Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[zMuffinMan]

hiplop, tanstalas, toast, inhim town. LLD, ooba prob town, too.

VOTE: Toogeloo

^That guy is scum, though.

I actually have no idea what to make of vezok right now. It seems like he's claiming Ice.... And his role is "Freezer"? And he's retracted his claim of being a white lantern?

Also don't feel too good about FrozenMirror and nopoint.

Interested in why CJ wanted Andrius to fullclaim.

Interested in why Andrius felt the need to state what town's win con is, even though he acknowledged it's a moot point.

[Andrius]

well, I'll comment on the rest of the thread after monster hunter

lol Monster Hunter.

And yayyy a game I can post text in! Woo!

I've been thoroughly confused by the whole vezok claiming-thing so I'm just going to nod and move on.

So I’m not allowed to post my thoughts on the players in the game? Ok. But last time I checked, if someone posted something scummy, I can call them out on it.

Misrep. Comment on them all you want, I was saying that if you KNOW all the scumbags are the ones who have posted thus far (then) then we have bigger issues. Thanks for the misrep Toast.

Proof that you voted me for being an idiot.

Justification came later.

CandleJack asking for a claim already pings me as scummy (even if its only a name-claim).

It makes perfect sense for people with a brain.
That's all I'll say.
(I think I can add 1+1, that is. Don't correct me if I'm wrong.)

I agree with one thing he said- Maguahydra's posting style is irritating and inherently anti-town. THe subliminal messages are annoying and just like, "ok, really?". Come off it Magua. If you're going to have an annoying as fuck PR you can at least dayvig a scumbuddy before you do it.

Tans you need to clarify what you meant. You obviously want to talk about it.

Which is why I get a townread off him. No one would claim Larfleeze, Former SK D1 and be all LOL about it.
Unless that's his fakeclaim but even then STRETCHYYYYYY.

ReaperCharlie did not help create the set-up for this game. I highly doubt that dana wouldn’t learn from his mistakes and add a second cult to the game, only revealing one

Remind be about this post-game.
I'm sure he helped, even in initial stages when BNM was still running, and your "insight" into what dana won't do is odd. Like you KNOW there's only one cult or something. Because honestly, we DON'T KNOW THAT.

It means your reasons for voting me are shit-tastic

nope

She’s taken. Also, by saying this and bringing it to mafia, you are handing over the rights to use the names of all your relatives in ways that will make you very uncomfortable. Your mom, on the other hand—she’s VERY comfortable atm.

Trying to be funny you prick.
And names?
Fucktard.

…but I do always vote you how could you forget?

We've played against each other in one game (marathons dont count) and if you did vote me it sure got lost in the "OH CALCIFER IS OBVTOWN" worship. You, on the other hand...

...we won't go there.

You clearly voted me for being an “idiot.” And unless you truly believe that I’m a good policy lynch, my point stands. So don’t start this whole routine of you trying to get all abusive because I’m not doing what you want me to. Yeah, it is suspicious for YOU to vote ME for IDIOTLOLZMOMENTS.

reasoning came later.
you're a good policy lynch.
policy dictates you lynch scum.
you are scum.
therefore: figure it out.

That’s because you’re great at paying attention.

must have forgotten about it in all the games we've played together Y? oh yahhhhh

But very implausible given the last game.

lolnoson. If you want I can beat you over the head with games that had cults albeit unannounced. A second cult here would be expected at this point. BECAUSE OF ALL THE CLEAR FLAVOR INDICATIONS. LIKE THE "ARE THEY FRIENDS OR FOES" thing in the OP. And the fact my role pm has ten white lanterns surrounding my character as they prepare to kill him. YEAH. GOOD FLAVOR HINTS. /someone from the last game please tell me you got that

that are slipping towards scummy:

Clarify please. So we're not scummy? Just moving there as you decide whether or not to push these lynches? Because I find tans very town ATM.

This imply a surplus of people wanting Non-lantern roles

Faraday wanted Non-Lantern, specifically Batman.

For vezok, this seems completely null. It wouldn't surprise me if A)he is town, skimmed his PM and saw "White Lantern" or B)he is scum with or without a fakeclaim and skimmed THAT.

Coming to think about it he did the same thing in Succession Mafia I, and flipped Doctor who prevents players from being recruited by the cult.
So I'm willing to name vezok town for now.
am I confused?
yes.
But i like my read.

ALT DETECTED?!
Oh, it was just a very unethical and cheap hydra gambit, got it.

What more do you expect from a Black and Yellow lantern.

WAIT. BLACK AND YELLOW. <3

I'm still down for a massclaim. Think the game is breakable (even to a degree- destroying the scumteam/Cult would be worth it IMO)

Also, finally, Andrius is not cult - so your votes are better used elsewhere.

I know that, but how do YOU know that, concretely?

