Open 319: Jungle Republic - Day 5: Calamity *GAME OVER*

[tyhess]

We are two real life days in. We are placing pressure on other players. Not a time for anyone to be a Dumba$$ and lynch, no matter how scummy i think someone is

[DeityKabuto]

We are two real life days in. We are placing pressure on other players. Not a time for anyone to be a Dumba$$ and lynch, no matter how scummy i think someone is

I understand, just summarizing.

[Ray Montano]

I'm not advocating a DK lynch right now, but I've got to say if someone had hammered I wouldn't have been too upset to see DK leave. I'm not a fan of players who throw pity parties for themselves when they're on the chopping block. I would, however, have been upset the day ended so early. So next time anyone's on the chopping block (myself included) it'd be awesome to have real discussions instead of "DON'T FUCKING HAMMER ME IF YOU WANT A MISLYNCH". Like...really...

[DeityKabuto]

I'm not advocating a DK lynch right now, but I've got to say if someone had hammered I wouldn't have been too upset to see DK leave. I'm not a fan of players who throw pity parties for themselves when they're on the chopping block. I would, however, have been upset the day ended so early. So next time anyone's on the chopping block (myself included) it'd be awesome to have real discussions instead of "DON'T FUCKING HAMMER ME IF YOU WANT A MISLYNCH". Like...really...

What do you want me to say?

YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED AND MAKKE THE TOWN LOSE.

[Ray Montano]

real discussions

I don't care. Ask questions, argue it out, anything but whining about being lynched.

[tyhess]

pretty sure DK is still on the chopping block FTR

[BBmolla]

I really like post #177.

We are two real life days in. We are placing pressure on other players. Not a time for anyone to be a Dumba$$ and lynch, no matter how scummy i think someone is

I don't like your philosophy in #175 tyhess. You're saying we shouldn't lynch someone, even if they are the scummiest player alive, just because we're two days in? DK isn't the scummiest player, but he is scummy. And I feel that time is irrelevent when you think someone is scum. I mean what's the point of voting DK if you're just gonna unvote before the hammer?

Keeping an eye on you tyhess.

My vote stays on DK.

[BBmolla]

EBWOP: By saying DK isn't the scummiest player, I meant he's not the scummiest player that ever existed. I do believe he is the scummiest player in this game.

[TheFool]

tyhess never voted DK in the first place, his vote was on Ray, which he removed because he thought Ray was at L-1 I think?

Some clarification there would be nice.

[tyhess]

My vote was actually on Ray, not DK, but the vote count was wrong...I thought ray was about to get lynched (or atleast that's how I think the votecount looked) and I unvoted

[BBmolla]

Oh dang.

Well disregard most of my statement except for the part about not lynching because of time.

[FightingShadow]

I am sure he is scum. Appaeals to emotion and fear are noted. Someone hammer this scum

This makes me nervous. Appeals to emotion and fear are not scumtells. You're insistence on using them to get someone lynched is sketchy.

I understand the votes for DK because of his borderline troll behavior. However, it feels like an attempt to muscle through a quicklynch - which you can see in the quotes below -

Claim, DK.

I really am willing to take the risk of DK being a VT. I still can't even fathom his kind of play with his 1000 posts. It doesn't add up.

bothers me a lot. I know I said I would be willing to hammer. I am, if the trolling continues - however, it feels like people are trying to blur the line between a policy lynch and an actual suspicion lynch. Anyone trying to force this lynch through quickly (barring escalation in DK's trolling) is very suspicious.

Okay. Since vote count was messed up, your first reaction if he really was at L-1 would be to play it safe and unvote, does this mean you don't find him scummy, what was the purpose of your vote on the wagon if you weren't ready to lynch?

This is actually a good question.

UNVOTE: Ray Montano
VOTE: CMPunk

For the reasons stated above.

[Sky]

Well if we did quicklynch we would have missed out on the opportunity to hear what Thor and someone else (I don't even know their name they've only come once, they have a highway avatar) have to say. It is important to get the perspective of all players Day 1, any scumhunter should know that. But my vote stands. That being said Thor and kondi (found your name) come on out.

Why is the pace and similarity of Shadow and my question's unsettling for you? It just is.

Umm... alright.

Why don't you like answering my questions but like answering others? Why? Because all your doing is putting my in a bad position and dragging my out of my safety back so you can push and pull on me with your questions.

Yes well it just so happens I have tagged you on my scumdar. Maybe if you conjured up some defenses it wouldn't be so bad?

Also, since I'm a newb, what is a Policy Lynch?

[BBmolla]

Also, since I'm a newb, what is a Policy Lynch?

Lynching someone because they're a troll or something of like instead of because they're scum.

[DonJosh]

bothers me a lot. I know I said I would be willing to hammer. I am, if the trolling continues - however, it feels like people are trying to blur the line between a policy lynch and an actual suspicion lynch. Anyone trying to force this lynch through quickly (barring escalation in DK's trolling) is very suspicious.

