of snails' play (especially reaction to wagon D1) points towards snails being newbtown rather than newbscum, while Quilford's balance of play is scummy.

Crazy wrote:Not that I'm necessarily complaining about a Quilford wagon here; I just don't get this point. And as awesome as it was, I can't be swayed by your 17-million page essay on "Why Crazy is town."

... Maybe I should reconsider that town read on you.

Townies don't need to load their questions with "not necessarily complaining" and "as awesome as it was".

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Empking wrote:Crazy; Do you still think the scumputer is objective?

Now you sound like Ranmaru.

DrippingGoofball wrote:3 DrippingGoofball (imaginality, Empking, smallpeoples343)

I'm being voted by some shady characters.

Are you TRYING to convince me you're scum?

Seriously, MAJOR flashes of Mafia Invictus here.

Crazy · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:07 pm

Ranmaru wrote:Anyways, Crazy I don't see how you can't See Smalls being scummy.

I don't remember saying that.

Granted, I do find Empking/imaginality/Quilford all scummier at the moment. Though I don't remember saying that I thought Smalls was town.

Tarhalindur · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:07 pm

Ranmaru wrote:Anyways, Crazy I don't see how you can't See Smalls being scummy.

Go back and look at snails' reaction to being wagoned D1.

He's newbtown. Get your pants off your head.

Next question?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:09 pm

Tarhalindur wrote:Yeah no. Mafia Invictus is more than enough proof that it's way too easy to lean the Scumputer towards weak townies.

No it doesn't. Also, I was scum in Invictus. I'm town here.

Crazy · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:13 pm

Tar wrote:Yes, but the balance of snails' play (especially reaction to wagon D1) points towards snails being newbtown rather than newbscum, while Quilford's balance of play is scummy.

Okay, but why is voting a claimed mason scummy in the first place? I don't see it as being particularly scum-ish or town-ish. It's pretty much pointless as either alignment, isn't it?

Tar wrote:Townies don't need to load their questions with "not necessarily complaining" and "as awesome as it was".

I just didn't want it to seem like I was defending Quilford, since that's

far

from the truth.

Ranmaru · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:18 pm

Tarhalindur wrote:
Ranmaru wrote:Anyways, Crazy I don't see how you can't See Smalls being scummy.

Go back and look at snails' reaction to being wagoned D1.

He's newbtown. Get your pants off your head.

Next question?

Tell me. Did he react with OMGUS D1?

Ranmaru · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:20 pm

My read on tar is being tarnished. ;-; MASONRYYYYYYYYYYY. IAM BUDDY, WAT DO?

Ranmaru · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:24 pm

Crazy wrote:
Ranmaru wrote:Anyways, Crazy I don't see how you can't See Smalls being scummy.

I don't remember saying that.

Granted, I do find Empking/imaginality/Quilford all scummier at the moment. Though I don't remember saying that I thought Smalls was town.

My bad. I just assumed that since you were arguing with tans about the "Well this guy did it too, so how is this guy being left of the picture?" Granted I was too lazy to actually quote xD

Anyways. I feel tar is just wrong in just assuming the dude's newb town from his reaction d1. I don't look BACKwards for my reads. Sheesh. I am looking at his actions now.

Smalls has tried to... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. I dunno. His actions seem all newbish. I just hate his ONE VOTE and we tell him to vote with both votes, and got away with that. I feel as if that was purposely done.

Also, so you know Crazy, my read on you is also fueled by meta. Meaning, you came off really off the whole game. Especially with your early push on me.

I also wondered why you attacked Elli for wifom, when you are generally ok with Wifom.