Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[Mastermind of Sin]

No votes currently, I believe. Checking for prods.

[DeathNote]

Sorry... I would post more but I just dont see town winning. I think this is a scum vs scum game right now.

[Zindaras]

And I'm still befuddled as to the total lack of behavioural analysis. Fact is, I have much more of an incentive to do this as Merovingian than as Matrix. I was not on the block.

But as Merovingian, you would know that you have a greater incentive to do this as Matrix, and so the wine is clearly in front of me.

There is no WIFOM

. If I have a greater incentive to do something as Town than as Scum, then doing that makes me more likely to be Town. That's how Mafia works. Either

everything

is WIFOM or

nothing

is WIFOM.

WIFOM presupposes two choices which are exactly the same: Vizzini cannot distinguish between the two glasses of wine. If one glass is much fuller than the other, or if one glass has an odd green bubbling substance in it, then the whole argument falls apart.

If Albert is the serial killer, then good on him for putting himself in the best position to win this game. There's no way we can lynch a claimed Neo.

Alright, Zindaras, say I believe your claim. Say we're even skilled or lucky enough as a town to lynch an Agent, and the setup becomes TTT M AA. The Agents kill you tonight, and you lose, unless you have your Commuter power up. I'm assuming you do, otherwise you just got yourself killed. If you don't, you get nightkilled the next night.

You can't win this game, Zindaras.

You know it, too, and are trying to negotiate a "happily ever after". The thing is, we have no reason to accept that deal, even if you keep your word. Town can win this game. We also can't trust you to help us find Agents, because of the

possibility

that you might be an Agent pulling a gambit. You offer us nothing.

I'm starting to think that we don't win by lynching you, though. Town's best option is to lynch an Agent and vig-kill Zindaras. If you can commute and dodge the kill, you're confirmed. If you're lying, we vig'd an Agent. If you don't have your commuter up this night, it's like we lynched you anyway.

If we lynch an Agent today,

it doesn't matter if Zindaras is telling the truth or not

, and the town still has a chance to win. It removes the guesswork as to what the setup is. I think that's where we should focus our efforts.

You're cute, Brian. Very cute. Trying to redirect the Matrix's kill towards me. I would almost agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that it would likely kill me.

But, no. Matrix has much more of an incentive to kill Albert the coming night. If things go awry, they'd rather be stuck with me (in a PD) than with Albert (in a 3-player endgame with a 50/50 lynch). No. What I needed (and why I claimed) is to make it to PD intact. Town has no incentive to kill me (most importantly, I need to make sure Albert doesn't kill me). Essentially, Matrix has to kill me the coming night or the night afterwards. All I need to do is time the Commute perfectly and make the right decision in the PD endgame and I can win.

[Zindaras]

Leaving now, should have Internet this evening. If not, give me a couple of days. If everything goes wrong, please don't replace but hydra me, so that I can continue playing when I get back.

[SensFan]

Sorry... I would post more but I just dont see town winning. I think this is a scum vs scum game right now.

Reread the game and start posting in the next week, or I'll lynch you just to make damn sure you lose the game if you're Town.

[DeathNote]

Lol cause thats motivation

[BrianMcQueso]

You're cute, Brian. Very cute. Trying to redirect the Matrix's kill towards me.

Gee, ya got me. You managed to decipher that I would rather have the Agents kill a member of the other anti-town group than a member of the town.

But, no. Matrix has much more of an incentive to kill Albert the coming night. If things go awry, they'd rather be stuck with me (in a PD) than with Albert (in a 3-player endgame with a 50/50 lynch). No. What I needed (and why I claimed) is to make it to PD intact. Town has no incentive to kill me (most importantly, I need to make sure Albert doesn't kill me). Essentially, Matrix has to kill me the coming night or the night afterwards. All I need to do is time the Commute perfectly and make the right decision in the PD endgame and I can win.

Do the Agents have a great motivation to kill Albert? Yes.

Would they rather be stuck with you than Albert in an endgame scenario? I don't know, that's a strategic choice they have to make, and I can't read their minds.

