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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:01 am

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Nomination Count:


DrippingGoofball: 6 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Fritzler, petroleumjelly, the silent speaker, Thok, VitaminR)
Kelly Chen: 5 (Cogito Ergo Sum, Commodore Amazing, Fritzler, SpamWise, Thok)
Fritzler: 4 (Commodore Amazing, Kelly Chen, mathcam, petroleumjelly)
mikeburnfire: 4 (Fritzler, Kelly Chen, LoudmouthLee, Tamuz)
Cogito Ergo Sum: 3 (DrippingGoofball, mathcam, PookyTheMagicalBear)
mathcam: 3 (Seol, SpamWise, Turbovolver)
Adele: 2 (DrippingGoofball, Fiasco)
Commodore Amazing: 2 (Kelly Chen, Seol)
Seol: 2 (Adele, Fiasco)
Tamuz: 2 (Fiasco, LoudmouthLee)
Turbovolver: 2 (LoudmouthLee, mikeburnfire)
Fiasco: 1 (Adele)
LoudmouthLee: 1 (Turbovolver)
petroleumjelly: 1 (the silent speaker)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (DrippingGoofball)
the silent speaker: 1 (Turbovolver)
Thok: 1 (Adele)
VitaminR: 1 (Cogito Ergo Sum)
Werebear: 1 (Tamuz)

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The Nomination Phase ends in approximately 24 hours.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:07 am

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Turbovolver, you indicated mikeburnfire as suspicious for only defending himself. As you put it,
The fact that LoudmouthLee explains in such detail why such common behaviour is worthy of a vote makes me suspicious. As does MikeBurnFire trying and failing to explain such an insignificant event.
It was the insignificance of the event that made the 'trying and failing' noteworthy... but who determined that the event was significant? No one but you.

Of course you are entitled to your own suspicions. I have no problem with your characterization of LoudmouthLee as suspicious for harping on a point you felt insignificant. But
once it has been harped on
, especially by multiple people, what is mikeburnfire to do but address their apparent concerns?

So I fail to see where I dodged your complaints by playing word games. At any rate, now that you've said you no longer find mikburnfire especially suspicious, the whole discussion becomes moot. I never found you suspicious enough to warrant nomination (did you not notice that?) you've retracted the assertion I found questionable... if we're going to be playing word games, I suggest Boggle.

As for where you said, and I quote:
It sounded like you are saying we should get the people nominating one person with lots of nominations to nominate the other people with lots of nominations.
No, no, that's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I want the people with lots of nominations to be nominated by as
wide
a scatter as possible, so as to prevent the killers among us from dictating to the town a small group of choices all of them harmful. And VitaminR, on those lines, the minimum requirement for getting on the lynch block in the first place is two, but only the three people with the most total nominations go. Any others with more than the minimum but fewer than the top three (strictly fewer, because ties go to the block jointly) have simply dodged a bullet, so to speak.

Pooky, I think I see what you're saying about people's self-preservation nominations muddying the waters, and it's a concern, but as long as we remain wise to it when studying the patterns, it oughtn't do us too much harm. I agree that such 'get off my back' nominations are suspect behavior; if you're on our side, have faith in your own ability to convince us that the other two people are better choices.

Petroleumjelly, far be it from me to refuse a lady. Let's go see what we can find.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:30 am

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Fiasco, as you quite rightly point out, the nomination phase is nearly over. That is exactly why it is fruitless to nominate those who do
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influence - otherwise, why nominate? - and therefore my nominations are best served either to help cement the position of those who already have the most nominations, or those on the fringes of being nominated. We should all be trying to take actions that have consequences, for after all, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

That is why I opted to nominate those who had nominations already. Are my reasons arbitrary? Indeed, they are - at this stage, would it not be more concerning if they had an agenda behind them?
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:42 am

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VitaminR, I think that you misunderstand (or perhaps misrepresent) the requirements to be available for lynching; while one does need two nominations to be eligible for a lynch, only the three most nominated will be in danger of loosing their head. All others will be able to safely enjoy bananas and coconuts without fear of reprisal (at least for the next couple days). I suggest you reconsider the guidelines set forth by our gracious hosts.

I'm not sure if your mistake is a mere mental error, or if it is a subtle attempt to remove votes from the leading bandwagons. However, since I have no better use for my third nomination at the moment, I will use it to hound you.

Nominate VitaminR
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:59 am

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I read the rules, yet somehow forgot. I don't really see how that can be a subtle attempt, but I will watch your dogged hounding with interest. I hope this mistake not epitomise my play in the rest of the game, though.

Anyway, RE-EVALUATION!

