Mini 269 - Game Over

[Green Crayons]

so you are a cop and "forgot" your one and only view....

So I overextended myself and was currently involved in four games alongside my extremely large work load.

GC-here's my big question. How did you know I was a cop before I knew?

Because that's what the mod told me.

[halo freak]

MatJoeman has been prodded already and hasn't picked that up. Maybe modkill time.

[Shamrock]

Try and find a replacement first...

[Matjoeman]

Whoa whoa, sorry I had an unexpected school project.

Anyway, I am the backup doc. GC was telling the truth. I was informed of this day 2. I protected Adele night 2, and Warpdragon night 3.

Vote: Shamrock

[Poirot]

...wow...
Thank you mjm. That clears up a lot.

Unvote, Vote Shamrock

[BabyJesus]

...wow...
Thank you mjm. That clears up a lot.

Unvote, Vote Shamrock

are you kidding? Did you expect otherwise? Seems obvious, if GC is scum he would have been a scum investigator.

I'd still rather lynch GC today. If he comes up clean, then we can lynch Shamrock tomorrow.

[BabyJesus]

so you are a cop and "forgot" your one and only view....

So I overextended myself and was currently involved in four games alongside my extremely large work load. .

I can't possibly imagine being in game as a cop, where you are viewing everything in light of your investigations, and FORGETTING who you know to be innocent... Maybe if you had said you thought he might be GF, sure. But simply forgetting who you viewed while you ere reading the game thread. please.

[Shamrock]

Yup, he must be a scum rolecop. Because I DID get a "has a gun" investigation on him - I'm looking at it now - and so he IS lying about his role.

At the very least, if I get lynched and turn up as Gunsmith, lynch GC.

[Shamrock]

Bump since this fell beneath MeMe's post sorting spam.

[BabyJesus]

can we please lynch GC? tia

[Shamrock]

Here's the possibilities I'm seeing, in order of likelihood:

1. GC is a scum rolecop.
2. GC is scum that made a really lucky guess.
3. GC is town and his role has a gun for some freakish reason.
4. I'm some kind of random gunsmith.
5. The mod gave me the wrong result.

I'm guessing #1 for now, the others seem ridiculous. Let's just lynch GC and we'll find out.

[Poirot]

Okay, okay...
Shamrock, if you're wrong, you're the next to go.

Unvote, Vote GreenCrayons

[Green Crayons]

Here's the possibilities I'm seeing, in order of likelihood:

I like how all of your possibilities make one major assumption: That you're innocent. There's the flaw to your entire list, that you're some how cleared to the town. You're not. In fact, I'm saying you're a scumbag.

Warp made a comment a while ago about it being strange about me putting forth mat's role at this point in the game. I did it because i knew that my play style this game has been iffy at best, and I would need to provide the town with some confirmation as to what my role ability is. The fact that mat has spoken up and confirmed my ability

should

speak in my defense.

Instead, there has been the accusation that I'm a mafia cop that has been laid out on the table. Do you realize how pointless a mafia cop is in general, much less in a game this small? Offsetting an apparently powerful town with a nearly pointless mafia role does not a balanced game make. Speedy's role would help balance the game if there was a name investigator on the town's side, not the mafia's.

Instead, your claimed role, if true, leaves us with a setup of: 2 docs, 2 cops, 2 masons, 1 town power-vote role, 1 role designed to mess up the mafia's single benefit, 3 mafia - one of which is an investigator, and one other (warp). I don't see balance in the setup you apparently are advocating.


I'm also surprised that nobody else has made any comment about Shamrock's incessant push for a lynch. And not just with these final posts, but from the very beginning of the day - even before everyone had shown up, namely the player who would help out my case, mat. Which leads me to believe that this game

isn't

as imbalanced as it appears on the surface, as Shamrock wants us to believe. Instead, Shamrock's a scum who has been trying to push a quick lynch for one reason or another - which is why I'm not all gun-ho about lynching me to proove Shamrock's scumminess. He probably has something up his sleeve to help balance out the game. Which is why I want him dead before myself.

I can't possibly imagine being in game as a cop, where you are viewing everything in light of your investigations, and FORGETTING who you know to be innocent... Maybe if you had said you thought he might be GF, sure. But simply forgetting who you viewed while you ere reading the game thread. please.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but mafia doesn't occupy my mind until usually i get a small window of free time between school and work. I don't mull things over in the meanwhile, I don't contemplate the games I'm in - in fact, i forget they exist for the most part. When I come back to the game, especially when I'm in more than one, I don't remember which roles I have, what night actions I've done, and sometimes mix up player names in games. But that's fine, because I come to the game and reread it each time as if I'm a simple townie, which is a great strategy regardless of role, alignment, etc. - which is what I did during this game, and which is why I was suspicious of Poirot regardless of my night investigation. He was acting suspicious, therefore, I voiced an opinion of my suspicions.

[BabyJesus]

I am a tabloid reporter. Each night, I must invent a contrived, wacky role for another player. I expect there is some sort of non-sane coplike role who is intended to be mislead by my inventions. I want to tell you beforehand exactly what I am doing, so if anybody comes accross these roles, you will know they are fake.

So, it sounds like your role could actually work against the town, as if there are any cops out there that get role-names, you would make their investigations worthless. I'm not saying that you're pro-mafia (though tabloid reporters

are

evil...), just that your role could possibly be detrimental to the town. However, it doesn't make sense to have a town role be harmful only to the town.

Therefore, simple deduction means that there's probably a mafia investigator or somesuch that gets role names

..

So, GC, your claim is that you get role names......

