Open 316 - Hard Boiled (Day Two)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #925 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:49 pm

...

I have no idea what you're talking about. Just vote Coventry.

glowball · Post Post #926 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:08 pm

Okay part of me has just confirmed Silver as an actual PR because why would someone fake claim and then replace out. I mean fake claiming infers some sort of plan or stake in the game and then to just abandon it??? Doesn't make sense to me...

zMuffinMan · Post Post #927 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:52 pm

No, he's replacing out because he's busy...

glowball · Post Post #928 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Yeah but if he hasn't even caught up he'd have to have some pretty big cojones to just out and fake claim PR...

MrBump · Post Post #929 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:00 pm

silver... WHY...

Deadline in TWO DAYS, yo.

Vote Count 1.11

andrew94 - 3

(Amrun, Oversoul, chkflip)

Hoopla - 3

(glowball, DarkFlashlight, coventry)

coventry - 5 (L-2)

(zMuffinMan, neil1113, Hoopla, andrew94, silverbullet)

No Lynch - 1

(Quilford)

Not Voting:

N/A

With twelve alive, it takes

seven

to lynch! The deadline is on the 18th of July at 22:00 GMT!

Quilford · Post Post #930 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:12 pm

VOTE: andrew94

zMuffinMan · Post Post #931 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:43 pm

@Mod,

Coventry is voting Hoopla

And that votecount is funny

All my town reads, minus chk, on coventry, and my scum reads are split between hoopla and andrew. No surprises there.

Quilford · Post Post #932 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:16 pm

Who did Coventry replace?

Quilford · Post Post #933 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:17 pm

jakesh and evilpacman. humm

I can't really see them as scum tbqh

zMuffinMan · Post Post #934 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:23 pm

Why not?

{Amrun, chkflip, Coventry, DarkFlashlight}

^ Where's the scum there, Quilford?

Is it 1 or 2 there?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #935 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:48 pm

ftr, lynching the players in the 'lynch pool' at this point is a joke. You should only be lynching one of them if you truly believe they are scum, and if you do, I'd like to hear reasons why.

And regardless of whether you think one of them is scum, there's almost no chance that they're both scum, so you have to have at least one suspect in the vig pool.

MrBump · Post Post #936 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:01 pm

Thanks for pointing that out, Muffin! Fixed it =D

Quilford · Post Post #937 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:10 am

1 between DarkFlashlight and chkflip

zMuffinMan · Post Post #938 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:37 am

And that's it? Do you actually think andrew is scum? Why? And why do you think he volunteered for the lynch pool?

Amrun · Post Post #939 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:50 am

You think anyone who ever volunteered for a lynch would be town? That makes no sense.

Silver replacing out is a nulltell.

Quilford · Post Post #940 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:53 am

andrew94 wrote:i volunteer.
i guess hoopla looks pro town

unvote vote andrew

This feels insincere; his ISO is terrible, etc.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #941 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:00 am

No, Amrun, but in this circumstance, it does make them both town. With a lynch pool of 2 people, and 1 scum already in the claimed PR group, they'd be suicidal to offer themselves up for lynching when there's a 50/50 chance they die D1 and a 100% chance they die by D2 (at least, according to what we had planned).

quilford wrote:This feels insincere; his ISO is terrible, etc.

No, quilford. That's not a proper answer. andrew's iso is ALWAYS terrible, that doesn't make him scum every game. And you didn't answer my other questions.

Amrun · Post Post #942 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:01 am

Zmuffin, how is andrew's skimming this game different from his skimming in faith+1? I find he usually puts slightly more effort as town.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #943 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:52 am

He doesn't put more effort in as either alignment, really. Probably more effort defending himself when he's scum than being retarded in general. He's just being retarded in general in this game.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #944 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:57 am

Also never seen him gambit as scum. If he's scum in this game, I'd be surprised.

DarkFlashlight · Post Post #945 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:05 am

@Marill,

Silver can't be voting Jake, Jake is Coventry.

zMuffinMan wrote:btw, DF, who do you think is scum?

Are you voting Hoopla because you think she's scum or just because it 'gives more information' than an andrew lynch?

I'm voting Hoopla because it gives more information than an anyone-else lynch. Not to mention, she hasn't done anything townish other than make the plan, which was riddled with holes, and volunteer for the lynch pool, which there's a separate discussion on.

If Hoopla flips scum, then:
PR-You
Vig-chk

If Hoopla flips town, then:
PR-{Silver, Oversoul}
Vig (two of)-{Amrun, Quilford, Coventry}

zMuffinMan wrote:What do you think of the reason I think Hoopla/andrew are town?

zMuffinMan wrote:Everyone thought the lynch pool was just going to be two consecutive lynches, regardless of their alignment. Including Hoopla. It makes no sense for the scum team to gimp themselves like this, and you can cry WIFOM all you want, but with 1 scum in the PR pool already, I will bet anything the remaining two scum didn't have the balls to nominate themselves for the lynch pool.

That reason.

zMuffinMan wrote:Although I still request that neil uses his shot on someone in the vig pool and also announces it before nightfall to help the other PRs.

Agreed with this.

I wanna know what the Andrew wagon thinks of the Hoopla wagon.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #946 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:24 am

I don't really get it. Are you agreeing that it's unlikely scum would gimp themselves by volunteering for the lynch pool? If so, why vote Hoopla just for "information"?

Like I understand the reasoning behind your vote, and at least it's more acceptable than "derp, i think she's scum", but even if she hasn't done anything that makes you think she's town, she's still town just for volunteering herself.

The reason there was so much lashing out against my alteration to the plan was because everyone expected us to lynch between the two people who volunteered, just because that is what the plan suggested we do.

What about lynching someone from the vig pool today, vigging another tonight, and then considering Hoopla (or andrew) if we haven't hit scum before tomorrow and the non-vig PRs fail with their night actions?

Also, the hider could easily hide behind Hoopla or andrew and confirm their alignment.

MrBump · Post Post #947 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:36 am

Thanks, Darkie! I have no idea HOW I missed that...

glowball · Post Post #948 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:43 am

Today's lynch should be Hoopla, I think it provides more information regardless of the flip
If she flips town vig DarkFlashlight investigate one of the scummier PRs, and the hider can hide anywhere but behind neil, because he's probably going to die.

If she flips scum vig andrew/quilford, investigate zMuffinMan/Oversoul, and the hider can still hide anywhere but behind neil.

Those are just some ideas, options for PRs tonight. Everyone obviously will do what they want...just make good decisions

zMuffinMan · Post Post #949 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:07 am

....

^ That's who's one the Hoopla wagon with you, DF.

Posts like that are just... wow...

How does it make any sense to vig DF if Hoopla is town?

Why would the hider hide behind THE CLAIMED VIG?

How does it make any sense, whatsoever, to vig andrew if Hoopla is scum? You think andrew is scum with Hoopla and they both nominated themselves for the lynch pool with their third partner in the claimed PRs?

It baffles me, trying to understand the thought processes behind your posts.