It is no longer a "policy lynch" for me.
This might be his town play (I'm not big on meta), but it sure as hell is scummy.

[FightingShadow]

bothers me a lot. I know I said I would be willing to hammer. I am, if the trolling continues - however, it feels like people are trying to blur the line between a policy lynch and an actual suspicion lynch. Anyone trying to force this lynch through quickly (barring escalation in DK's trolling) is very suspicious.

It is no longer a "policy lynch" for me.
This might be his town play (I'm not big on meta), but it sure as hell is scummy.

How?

[Thor665]

Wooosh - no quick lynch? ::sadface::

Okay, let's lay out some reactions to that wagon.

Tyhess is probably town.
The Fool never answered the 'deeper' reasons to vote Ray, did he? He should really answer that - like - na0w!
Fighting Shadows is probably town.
DK is...DK. I could get behind a policy lynch there but I think we could probably do better - Werewolves should totally kill him though, he gets crazy effective at scumhunting starting Day 3.
Could someone explain to me why it was scummy that DK called two players as having a similar playstyle? That (and question derpiness) seems to be the case on him. I'm down with the derpiness but the other thing...whuh? Explain pl0x, I'm ready to sheep onto that in a second once I know why it's scummy.

Ray should still be lynched, unless someone can quote me a post where he is actually scumhunting. He's an experienced player and he doesn't seem to know how to scumhunt - that doesn't worry anyone else? It worries the everlovin' frell out of me.

[Ray Montano]

Ray should still be lynched, unless someone can quote me a post where he is actually scumhunting. He's an experienced player and he doesn't seem to know how to scumhunt - that doesn't worry anyone else? It worries the everlovin' frell out of me.

Who says I've ever been good at scumhunting? Why are you playing this game based off so much supposed meta?

[TheFool]

The Fool never answered the 'deeper' reasons to vote Ray, did he? He should really answer that - like - na0w!

Fluff posting. 15 posts, 0 content.

To elaborate, 24 posts, no vote, no voiced suspicions, no content. His only stance thus far is "quicklynches are bad".

Could someone explain to me why it was scummy that DK called two players as having a similar playstyle?

For me it's less his finding their playstyles similar and more the way he shifts discussion with it away from legitimate questions about his wagon hopping. In essence I guess it's a function of the question derpiness.

[Thor665]

@Ray - so you're admitting you're useless to town? Replace out?

@TheFool - how is wagon hopping scummy in any way?

[Thor665]

@Ray - and the "supposed" meta is - I'm familiar with Newbie games - you're playing exactly like a Newbie but are blatantly not one so...why am I getting a 'this is the first time I've played' vibe off you?

Link to any completed scum games?

[Ray Montano]

I just don't understand why you're making generalized assumptions on how players should be playing based on their experience level. That doesn't make any sense. You're doing it with both myself and DK.

And if you want to find completed scum games of me you can go do the research and figure it out yourself.

[Sky]

Could someone explain to me why it was scummy that DK called two players as having a similar playstyle? That (and question

For me, it's because it seems like he's trying too hard to contribute or something. Like he has these crazy accusations of me cheating but doesn't back it up. He compares us to eachother for reasons other than his own intuition which doesn't cut it for me. I might be overreacting we all know that feel of being called a cheater, which he didn't do, it just came damn close. And with nothing to back it up with it just seems like fluff.

Thanks BBmolla for answering my question.

[Thor665]

I just don't understand why you're making generalized assumptions on how players should be playing based on their experience level. That doesn't make any sense. You're doing it with both myself and DK.

DK I have meta knowledge of - it is not an experience based tell at all.
You I have no meta of, but I have a strong feeling about the way you are playing. I could call it a "gut" case if you don't like the "experience" case, but I'm trying to explain where the "gut" comes from insteand of just going "I am awesome, sheep me" which works - but usually only with people that have played with me enough before to know how accurate my reads on gut are.

And if you want to find completed scum games of me you can go do the research and figure it out yourself.

Reason Thor asked for meta: To see if his opinion of your scum/town play could clarify his read of you.

Town reason to avoid giving the meta: Lazy.
Scum reason to avoid giving the meta: Suspects it will help catch him as scum.

Vote stays.
Needs more votes on this wagon.

[Thor665]

For me, it's because it seems like he's trying too hard to contribute or something. Like he has these crazy accusations of me cheating but doesn't back it up. He compares us to eachother for reasons other than his own intuition which doesn't cut it for me.

So, your accusation is that he's scum who decided to make up a case based on nothing, and hope town would buy into it and leave him alone/sheep him to get you lynched?

We have established he's not a great player - good job.
Why does this make him scum? Bad players are town in the normal statistical amounts that good players are last I checked.

@Mod - could you clarify if your random role assessment favors bad players being scum more often than good players?

The above is probably just a mocking comment, but I do want to drive the point home. You should probably sheep me onto Ray - he's scum and I actually have a case for it, we can lynch DK tomorrow when he's still being useless