As it stands now we have DrippingGoofball, Kelly Chen, Fritzler and mikeburnfire up for lynch.

I don't really see what Kelly Chen has done to warrant that place, but I find it interesting that Kelly has nominated both Fritzler and Mikeburnfire to take the heat off.

I shall join in the piling on of nominations.

Nominate: Kelly Chen
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:19 am

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Seol, I think we have enough material for (slightly) better than random nominations already; at least it's clear that some people think there are better than random targets, and if you disagree, then you could explain why, and you could counter these people by nominating the rivals of their nominees. If you assume that you really can't do better than random, then while random nominating probably can't hurt, I don't see why you would want to focus your nominations where they have a lot of impact (which you cited as your reason to hop onto the Com and Cam bandwagons).

Thok, you realize that by nominating VitaminR, you're actually rewarding him, right? At least, if his request for nominations is still open.

VitaminR, it amuses me that you nominated Kelly Chen for nominating two others on your list, but not Fritzler for nominating three others on your list.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:23 am

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Smiling graciously, PetroleumJelly says, "why thank you my dear Silent Speaker, this coconut husk bra is just the thing I needed. Not to mention this threadbare, skintight, pair of pants made from palm tree leaves and seaweed."

Adjusting the bra carefully, she adds her voice again to the discussion. "At the moment, I am still happy with both my current nominations, which are on DrippingGoofball and Fritzler, respectively. I agree with Thok that VitaminR does not seem to understand the nomination process correctly, although I do not find this worthy of a nomination in and of itself. I do, however, find the lack of discussion from certain people here disturbing."

Inquiringly, PJ navigates her way to VitaminR. "My dear VitaminR, I must point out that Ms. Chen had nominated Fritzler before he was ever a force in the nomination process. Although she indeed seemed to nominate MikeburnFire on the grounds that it was somebody besides herself, your statement was not completely true. Is there a reason for this? My third nomination shall go to you (despite the fact that I believe your misunderstanding of the nomation process was genuine) until you explain this to me satisfactorily."

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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:30 am

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VitaminR, I nominated Fritzler because I think he will campaign relentlessly to have me killed despite that this will damn all those voting me to a hot lake of fire. It's true that I am nominating mikeburnfire in attempt to take heat off of me.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:48 am

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Fiasco, I'm used to that kind of behaviour from Fritzler. It doesn't stand out as remarkable. I don't particularly appreciate his style, but I have to admit it says very little about his scumminess.

Also, I don't need any more nominations today.

THE DEMAND HAS BEEN SATISFIED!

PJ, Kelly's nomination of Fritzler may not have been early on that wagon, but the post in which he was nominated fits the later MBF nomination very well. Essentially three OMGUS-nominations on players that make good potential bandwagons. CES and Fritzler often find themselves under fire Day 1. CA was mentioned a lot pre-game.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:55 am

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Kelly Chen, I must say that you've shown a remarkable lack of knowledge when it comes to salads. Salads are always happy. Always. That's their great strength, although in some cases it is also their weakness.

Overall, I feel happy with my nominations. VitaminR's behaviour has been strange in some aspects, Kelly Chen's continuous religious references make me feel uneasy and DrippingGoofball is the leading wagon, which is always cool.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:00 pm

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I really think the current candidates are not chosen well. Considering the nomination leaders were all outspoken and "inflammatory" at the party, I get the impression we are still choosing people based on their behaviour back then, which I don't think we should be doing.

The Silent Speaker, how would you like it if you nominated someone and supplied a reason, but somebody said "Nuh-uh, that's just
your
opinion!". That's what you've done. You still haven't been able to explain how doing this is valid, you've just rephrased your point twice. Hence, word games.

I think I do see the point you were trying to get at, though. It's not the fact that what I said is only my opinion that is the problem, it's the fact that you don't agree with that opinion, and hence don't agree with the conclusions I made regarding MikeBurnFire. I suppose that's fair enough. Equipped with this understanding, I'm a little less suspicious of you. My nomination stands though, for the moment.

I will need some time to reflect... I'm sorry if I've been a bit hung up with Silent Speaker here.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:07 pm

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Turbo, you say that the current candidates are not chosen well, yet you still have a nomination on MBF. What does that mean? You're current nomination isn't a good one? Your analysis is downright scary.

People tend to act in certain ways. That's the nature of mafia. It is absolutely perplexing to me, however, that your recent affixation is with TSS. Whenever anyone makes a comment that there is an undisclosed reason for voting someone, the first thing that I know I think of is "knowledge." Your comment about Mathcam almost led me to make a nomination on him, yet, in what seemed like the blink of an eye, you managed to un-nominate him. It seems rather odd, and maybe it's just your way of playing, but sweeping, generalized statements, coupled with turn on a dime judgement makes me incredibly wary of you.

