First to address Crazy's concern.
Crazy wrote:The "P-edit" thing wasn't really that scummy to begin with.
LOL at how putting someone at L-4 is dangerous. What, like four people are going to quickly jump in and hammer them?
OMGUS isn't a scum-tell, and in fact, in an earlier post, WRC said that it tended to be a town-tell! (in reference to Hiraki)
I still don't get why people thought my Amrun-vote was strange. P-editing your first post in random voting stage just still feels off to me, mobile posting or not. Okay, L-4 might not dangerous, it's just that creating as big as a wagon as soon as possible, I don't think is useful. If everyone were to do that, it would provide no information. It both provides easy reason for scum to join wagons, and possibly staying on that, as well as not having to taking a stance with some actual reasons.
Then after I use that to vote Amrun, she votes me back without providing reason. I ask if there's a reason, and she says 'you're scum'. Period. If you look at her posts after, I don't see how she offered a whole lot of content about it. Only later day 1 she offers some explanation.
To add a bit about kunkstar, as with Amrun joining the biggest wagons, him not voting is something what scum would do in my opinion. You don't take a stance. That I kept my vote on him was that I did not see him increasing his towniness at all during day 1, and for me I didn't feel there were targets I felt more comfortable with.
Now, some of my thoughts on the players in this game. I hope it makes sense, could be all over the players, but if there's anything unclear let me know and I'll try to specify. I'll start with the players I find more scummy at this point.
Leaning scum
-kunkstar
As partly described above, I don't like his abstaining to vote for quite a while.
In his second post (rp #151) singles out Ran and Amrun as town, not sure exactly why, without going into other player's observations .
And obviously the hammer of Hiraki, of which he says
kunkstar wrote:
My hammer was pretty much this: "I wanted the day to end and for there to be flips out." Hiraki was null enough for it to be worth his flip since my preferred wagons weren't currently viable.
(post #666, a sign?
)
- iamausername:
Not sure if he gave the Hiraki wagon momentum, but why he joined in post #105, it was for Hiraki switching votes, which at that point I don't think was that strange.
As Hiraki indicates in #445, iam is on two leading wagons. As I've mentioned in my Amrun explanation I think that's scummy. Then defended by Ranmaru, but that's for later.
I don't really like how iam jumps and uses Crazy #589 to vote me in #602. This is one exampel, in general it feels a bit picking arguments from others to look town, without doing too much work (also seen in his post #402)
-Ranmaru:
His questions and comments don't seem specifically townie to me. Not sure who mentioned it, think it was LK, but to me it feels he's scum asking questions to appear town. That's the feeling I get rereading the thread. For example, around #450 his posts seem really getting awkward, fetching. (see LK's comment in #459).
Asks a lot of questions, but not saying really a lot. Requests others to do full player analysis, not really providing one himself, just the questions to everyone he seems to be putting out. Not sure why he hasn't got any attention day 2 as far as I could see, as LK did attack him for it on day 1 (see LK #255). I really get the feeling he's just asking questions to seem pro-town, but he's just following others, and always playing it safe.
Not sure about him asking if Pom replacing out is scummy, and with one opinion settles it.
The above are currently my main three suspects.
Next, three that are
null, leaning towards scum
.
-Amrun:
Still don't really like how she kept her vote on me through day 1 without any explanation until later that day. If anyone can tell me why they think she's really town, that'd be great. Rereading I think there are more scummy players at this point, but still keeping an eye out.
Not too sure about her reason to vote Hiraki: "Hiraki smells a little bit like scum defending a mislynch for towncred." (in #259).
-Smalls:
I get mixed messaged from his posting. On one hand, he has some traits of an honest newb townie. On the other I can't escape the feeling there's more it. For example something like
Scumhunting in RVS is fun. <insert cryptic message here to say that I am a Townie>
(post #125)
Also, about the PM thing, still wondering if there's anything about LK's argument in #161. Still don't get how he supposedly missed 'confirm by pm' in role pm. If you're on a new site, I would guess you'd take that information to you.
I thought he didn't claim when at L-1 (but that L-1 was quickly made L-2 by Ran unvoting), but later explained he claimed with
I'm trying to find scum to suggest people to lynch after people find out that I was just a Townie.
(post #203)
At that point he did not give any opinions of players, which I think would have been benificial.
In post #203, he makes a comment about L+2, but pj had already revised that rule, thus smalls missed the edit in procedure (but that might actually be town indication).
In #275 mentions his claim was premature, but he was at L-1, so not sure about that comment.
Finally, don't like his joining my wagon with no real reason in #629.
Pom
Not much content, feels opportunistic to me. One post in particular makes me cringe
In regard to Elli's question, realize that I was protown enough to respond to it. Had I not wanted it to go forward I wouldn't have answered.
In regard to the mention of Plum, I take back my comment saying it was scummy; it wasn't really scummy rather than irrelevant and out of place.
not townie remarks.
"I was protown enough"? "I take back my comment saying it was scummy"? That's two scummy phrases in a row.
I know I can't really blame for the lack of content part, considering my own participation, but I do feel I had more of my own stance, while Pom seems more 'sheepy', which could be scummy.
Null
-Ameliaslay
Need to read more of her, current post don't feel particularly scum or particularly town.
-Ellibereth
Funny how he says Hiraki went from town to null to town (#575), and he wanted to see Hiraki lynch just to have a flip, even thinking when Hiraki is town. Don't think you should ever vote anyone you're reading town, but okay. Otherwise feels reasonably townie, at least in the way that he's not entirely sure about things coming across, lacks the confidence scum sometimes portrays.
-Crazy
Except for his blindlessly targeting me atm, I used to think him reasonably town. Statements like
But
VOTE: WLC
for the same reasons as yesterday, and there's a good chance my vote will stay there the rest of the day.
really don't make me comfortable. It's not really because it's about me. It's because he has his mind set, and he's setting up so the defendent (in this case me) basically can't do anything right anymore (also in his follow-up post where he says that I'm going to come up with something).
Also, Crazy, why don't you use your second vote. Do you really only have me as suspect?
Leaning town
-Empking
Can't say I particularly like his playstyle, but from what I remember it's the usual, and in general his comments and questions feel town.
-Red Coyote:
If kunkstar is town, I think he's scum, but at this point I think kunkstar is more scummy than Red Coyote. Post #172 is a bit awkward.
RedCoyote wrote:Ah, okay. Very good, LK. You have to understand I'm in a bit of catch up mode here. Thanks for clearing it up.
That's a very sketchy reason to vote small, but, you know, I'm the type of guy that loves to make a move on things like that. I understand where you're coming from now. My only major issue with you was with what I thought to be some dishonesty.
Unvote
;
vote: smallpeoples343
-imaginality
I think he reads the game and players well, general town feel.
So, I think that covers everyone. Thought it would have more debt, but these are the things that stood out to me when rereading the thread, with my general feelings on how the game went on. I guess I'm too paranoid for this, because except for imaginality and perhaps RC I'm not 100% sure about anyone.
As smalls isn't part of my top 3 at this point, I'll
unvote.
I think Ranmaru can use some pressure
Vote: Ranmaru
. I know it's the first vote on him today, but I guess I hope to see what other think etc.
