The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

We already know there's a scum roleblocker. Scum RB blocks Amrun, done.

[Iecerint]

That doesn't make much sense. Amrun->ABR was claimed ahead of time. Why would scum care whether the flavor-using townie was blocked? If it was to set you up, I'm very impressed that they managed to keep their mouths shut during that time.

Also, we had inferred that Kdub was blocked at the time IIRC.

[Iecerint]

Another point: why would Ooba select ABR as the player to be blocked when there were 2 scums left (at least) and it would be obv that they'd just have the other one kill? O.o

[ooba]

I'll admit Kast makes a good point about Amrun on ABR ..
- Scum blocking Amrun doesn't make sense because Kdub was already blocked that day
- Only reason which could have made sense is Amrun switching targets. But I don't see why she would.
@Iece - I selected Amrun to check ABR because I thought the "Send messages to people" is a useless power for scum to have. So I wanted her to check what she got by stealing from ABR. (Amrun couldn't block anyway - that was N1 when she stole from Robo - she could at max prevent scum from using their normal power)

I'm re-reading the game from the beginning to realign reads..

I don't want Sathoris\Iecerint to vote before I'm done - give me 24 hours ..

[ooba]

Ok. Started off by looking at Fitz's later posts.
- In 795: He calls me a player of "unknown alliance"
- 831 is another motherload of info: He calls me a SK because of I'm a BP (making no mention of Sathoris who was also a BP). He also talks about the daykill in the same breath as he talks about the SK.
I'll let you be the judge of it - but those of you pushing me\ABR would do well to look at this post where he suspects I'm the SK (aka meaning I'm not mafia)
- 833: Sort of backtracks from it. Says he thinks daykill cannot be scum. Also hasn't been in a game with daykill SK - so has to be town driven..

He softprotects ABR in 831 and 847. Also kast in 831.

My read is that:
- The daykill was not from scum, but from a SK
- Scum probably hit me N2 when I mass roleblocked

So I specifically searched for any mentions of a SK after our mass claim.
- Full disclosure: I myself speculated on a SK in 756. (Also brought up 791)
- 763: Kast displays the same tells that fit does. Specifically calling ME the sk - while not commenting on Sathoris being the BP - (he mentions Sathoris in a separate Spoiler). Also soft defends Fitz and wants to move ooba\Fitz to another day.
- 776: Iece says daykill might be mafia one-shot
- 806: Sathoris on ABR as SK
- 804: Kast - Multiple shot Day SK is silly
- 860: Sathoris - More SK talk and he also trusts me
Next day
- 938: Sathoris - ABR is still the SK. (Compare with Kast's 937 of suspicion on ABR). Also softprotects Kast
- 947: Kast - More SK spec. This time Sathoris is the SK and ABR is mafia.

Also just looking at the general congruence in similarity of SK reactions of Fitz-Kast-Sathoris, I think Iece was right when he said Fitz wasn't a traitor. Also makes Iece town with his tinkerbell result.

- I'm putting my money on Kast,Sathoris=Mafia, ABR=SK right now. (Because ABR has non-mafia tells in 733 where he's WIFOMs it up with Fitz and 942 where he tries to paint the daykiller as Mafia. Plus no way we have a Sathoris-ABR pairing. Plus a SK-who-cannot be roleblocked fitz perfectly with N3)

Vote: Sathoris

@Iece

- I know I'm town. Sathoris's BP claim directly contradicts mine. He is scum.
Let's analyze at how the SK would play - He really wouldn't go "X is the SK" over multiple posts so he isn't the SK. Just go through the reactions in the posts I've highlighted for you above.
My read has you as the other townie so I need your support on this.

[Iecerint]

To be frank, your "my role means the normal logic does not apply" logic is what I often use as scum when I'm playing the analytical angle. So I am suspicious.

I don't understand why Fitz softprotecting ABR is relevant if ABR is the SK.

I think a fixation on SK-exists type perspectives is actually an SK/mafia tell, because those alignments know whether an SK exists and town does not.

I think it's weird that you think Fitz wasn't a traitor, but you don't think he was scum with ABR in spite of the flavor-spec that resulted in killed scum from your PoV.

Why do you think scum hit you N2?

[ooba]

To be frank, your "my role means the normal logic does not apply" logic is what I often use as scum when I'm playing the analytical angle. So I am suspicious.

I don't understand why Fitz softprotecting ABR is relevant if ABR is the SK.

I think a fixation on SK-exists type perspectives is actually an SK/mafia tell, because those alignments know whether an SK exists and town does not.

I think it's weird that you think Fitz wasn't a traitor, but you don't think he was scum with ABR in spite of the flavor-spec that resulted in killed scum from your PoV.

Why do you think scum hit you N2?

I don't understand the first paragraph.
I might be wrong with my analysis so thought I'll note all relevant info.
About the fixation tell - how does that detract from my case?
Flavor spec was good but ABR never displays any SK paranoia at all.
Fitz's reaction gave me those vibes - the sudden burst of suspicion on me for no reason ..

[Albert B. Rampage]

That doesn't make much sense. Amrun->ABR was claimed ahead of time. Why would scum care whether the flavor-using townie was blocked? If it was to set you up, I'm very impressed that they managed to keep their mouths shut during that time.

Also, we had inferred that Kdub was blocked at the time IIRC.

Amrun wanted to block me for what? How did you know Amrun didn't just target someone else?