My nominations stand.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:40 pm

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MikeBurnFire does not have my nomination at this current time, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm also rather confused how my affixation with TSS suddenly turns into a discussion about my early vote for Mathcam. That was nothing to do with the discussion we had. As for the affixation itself, in my mind it is slightly more likely that TSS is a killer, when compared to a random one of us.

If you are still unhappy with my behaviour regarding Mathcam, I will try to explain again.

At first I had a hunch, based on his nomination of Fritzler. Then something better came along, so I removed my nomination from him. Once one of my three nominees wasn't really suitable anymore, I moved my nomination back onto Mathcam. It's still just a hunch.

There were two reasons for not initially disclosing my hunch - the first was that it wasn't a particularly strong reason, and the second was that it would spur discussion.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:54 pm

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Ah. Forgive me, dear sir. With the increasing number of posts, I must have glazed over the fact that the unnomination had occured. You can scrap my last post. Leave it buried with the dead.

Perhaps I was initally wrong about you, Turbovolver. I will need to ultimately re-read yet again. In other words, I am currently happier with your argument.

The problem, however, is that I hate the "spur discussion" line. It may be true, but it doesn't sit well with me. That's the only reason you aren't being un-nominated at this time.

I doubt it will matter right now regardless.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:26 pm

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(I'm afraid I'm goign to have to break character. I didn't even know the game had been started until I was poked in AIM. I posted that day, Friday, twice. I posted Saturday once. I posted Sunday once. I'm posting today, Monday. Where did I miss? I thought I was doing really really good, considering how quiet I am day 1 traditionally. If I have to post twice a day, I'm going to have to humbly request a replacement, sucky though that would be. All this)

I do not mind nominations, I'm actually surprised I haven't gotten more by now. To be honest, I don't know why we're here, I don't think I should be here, but our gracious host decided I should be here along with you, so here I am. Quite frankly, I find this discussion overextended, and hard to follow. There seems to be a lot being said, and very little being said. I actually feel that my last post was stating something that needed to be said quite clearly, instead of just talking for the sake of talking. Something that is in short supply here.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:00 pm

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It appears that the Agnostic, the Religious, and the Drunk are up for the lynch. I find it interesting what are perhaps the most colorful characters must be rid of first.

I for one was looking forward to some interesting debates with the Religious, copiously watered by the Drunk. It looks as if this will not happen at all.

I do find some comfort in being the center of attention, for I am given to blessing audience with long, well-thought out speeches. I don't know why this is so...

So that you all know. I am Robert Green Ingersoll, the Great Agnostic. I characterize mysself as an Atheist. Perhaps you ought to consider the kind of society you would be living in, had I not roused the crowds with my oratory gift.

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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:44 pm

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Well, it is interesting who are the inflammatory members of our small party. Interesting enough that they are also inflamatory in the real world. Although I have only one nominee in the top 4 at the moment, I am rather happy with those in the top four, however I believe engineering a tie is much better for us. As it stands he who is name VitmainR stands at 3 and has caught my attention. 4 will give us a platform of 5 to lynch from. I believe it is better to have such variety, especially with the new interests VitaminR has sparked.

And without further ado, I will place my final nomination in accordance to the anti-scum nominating accord of 2006:
nominate:VitaminR
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:00 pm

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So, I'm gonna go take some more tequilla. Will you guys tell me when you want me to to lynch someone? Seriously, I think we need to grow a sac, and kill someone. So I am basically being lynched cuz I'll likely get myself killed, correct? Wouldn't you guys rather have rivers of blood and have more people die?
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:26 pm

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I find this talk of religion intriguing, though I don't think it's going to get us any closer to a lynch.

My move for the day will be against Turbovolver. I'd like to weigh in that my favorite players of the game are currently Werebear and Adele.

Seol, I would like to let you know that I am paying plenty of attention, and I am not making any mistakes... except for the part about asking for auditions as early as I did. That was a mistake...

Okay, you win this round.

I'm sure my reasons will become apparent over time...

nominate: Turbovolver
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:31 pm

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A slow dramatic theme begins to play as Pooky munches on a pineapple while watching his fellow townsmen debate who to put on the lynching block. As the melodrama unfolds before him, Pooky contemplates what he should do while rubbing his contented belly. After a quick flick of the emptied coconut husk into the rainforest behind him, Pooky approaches the crowd at a leisurely hop


So have we decided on making four the ceiling for the third nomination in order to get as many people on the lynching block as possible? I agree with Mathcam about how it is probably beneficial to weed out those who might drop the ball later but if they are liable to drop the ball later, wouldn't they be just as liable to drop it sooner and be culled out before we reach such later stages anyway?