[Green Crayons]

You're taking a quote out've the context of the timeframe of which it was made. That was said near the beginning of the game. As in, prior to knowing more than half of the roles of the game. It had crossed my mind, at the time, that it was within the realm of possibility that there was a mafia investigator as well as myself whom the tabloid reporter could have "screwed" up investigations.

However, now, being more enlightened as to the setup, a mafia investigator does not balance the game we're apparently in, and I'm obviously not backing up what i said before, because - i know this apparently may come to as a shock - guesses made early on in a game may be mistakes and later can, and should, be corrected and modified, as I have done.

[Shamrock]

Here's the possibilities I'm seeing, in order of likelihood:

I like how all of your possibilities make one major assumption: That you're innocent. There's the flaw to your entire list, that you're some how cleared to the town. You're not. In fact, I'm saying you're a scumbag.

I'm saying I'm innocent because I KNOW I'm innocent. Why bother including scenarios that I know are false?

I'm also surprised that nobody else has made any comment about Shamrock's incessant push for a lynch. And not just with these final posts, but from the very beginning of the day - even before everyone had shown up, namely the player who would help out my case, mat. Which leads me to believe that this game

isn't

as imbalanced as it appears on the surface, as Shamrock wants us to believe. Instead, Shamrock's a scum who has been trying to push a quick lynch for one reason or another - which is why I'm not all gun-ho about lynching me to proove Shamrock's scumminess. He probably has something up his sleeve to help balance out the game. Which is why I want him before myself.

I'm not usually this agressive, but I'm pushing for your lynch because

I know you're lying scum

and I see no point in keeping you alive.

[BabyJesus]

You're taking a quote out've the context of the timeframe of which it was made. That was said near the beginning of the game. As in, prior to knowing more than half of the roles of the game. It had crossed my mind, at the time, that it was within the realm of possibility that there was a mafia investigator as well as myself whom the tabloid reporter could have "screwed" up investigations.

However, now, being more enlightened as to the setup, a mafia investigator does not balance the game we're apparently in, and I'm obviously not backing up what i said before, because - i know this apparently may come to as a shock - guesses made early on in a game may be mistakes and later can, and should, be corrected and modified, as I have done.

Or, you KNEW there was a mafia rolename investigator because YOU WERE ONE....

[Green Crayons]

I'm saying I'm innocent because I KNOW I'm innocent. Why bother including scenarios that I know are false?

And I'm saying I'm innocent because I know my own innocence as well. The whole point of providing scenarios that take every possibility into account is that it provides the town, who is not convinced one-hundred percent of either of our's innocence, is that it allows them to take a balanced view on the situation. You're providing a biased opinion that chooses to ignore a very important point - that you're scum. By ignoring it, you've totally circumvented even addressing this point outside of repeating "I'm innocent," which has no credible evidence in support it.

I'm not usually this agressive, but I'm pushing for your lynch because I know you're lying scum and I see no point in keeping you alive.

Ah, well, here we go, i'll take a line from you: But I know I'm innocent. And it's true. Therefore, the logical thing to do is to allow the town the opportunity to make an informed decision when two people are simply pointing fingers at one another. You want to totally circumvent this rationale and have the town blindly follow you.

Or, you KNEW there was a mafia rolename investigator because YOU WERE ONE....

Then again, I'm not an idiot. And if me mentioning a possibility of a role equates to me having that role, I enjoy how you ignore the fact that the first part of my quotation mentions a role-cop - you, of course, have to, because the logic that you're professing (I mentioned there might be a role, so i

must

be that role!) doesn't have a way of dealing with the mention of two roles by the same person, and how can a person have two role alignments at once?

Basically, it comes down to this: I'm claiming rolename cop. Shamrock is claiming gun-cop. I have a bit of backup in terms of my claim - mat's affirmation of his role name. Shamrock only has heresay about his own innocence. My role at least adds some sort of sembalance of balance to the game. Shamrock's only piles more weight onto the town's side, making it an absurd imbalance. I have been wanting the whole town here to think and discuss prior to voting. Shamrock has been wanting a quick lynch.

[BabyJesus]

Basically, it comes down to this: I'm claiming rolename cop. Shamrock is claiming gun-cop. I have a bit of backup in terms of my claim - mat's affirmation of his role name. Shamrock only has heresay about his own innocence. My role at least adds some sort of sembalance of balance to the game. Shamrock's only piles more weight onto the town's side, making it an absurd imbalance. I have been wanting the whole town here to think and discuss prior to voting. Shamrock has been wanting a quick lynch.

Oh, I believe you are a rolename cop....the question is whose side are you on? I'd be more apt to believe you if you weren't caught fos'ing and casting suspicion on someone you claim you knew was innocent. And yes, I heard your excuse that you were busy and forgot both your role and you only investigation result. That's a crappy excuse, and you know it.

[BabyJesus]

unvote

for now.

[BabyJesus]

Don't cops show up as having guns?

[BabyJesus]

Older vote tally the day we ran up like 4-5 people up. (day 2 I think)

Vote Count

1 Falcone (armlx)
4 Green Crayons (

Dodgy

,

Falcone

, Baby J)
1 Armlx (green crayons)

hmm....both the known scum on GC here. Seems unlikley they'd be throwing their scum buddy under the bus here, the only other person there is me.

Now I'm not so sure GC is the play today.

[BabyJesus]

Why didn't Poirot die last night??

[BabyJesus]

Note before Dodgy responds: I have a way to confirm my role, so at least let me claim if he lies and says that I am scum and you decide to believe him.

I'd like to hear Warp's role, and how he can prove it...

[Shamrock]

But GC isn't a cop, he's a "notary republic". There isn't really any reason he'd have a gun.