Town has no incentive to kill you? Absolutely not. Despite what you might think otherwise, Zindaras, you're an enemy to the town, and an obstacle to our victory. Sure, we share the goal of "Agents must die", but it ends there. I'm not interested in helping you win this game.

Sorry... I would post more but I just dont see town winning. I think this is a scum vs scum game right now.

Then replace out. We can't force you to contribute, and we can't afford to mislynch you on that. Please either play the game or let someone else be useful in your place.

[SensFan]

Lol cause thats motivation

You know that as Town, being lynched ends the game and you lose.
You know that if you continue to refuse to contribute, you will be lynched.
Therefore, I have to assume that if you refuse to contribute, it's because you know that you being lynched won't cause you to lose.

[Zindaras]

You're cute, Brian. Very cute. Trying to redirect the Matrix's kill towards me.

Gee, ya got me. You managed to decipher that I would rather have the Agents kill a member of the other anti-town group than a member of the town.

*shrugs*

I don't reject your behaviour: I'm just pointing it out so that the Matrix Mafia doesn't follow you. It's not really in their best interest.

But, no. Matrix has much more of an incentive to kill Albert the coming night. If things go awry, they'd rather be stuck with me (in a PD) than with Albert (in a 3-player endgame with a 50/50 lynch). No. What I needed (and why I claimed) is to make it to PD intact. Town has no incentive to kill me (most importantly, I need to make sure Albert doesn't kill me). Essentially, Matrix has to kill me the coming night or the night afterwards. All I need to do is time the Commute perfectly and make the right decision in the PD endgame and I can win.

Do the Agents have a great motivation to kill Albert? Yes.

Would they rather be stuck with you than Albert in an endgame scenario? I don't know, that's a strategic choice they have to make, and I can't read their minds.

Town has no incentive to kill you? Absolutely not. Despite what you might think otherwise, Zindaras, you're an enemy to the town, and an obstacle to our victory. Sure, we share the goal of "Agents must die", but it ends there. I'm not interested in helping you win this game.

Don't be silly. Being stuck with me means we're in a PD. Being stuck with Albert means a standard endgame. It's obvious which one Matrix will prefer. And, my dear dear Brian, regardless of what happens, you cannot afford to lynch me today or have Albert vig me the coming night. That's what matters for me. I'm gambling on being in a PD tomorrow, at which point I can still win.

[SensFan]

Don't be silly. Being stuck with me means we're in a PD. Being stuck with Albert means a standard endgame. It's obvious which one Matrix will prefer. And, my dear dear Brian, regardless of what happens, you cannot afford to lynch me today or have Albert vig me the coming night. That's what matters for me. I'm gambling on being in a PD tomorrow, at which point I can still win.

Note that a PD is very much outside of the best interests of the Town.

[Zindaras]

Don't be silly. Being stuck with me means we're in a PD. Being stuck with Albert means a standard endgame. It's obvious which one Matrix will prefer. And, my dear dear Brian, regardless of what happens, you cannot afford to lynch me today or have Albert vig me the coming night. That's what matters for me. I'm gambling on being in a PD tomorrow, at which point I can still win.

Note that a PD is very much outside of the best interests of the Town.

And note that Town can't really do better than a PD as long as I don't kill a Matrix Mafiate the coming night.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Prodding ABR, Kison, and Porochaz.

[Porochaz]

Posting

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who is town

[Albert B. Rampage]

Deathnote claim, its massclaim time yo

[DeathNote]

Tots VT

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok town and Zindaras, follow my lead.

Vote: Porochaz

[SensFan]

Tots VT

Popcorn. Who's next?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yo we already decided we were lynching Porochaz. Follow the lead if you're town or Zindaras or SK.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And it's useless to claim a PR if we are already lynching Porochaz

[SensFan]

Let me finish my read before you agree on who to lynch, k? I promise I'm Town, Albert, and I wouldn't lie to you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But I already claimed a daycop guilty on Porochaz

[SensFan]

Oh. Cool, then.

Vote: Porochaz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Finish your read because I will be dead tomorrow

[SensFan]

Make sure you do your damn homework. If you fuck this up by either shooting when you shouldn't or not shooting when you should based on the flip of Poro, I swear I will take a bus to Montreal and track your ass down.