"Lynch scum for the first lynch; lynch cult for second lynch" is funny. Cult's obviously the growing threat and trust me - we are going to have a hard time lynching CR even if two lynches are spent on the cause.

I agree- Cult is a growing scumteam- much more potent a threat in the long-term.

I'll whittle down the rest of the list for possible CRs

That was fast.
Dare I ask how you did this?

Also he doesn't seem that he is mad at his role, so he probably is town.

Wait what?

4> Andy's wagon is funky

Define: funky
Scum-driven?
Scum on it?
Town-driven?
a good wagon?
a bad wagon?
WHAT IS FUNKY.

Question: Does anybody know whether dana usually gives full fake-claims to scum (as in, including town's win con)? Because Andrius knowing town's win con, and blatantly stating it in the thread is making me think he's town.

I'm sure he did- he did in the last game, didn't he?

Interested in why CJ wanted Andrius to fullclaim.

Interested in why Andrius felt the need to state what town's win con is, even though he acknowledged it's a moot point.

Don't ask. If I'm right its rolefishing.
Ask yourself why CJ would vote me for claiming a role, and want clarification if I was srs or not.

Because it matters. Last game dana had a paragraph on our power rings, what they did and what happened if we lost them. What did that mean? The SK won by collecting rings- CHEKOV'S GUN. ITS NOT THERE IF IT DOESNT SERVE A PURPOSE. SAME HERE.

I THINK WE HAVE A SK/OTHER GROUP WITH CRAZY WINCON HERE BECAUSE OUR TOWN WINCON

NECESSITATES A TOWNIE LEFT ALIVE

, THEREFORE

SOMEONE CAN WIN WHEN EVERYONE IS DEAD

.
SEE?
/TINFOIL

Its essentially a scortched earth clause (IIRC) where someone can win when everyone is dead.

[Mr Subliminal]

Or it could end in a draw/everyone loses Andy.
muffin, Toog is scum but we're lynching Andy right now.
My flavor knowledge is a bit rusty, but Ice was a Black Lantern that was revived by the White Light but never became a White Lantern, right? Oh well, we kill of vezok pre-LYLO anyways.

[inHimshallibe]

It's possible that I'm a white lantern, but I doubt it. tans could be lying I guess, but I don't know why he'd do that.

Go to Wikipedia and look up “White Lantern Corps” under the “Members” and “Labors of the Twelve” sections look to see if your character is listed. Report back with a simple Yes or No.

rolefishrolefishrolefish

I read your post, AGMoI, and can't help to think this is a rolefish attempt.

[Mr Subliminal]

What made you think that

[inHimshallibe]

@tans: you're Larfleeze again?

Ironic eh? That's what I meant, I think the mods may be screwing with us and MoI is black cult again. My alignment is town this time though. Apparently the green lantern's couldn't handle the black on their own and had to ask me for my help. :lol:

I knew this is where you were going with it, and just. No.

[The Book of Oa]

Friend replaces Bogre, effective immediately.

[hiplop]

Could be Ice.

Ice is a black lantern in blackest night...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Could be Ice.

Ice is a black lantern in blackest night...

Deadman was a Black Lantern in Blackest Night, and became a White Lantern in Brightest Day.

[Kast]

Oops, didn't get any notifications that there were new posts. Gonna try to catch up sometime today/tonight.

[FrozenMirror]

If we had full agreement at this moment we would be tempted to vote Andrius. His tone reads much like scum Andy trying to fake Town Andy. Also based on what we have stated before in thread a mass-claim ISN’T going to magically ‘catch’ the scum based on the variety of ways the Mods can form the scum-team from ANY of the three categories. He has to know that this set-up isn’t likely breakable via the groups like Blackest Night.

-

With the revelations from Nik and vezok about their claimed characters I’m much more likely to think Hiplop is telling the truth and that the “White Lanterns” are activated by something (time, an event, etc) in the game.

--

I read your post, AGMoI, and can't help to think this is a rolefish attempt.

If you wish to parse our request for Nik to look at a list of approximately 20 characters, of which many flavorwise could be any conceivable Role in the game, and ask him for a simple Yes or NO as to whether his character was there as rolefishing that is your right.

Given the order Nik claimed he submitted and his further claim as a non-Lantern if he hadn’t come back with a Yes (and this supports hiplop’s assertion about delayed White Lanterns) we would have driven his lynch. It isn’t possible for him to get a Non-Lantern which was his 3rd Choice given what role we got.

Ice is a black lantern in blackest night...

Yes and became a White Lantern in Blackest Night (part of the original squad dismissed after the defeat of Nekron). You should know this if you are familiar with the flavor and given your own PM him claiming Ice as a Non-Lantern currently makes sense.

Do you think Ice is a fake-claim for the Black Recruitor (which realistically can’t be Ice)?