Pooky takes some time to look for Adele and sees her alone by the edge of the beach, crimson dress and hair billowing in the wind as she gazed out towards where the sea caressed the sky. Her visage was a lovely hue of red as the light from the setting sun cloaked her body in its last breaths. The chilly brine brushed across her feet and paused to savor the moment before returning to the ocean. As the sunset silhouetted her beauty, Pooky wondered if he would ever see anything half as lovely.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:34 pm

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I'll just tiptoe around Pookie for now.....

Try as I might, I suppose there's no escaping the religious talk. Everybody seems to have some sort of religious standpoint that they seem to ABSOLUTELY speak about. Including our self-proclaimed atheist, DrippingGoofball.

Regardless, you're all gayer than a tree full of monkeys on nitrous oxide.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:30 pm

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Pooky: True, but my example was only the extreme case. In general, relying on people who are unreliable seems like a bad strategy. Granted, much of this argument applies to flakey scum as well, but perhaps just as a philosophy, it seems better to eliminate the flak of the town than to rely on the flak of the scum. There's also the argument that getting
any
scum is great, so randomly lynching among potential lurkers has as good a chance as any of getting scum, and if it hits town, is less detrimental.

Werebear: Well, you're right, but that's the name of the game -- once a day, and that sometimes mean a little more side-conversation than strictly necessary.

My nomination for CES was a fleeting suspicion. I agree with much of what has said about a couple of stronger candidates instead.

Unnominate: CES, Nominate: Turbovolver, Nominate: VitaminR.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:19 pm

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It is very interesting to see both Mathcam and Tamuz nominate me for "what has been said" about me without commenting on my response at all.

NICE!
I hope you guys have read my posts before nominating me.

Also, I don't understand why Tamuz has singled me out of the three people on 3 at that point. Or why mathcam has decided to break the 4-nomination ceiling to reduce the number of candidates from 5 to 3.

I'd like to see a response from both before the deadline. I hope I get it.

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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:52 pm

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LoudMouthLee: I too found Turbovolver trustworthy. I was under the impression he was privy to information that the rest of us weren't, but that appears not to have been the case.

DrippingGoofball: I do not quite understand your line of thinking. I can not speak for the others, but so far I have only found two people I believe to be worthy of my nominations, one of which I have removed (mathcam). Your mistakes strike me as odd too. I believe your list simply was the more prominent players who had not used all of their nominations?

Also, I think how one uses their nominations needs to be taken into account. I am not quite sure of this line of thinking, but I believe there would be merit in analyzing how a nomination placed on someone who clearly will not garner enough nominations to reach the lynching block would affect the nomination process.

On the most superficial level, I believe it would give an illusion of pro-town appearance. To elaborate, what I am questioning is waht would happen if one person were to use all their nominations on players who were in no danger of being lynched, would that be indicative of whether or not they were killer killer?

But back to the point, your speech where you nominate Fritzler does not bode well for me. It is why I am going to nominate you.

Adele: "Now, since I am of the opinion that as many of us as possible gain sufficient nominations to be in harm's way at a later point (because I do not think we are ready to limit our options), I will nominate three of the individuals noted as having been previously overlooked."

This point eludes me. We have two days in which to finalise our nominations. I do not think that placing nominations on those who don't have them is incredibly productive. Also, the fact that there is nowhere for anyone to disappear, means that if we we re quickly required to change our nominations, then it would be fairly simple for the town to do so.

And Pooky's point about CES is something I hadn't thought of before. Whether or not I am doing the right thing by agreeing with him however, remains to be seen.

Un-nominate: Mathcam, Kelly Chen


Nominate: DrippingGoofball, Adele, CES


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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:33 am

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I don't know, ladies and gentlemen, but we must wonder whether our flavor personas indicate your Mafianess or your Towniness.

I am not sure whether I am been selected to be blackmailed on account of my legendary verbosity, or my atheistic viewpoint.

Perhaps all the members in this assembly should ask themselves this question: "Have I left my mark in this world for my oratory skills?"

Perhaps some of us are famously verbose, and others famously silent/introverted?

Is it fair to assume that one Hitler is among us?

Spamwise - again I apologize for the errors in my list of nomination-challenged crash victims. My list was to be of individuals that had received no nomination at the time. No other stranded traveler has been more forthcoming than I about his/her line of thinking. I am the only one having revealed my true identity, as well as my philosophy. Would you not agree?
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

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