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

5.2

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Albert B. Rampage [1] – Kast
Kast [1] – Albert B. Rampage
Sathoris [1] – ooba

Not Voting

– Iecerint, Sathoris

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With 5 players alive, it is 3 votes to lynch.
Deadline is August 6th at 8pm PST (11pm EST).

[Kast]

@Ooba-
I'm amused at how all the instances of "Kast-mentioned-SK-so-he-must-be-mafia" are direct responses to Ooba questioning/speculating about an SK.

You've acknowledged ABR's slip regarding Amrun and concluded that ABR is the SK? Come again? How did ABR-SK know about a mafia ability and convince mafia to work with him to support a fake claim about that?

Seems like you're just stretching and throwing up random references to convolute the issue.

@ABR-
Nice try, but Amrun said pretty clearly that she would block/steal you to confirm whether you are telling the truth about your ability or not. You missed this and slipped with your claim.

[Iecerint]

@ ABR -- While it is possible that Amrun targeted someone else -- she was killed that night, so we'll never know -- I am skeptical that she would deviate from the plan after saying she would follow it, especially after Ooba made the plan and his prior action re: fitz had been successful.

@ Ooba -- The fixation tell detracts from your case because your case tells us to lynch Sath over ABR presumably because you think ABR is the SK, and not Sath, but I think evidence you yourself present contradicts or at least neutralizes that.

If your intent is not to differentiate SK-scum from mafia-scum, please correct me.

It could just as well be that there is no SK and the mafia got a free kill (hence, no SK paranoia from scum). This is actually the likely case if you are town, because it would match up with the free mafia kill in the other game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care about this game. Just vote for me. I don't care.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This setup is confusing. I've told the truth at every corner. I didn't gambit or lie or hold anything back like I usually do. I did engineer the massclaim, iso me.

If you think I'm scum because of night actions, flavor, shit like that, that's fine with me and I don't have to bother reading this thread to answer any accusations on my play.

Goodbye.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game really annoyed me from the beginning and I don't want to sink any more of my precious time reading your lies and weaksauce reasoning. I'm done with this stupid game.

Request deadline

[Albert B. Rampage]

August 6th is too far.

Request replacement

[Iecerint]

Then you should have replaced out.

Deadline is August 6th.

P-edit: Oh my.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Iecerint

You ARE scum.

[Iecerint]

Nope. Scum can probably lynch me with the SK if they really want to, though, provided he exists.

My current thinking is that I don't think ABR and Ooba are both town, and I don't think Ooba would behave this way re: ABR if oobaScumABRTown. So I'm pretty sure ABR is scum...

But I'd prefer to lynch the Sath/Ooba scum if possible, provided that the one I choose is mafia and not the SK, but that's riskier.

Sath, if you are the SK, please claim SK. Then I will know not to lynch you today (cuz lynching SK given that there is one -> town loss). Scum can't harm you at night given that you're the SK, anyway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is why I'm town.

Albert B. Rampage [1] – Kast
Kast [1] – Albert B. Rampage
Sathoris [1] – ooba

I can't be partners with both Kast AND Sathoris. Yet I'm not bandwagonning either of them. This should ring a little alarm bell that says I'm town.

[Iecerint]

That makes no sense to me.... Sath and I aren't voting anyone at all. That doesn't make us town.

The lack of quickhammer (if that's what you're referring to) can be explained with ABRscum two ways:

1. The mafia can't account for the SK kill, so they are playing cautiously to avoid negative N5 events.
2. You are scum with someone who is already voting, so you cannot quickhammer. The simplest explanation is that you are scum with Ooba, and you obviously don't want to quickhammer yourself along with Ooba, so you can't quickhammer anyone.

[Sathoris]

This is why I'm town.

Albert B. Rampage [1] – Kast
Kast [1] – Albert B. Rampage
Sathoris [1] – ooba

I can't be partners with both Kast AND Sathoris. Yet I'm not bandwagonning either of them. This should ring a little alarm bell that says I'm town.

It's 9v3v1 so that argument is invalid.

That said I'm sure Kast or ABR is a good mafia lynch. Given Kast's debunking of ABR I'm in favor of him if others agree.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm so incredibly town this game it's impossible to miss.

[Kast]

Vote: Iecerint

You ARE scum.

This is why ABR is definitely one of the mafia (along with almost 100% Ooba-scum and very likely Sath-SK). If we follow Ooba's inconsistent claims, Sath and I could and would have switched votes and lynched Iec for a scum win.

We've both been active in this same time period and we've both posted since you voted. There's NO other explanation for this. More ABR-votes please.

[Kast]

I was wondering why Ooba doesn't just go with the ABR lynch and kill me tonight for the double night. I just realized Ooba probably wants to lynch Sath on the off-chance that Sath is non-SK and is afraid of Kast hiding behind town-BP and thereafter lynching him tomorrow.

@Iec-
Is the reason you want to lynch between Sath/Ooba because you think one is BP SK and one is BP mafia?

[Iecerint]

We've both been active in this same time period and we've both posted since you voted. There's NO other explanation for this. More ABR-votes please.

The hypo-SK confuses things a little.

I was wondering why Ooba doesn't just go with the ABR lynch and kill me tonight for the double night. I just realized Ooba probably wants to lynch Sath on the off-chance that Sath is non-SK and is afraid of Kast hiding behind town-BP and thereafter lynching him tomorrow.

@Iec-
Is the reason you want to lynch between Sath/Ooba because you think one is BP SK and one is BP mafia?

But you claimed you couldn't do that anymore.

It's because the probability of cross-kills increases as claimed BPs decrease, and we need a cross-kill.