Vezok has an absolute history of butchering his claims. See Clash of Kings Mafia where he absolutely butcherd his Meera Reed claim. It’s a null read for him.

[Friend]

Hello. Catching up.

[mastin2]

TOWN:
inHim
FrozenMirror
hiplop
Subliminal
Weyouns
Vezok
Nik
LLD
Togeloo
Apokalyptika
Tan

CULT LEADER:
Ooba

SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint

STILL DECYPHERING: ToastyToast. (The mod's wording there was rather tricky.)

That's 17/24 reads I've got down. I'll see about filling in the gaps soon enough. Assume that in the remaining 7 names, there's ~3 scum.

- Kast
- marco1610
- GhostWriter
- Bogre Friend
- zMuffinMan
- kondi2424
- Oversoul

Initial impression, Muffin and Oversoul prob-town. That'd narrow it down to 5 names containing 3 scum. But I'll look into this later. We take care of Andy and ooba today, Candle and nopoint tomorrow.

[hiplop]

If we had full agreement at this moment we would be tempted to vote Andrius. His tone reads much like scum Andy trying to fake Town Andy. Also based on what we have stated before in thread a mass-claim ISN’T going to magically ‘catch’ the scum based on the variety of ways the Mods can form the scum-team from ANY of the three categories. He has to know that this set-up isn’t likely breakable via the groups like Blackest Night.

-

With the revelations from Nik and vezok about their claimed characters I’m much more likely to think Hiplop is telling the truth and that the “White Lanterns” are activated by something (time, an event, etc) in the game.

--

I read your post, AGMoI, and can't help to think this is a rolefish attempt.

If you wish to parse our request for Nik to look at a list of approximately 20 characters, of which many flavorwise could be any conceivable Role in the game, and ask him for a simple Yes or NO as to whether his character was there as rolefishing that is your right.

Given the order Nik claimed he submitted and his further claim as a non-Lantern if he hadn’t come back with a Yes (and this supports hiplop’s assertion about delayed White Lanterns) we would have driven his lynch. It isn’t possible for him to get a Non-Lantern which was his 3rd Choice given what role we got.

Ice is a black lantern in blackest night...

Yes and became a White Lantern in Blackest Night (part of the original squad dismissed after the defeat of Nekron). You should know this if you are familiar with the flavor and given your own PM him claiming Ice as a Non-Lantern currently makes sense.

Do you think Ice is a fake-claim for the Black Recruitor (which realistically can’t be Ice)?

Vezok has an absolute history of butchering his claims. See Clash of Kings Mafia where he absolutely butcherd his Meera Reed claim. It’s a null read for him.

Not going to lie- I can barely remember ICE in Brightest day, other than that she was a black lantern Was she white lantern for it too? I know she was in Blackest night, but not sure about BD

Does Danakillsyou give full-fake-claims? if so im pretty sure this is a fakeclaim, if not... really not sure lol I don't know vezok at all, but if he really is this VI-y, i could see him butchering the fake claim?

probably being a little paranoid...

[mastin2]

Working from my hunches (it's really a shame Khan's gone--no offense to Oversoul, but I really wanted to play a game with Khan as town, and Oversoul's pretty conclusively proven to me that, well, Khan's slot is town) and remembering the mod sent me kondi's alignment as town, let's deduce things further:

- Kast
- marco1610
- GhostWriter
- Bogre Friend

Three of these names are scum. Leaning Kast for one of them. Kinda thinking Bogre/Friend is another, but far from positive. Leaves marco/Ghost as the third. And they both have about the same level of contribution, so not sure which of them it'd be.

[Mr Subliminal]

In Brightest Day, scum had full fakeclaims that included everything (like win conditions) except for the picture

pornography

.

If vezokpiraka is antitown

lynch vezok

, he has a fakeclaim.

I'll defer to the Subject Matter Experts

nerds

as to whether Ice could be a White Lantern

racist

.

[mastin2]

So, let's make it official:

TOWN:
inHim
FrozenMirror
hiplop
Subliminal
Weyouns
Vezok
Nik
LLD
Togeloo
Apokalyptika
Tan
Kondi
Oversoul
Muffin
(ToastyToast?)

CULT LEADER:
Ooba

SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
Kast
Bogre/Friend
(ToastyToast?*)
marco/Ghost*

STILL DECYPHERING: ToastyToast.

*If ToastyToast is scum, these names are both town. If ToastyToast is town, then one of marco/Ghost is scum, but the other's town. Essentially, those three names contain one scum, no more and no less.

[Friend]

Not doing a big catchup post.

I don't know Bogre's choices, I PM'ed the mod and asked for them.

Mastin is town, Mr. Sub is town, Nikanor is town. Hiplop is town. LLD too.

