Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:58 am

That means that HackerHuck/RedCoyote and Empking are scum.

That's it.

Crazy · Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:26 pm

@Empking - Why did you used to have a town read on DGB but now you have a scum read?

@imaginality - Explain Ranmaru's "catch" on smalls, please. I want you to explain it and not Ranmaru.

The HH/RC wagon I don't get yet. I looked through RC's ISO and he doesn't seem like a likely partner to Kunkstar (not

impossible

, but hardly likely.) I gotta look at why other people found him scummy, but I'm not up to doing all that tonight.

Does anyone have a strong objection to a Quilford wagon?

Crazy · Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:31 pm

imaginality wrote:@Crazy: What's your read on DGB today?

She's still prob-town for not jumping on the WLC wagon - even though (a) her neck was on the line and (b) she had just replaced in so she could come up with any reads she wanted.

Why do

you

still think DGB is scum despite that? And same question

@Empking

.

Ranmaru · Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:26 pm

Never will get on a Quilford wagon.

Ranmaru · Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:27 pm

Empking wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Crazy has been lynched?

no

can we lynch this scum soon

No we are not lynching Crazy anymore. Go back on Smalls

smallpeoples343 · Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:28 pm

I don't see Quilford being that scumlike...

Hmm... DGB, you should tell me how you come up with those numbers.

PEdit: Again, now you guys are lynching me because???

imaginality · Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:33 pm

@Crazy: What Ranmaru caught was smallpeoples343 saying he would have voted DGB if she wasn't at L-2, but then voting HackerHuck, who was

also

at L-2. I don't find it likely he miscounted (if he's worried enough to not put someone at L-1, he's worried enough to count the votes on the other person he's about to vote, too), and I think there could well be scumminess behind the difference. Though that's not the only reason for me voting him - I gave a bunch of reasons a while ago and some of those still apply.

(Incidentally, I also don't think DGB genuinely got confused between L-2 and hammer votes

three times

. I think the 'oh woe you lynched me I'm town' ones were attempts to change people's reads on her, and the latest one was just to make the earlier ones seem more believable by 'miscounting' someone else's votes rather than hers.)

As for why DGB is scum despite not going for WLC, it's simple risk-reward:

1. Voting WLC and pushing his lynch through: avoids getting lynched that day, but then she almost certainly gets lynched as obvscum the next day. Net result: one town for one scum. Low risk low reward.
2. Calling WLC town: might get lynched that day, but if she can get out of being lynched, she has a good chance of looking very town because of that action. Net result: some chance of getting lynched + some chance of being able to gain a lot of towncred and stay alive to endgame. Higher risk, higher reward.

DGB doesn't strike me as a low-risk player. And she mentioned how she'd come into some other game and saved herself from being at L-1, talking people into changing their opinions on her within a page or so, so I think she'd come into this game backing herself to do the same. (Being a recent replacement makes it easier to pull off, too, since some players are inclined to give replacements time to prove themselves.)

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:47 pm

smallpeoples343 wrote:Hmm... DGB, you should tell me how you come up with those numbers.

Sum of probability of scum on wagons times 100.

smallpeoples343 · Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:33 pm

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks

Ranmaru · Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:34 pm

Why isn't Smalls lynched yet?

smallpeoples343 · Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:35 pm

Why even are we lynching me?

Ranmaru · Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:36 pm

Because you are scum.

imaginality · Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:22 pm

Crazy wrote:Does anyone have a strong objection to a Quilford wagon?

When DGB, smallpeoples343 and you are all still alive? Yes.

Quilford · Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:11 pm

VOTE: Crazy
VOTE: Empking

Ranmaru · Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:59 pm

WTF ARE YOU DOING QUIL

Quilford · Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:28 am

Hush. Wait and see.

Empking · Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:55 am

Crazy wrote:@Empking - Why did you used to have a town read on DGB but now you have a scum read?

"Just kill me waah waah wah".

(My original vote was just based oln the idea that you, Amrun, myself and DGB all being town was crazy.)

imaginality · Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:31 am

@ the people voting HackerHuck (Amrun, DGB, smalls):

Do you think Ranmaru is scum and lying about having reasons to believe HackerHuck to be town? If you have a townread on Ranmaru, then why are you still voting HackerHuck given what Ranmaru said rather than waiting til things become clearer?

smallpeoples343 · Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:36 am

UNVOTE: HackerHuck, VOTE: Ranmaru

I don't think Ranmaru has enough votes, and with the post(s) above, I think I'm not going to be the only person going against him.

Empking · Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:39 am

smallpeoples343 wrote:UNVOTE: HackerHuck, VOTE: Ranmaru

I don't think Ranmaru has enough votes, and with the post(s) above, I think I'm not going to be the only person going against him.

Mason.

imaginality · Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:51 am

Also, Crazy is L-1 at the moment.

I was suspicious of him D1 for a few reasons. He stayed off the Hiraki wagon - but his votes were also on town (WLC and me) so I'm not giving him any credit for that anymore. I didn't like his reasons for his WLC votes and pressure, and he did push hard in getting WLC mislynched. He's tied with likely-scum DGB (defending her with the "she's town if WLC flips town" line at the time she came in and more recently too (I notice he's not trying to defend any of her other actions like her AtE or her hammering kunkstar7 without waiting for a claim). He's also tied with known-scum kunkstar7, having defended him. It might be slightly early in the day still, but all in all I'm considering hammering Crazy.

So,
@Crazy: claim please.

imaginality · Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:58 am

Wow, did smalls really just vote Ranmaru?

Like, seriously?

I dunno... if he

didn't

forget Ranmaru is mason, that seems more dumb than scum. Scum can't seriously think trying to push a wagon on a non-counter-claimed mason is a good idea.

On the other hand, if he

did

forget Ranmaru is mason, that seems more scummy. Town trying to figure out who else is town are more likely to remember that than scum who know the town are everyone but them.

Which is it smalls, are you dumb or scum?

smallpeoples343 · Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:03 am

Just dumb, I think I've said this multiple times.

imaginality · Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:11 am

So, you know Ranmaru is an un-counter-claimed mason?

So, what's your reason for voting him?

imaginality · Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:34 am

@Crazy, you can hold off from claiming while smalls explains his reason for voting someone he knows to have claimed mason.