I think dana probably would give scum the town wincon. Andrius saying it doesn't clear him as town.

Don't think vezok would fuck up a fakeclaim that bad, especially referencing the picture. I doubt scum got pictures with their fakeclaims and who knows if vezo is smart enough to look it up.

The toogeloo wagon is definitely the best as of this moment.

VOTE TOOGELOO

[vezokpiraka]

In Brightest Day, scum had full fakeclaims that included everything (like win conditions) except for the picture

pornography

.

If vezokpiraka is antitown

lynch vezok

, he has a fakeclaim.

I'll defer to the Subject Matter Experts

nerds

as to whether Ice could be a White Lantern

racist

.

For God's sake. Try to get this right.

We are playing in Brightest Day.

Blackest night ended.

[Mr Subliminal]

For God's sake. Try to get this right.

We are playing in Brightest Day.

Blackest night ended.

This is really rich

sarcasm

coming from someone who has already screwed up their nameclaim

fakeclaim

.

[Nikanor]

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME REALLY SLOWLY WHY ANDRIUS IS SCUMMY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
Seriously there are five people on the wagon and about thirty people (at least half of which are probably scum) saying "yup Andy sure is scummy!" without voting him. Nobody else finds that a bit suspicious?

Blackest night ended.

In THIS universe, maybe. But you have to remember... this is a DC game.

[Friend]

I don't necessarily see Andrius as SCUM WHO NEEDS TO DIE NOW but he's not a townread of mine.

[ToastyToast]

must have forgotten about it in all the games we've played together Y? oh yahhhhh

I've voted you in every game of skype mafia too

Clarify please. So we're not scummy? Just moving there as you decide whether or not to push these lynches? Because I find tans very town ATM.

Wanted everyone on the list to answer to my suspicions. The only person who has failed is nopoint.

Unvote:Vote:Nopoint

Also, I find tans very town atm too now that he explained it.

I'm still down for a massclaim. Think the game is breakable (even to a degree- destroying the scumteam/Cult would be worth it IMO)

que?!?!?!?! Like, a full mass-claim??

*If ToastyToast is scum, these names are both town. If ToastyToast is town, then one of marco/Ghost is scum, but the other's town. Essentially, those three names contain one scum, no more and no less.

Is this based on PoE or...?

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME REALLY SLOWLY WHY ANDRIUS IS SCUMMY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
Seriously there are five people on the wagon and about thirty people (at least half of which are probably scum) saying "yup Andy sure is scummy!" without voting him. Nobody else finds that a bit suspicious?

I agree with this, which is why I'm changing my vote for the moment.
But I'll summarize my reasons:
1) Using Dumb-moments and Scum-moments as synonyms
2) Role-fishing
3) Too much speculation

I THINK WE HAVE A SK/OTHER GROUP WITH CRAZY WINCON HERE BECAUSE OUR TOWN WINCON NECESSITATES A TOWNIE LEFT ALIVE, THEREFORE SOMEONE CAN WIN WHEN EVERYONE IS DEAD.

Well black lanterns=dead.

[Candle Jack]

Andius answered our question.

Unvote
Vote: ooba

This wagon needs to happen. Firstly, Ooba starts the game with a joke about voting LLD, which is normal, but then immediatly glosses over joke voting LLD, despite given a golden opportunity to do so with her 'slip' when she typed goon, instead rolling the dice and going with their results on who to vote. I'm not sure why he did this, but it is more likely that town would have plunked down a vote on LLD without worrying instead of ignoring that opportunity and moving onto something else alltogether. (voting vezok)

Also, the fact that through nine posts he has not gotten a single thought in about who is more likely scum than town, or who the cult recruiter is (instead promising it in three days (?)),but has instead talked about the flavour of the game (and his speculation isn't even that helpful) definently is more likely to come from someone anti-town who wants to wait and see how things unfold.

Ooba,

1. I want to hear who you think is cult recruiter now, not in three days
2. Why are you

totally

ignoring the mafia when there is multiple times more mafia than cult currently in this game
2a. Do you think mafia and cult act differently?
3. Who do you think is mafia?

[Candle Jack]

If we had full agreement at this moment we would be tempted to vote Andrius. His tone reads much like scum Andy trying to fake Town Andy. Also based on what we have stated before in thread a mass-claim ISN’T going to magically ‘catch’ the scum based on the variety of ways the Mods can form the scum-team from ANY of the three categories. He has to know that this set-up isn’t likely breakable via the groups like Blackest Night.

@Frozen

1. What

specifically

sounds like scum andius instead of town andrius?
2. Do you think his attempt to try and break the setup is more likely to come from someone anti-town?
2a. Also, why do you immediatly discourage talking about the possibility of breaking the setup?
3. What sort of massclaim are you talking about, the one we are currently doing, or something else?