Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2100 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:46 am

I think Porochaz or Zindaras should be lynched today.

Zindaras · Post Post #2101 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:13 am

*shrugs*

I'm happy Kublai is dead. He was going to win the game for the Matrix.

Anyway, I don't really think there's much point in not saying this. I'm the Trainman. I'm a Commuter (can hide from everything one night, then can't do so the next night), and I'm with the Merovingian Mafia. My main tactic was to kind of keep everything divided, buddying up to one of my pals, ignoring the other and bussing the last. Given the fact that we were a four-man team, I highly doubt that there are only three Matrix Mafiates. Three Agents and the Architect makes sense anyway.

ISO · Post Post #2102 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:36 am

Did my hearing aide just fall out it or did Zindaras just claim scum.

Porochaz · Post Post #2103 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:06 am

Yeah but assuming scum are 4 players each he has to be left, any counter claim?

Im vanilla by the way

BrianMcQueso · Post Post #2104 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:33 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Obviously scum-driven wagon

Well you slid by without contributing or voting yesterday, so if you think we should've lynched someone else you should have said something then.

Kison wrote:Did my hearing aide just fall out it or did Zindaras just claim scum.

Yes, but the claim was to be the last member of the Merovingian mafia. If that's true and both scum are 4-person teams, then there are 3 left on the Agents side and a Zindaras lynch loses us the game. That's why Zindy is claiming.

Here is a possibility I'm considering: There are 3 scum on each team, and Zindy is an Agent trying to set up a situation we don't lynch her.

We still haven't explained the 4th nightkill on Night 2, but we've only had 3 nightkills on every other night. There might have been cross-kills, there might have been a one-shit nightkill from something, I don't know.

I'm a VT. Kinda frustrated that we're on Day 5 and still don't quite know what the setup looks like overall. We may be lynch-or-lose here and not even know it.

Porochaz · Post Post #2105 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:29 pm

3/3/1/18

or

4/4/1/16?

10 townies confirmed.
1 cop
1 doc
1 vig
1 tracker/extra voter

1godfather and 2 goons
1 goon

and 7 unknowns.

Neo, Link, Trinity, Morpheus, Oracle.

All pretty big roles within the film.

The trainman is not. I do not like that claim, Im currently thinking about whats more balanced at a base level. 8 scum roles and 1 neutral against 16 town... Im not sure. I dont think it would be wise to remove him from contention yet in any case.

ISO · Post Post #2106 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:33 pm

Zindaras pretty much has nothing to gain by claiming as Merovingian Mafia. He is probably lying and is Matrix, possibly with kill immunity and one remaining scum partner(making it teams of three).

If this is the case and there are two Matrix remaining, we mislynch and ABR misfires, it puts him in a much better position.

As Merovingian has has pretty much forfeit any chance he had of winning by claiming.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2107 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:46 pm

Very tempted to vote Porochaz.

Porochaz · Post Post #2108 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:57 pm

I would ask why, but knowing you thats going to be pointless isn't it?

Zindaras · Post Post #2109 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:32 pm

Kison wrote:Zindaras pretty much has nothing to gain by claiming as Merovingian Mafia. He is probably lying and is Matrix, possibly with kill immunity and one remaining scum partner(making it teams of three).

If this is the case and there are two Matrix remaining, we mislynch and ABR misfires, it puts him in a much better position.

As Merovingian has has pretty much forfeit any chance he had of winning by claiming.

Oh, but I do. All I need to do is make sure town can't afford to lynch me, and I know that the Matrix scum can't afford to shoot me. Because our team was a four-man team, I know that town is in lylo right now.

Also, seriously, Poro, that's just silly. I agree that all the pro-town roles have been major characters, but how can you just blindly ignore the Twins? While they got the cool fighting scenes, the Trainman is not a smaller character than the Twins, and it's practically the only option for more Merovingian scum, especially if you want a power role.

I wanted to claim Oracle (which is why Lain and I rode Kublai so hard yesterday, hoping that he was lying, as I honestly thought he was), but Kublai's death basically stopped me from doing that claim.

I think the fourth nightkill was a one-shot from the Matrix scum. There's likely two Goons and a power role on their side as well.

Also, I love Brian's type. One-shit nightkills all around.

Zindaras · Post Post #2110 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:44 pm

*typo.

Zindaras · Post Post #2111 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:46 pm

Also, you've got to love typo'ing typo.

SensFan · Post Post #2112 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:09 am

Interesting. I was under the impression that we were dealing with 3:3:1, not 4:4.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2113 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:35 am

Porochaz wrote:I would ask why, but knowing you thats going to be pointless isn't it?

I think you and Zindaras are scum, Zindaras claimed the scum faction that is three members down, that leaves you.

Porochaz · Post Post #2114 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:02 pm

Ah ok, so the reason is that your being an idiot listening to claimed scum then. Glad thats sorted.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2115 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:36 pm

No counterclaim means he's telling the truth.

SensFan · Post Post #2116 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:16 pm

Albert, were you at DGB's for that game of Jungle Republic we played at Goofbash where I fakeclaimed Mafia?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2117 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:19 pm

Zindaras is telling the truth. If he wasn't he would be counterclaimed.

SensFan · Post Post #2118 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:26 pm

SensFan wrote:Albert, were you at DGB's for that game of Jungle Republic we played at Goofbash where I fakeclaimed Mafia?

Porochaz · Post Post #2119 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:39 pm

What if there are only 3 mafia in each team?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #2120 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:52 pm

Porochaz wrote:What if there are only 3 mafia in each team?

I doubt that. Sensfan, I don't remember and your question is superficial.

Porochaz · Post Post #2121 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:17 pm

I went and had a look because I havent really balanced two scum teams before. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=14138 - This game is the closest found (I didnt look in archives) - 24 players. 3 werewolves, 3 mafia. I personally would have thought a 2:1 ratio would be quite high?

Porochaz · Post Post #2122 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:22 pm

More recently complete: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16961 24 players 3/3/1/17 with the 1 being a SK...

Zindaras · Post Post #2123 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:23 pm

Once you start factoring in crosskills, 4:4 makes a lot of sense. Unless Albert is one, we don't really seem to have an SK either.

Here's a game from a long time ago. It's a mini, but a 2-man team and a 3-man team with no kill. And then there's Mafia vs Wolves Redux, which had a 4-man team and a 2-man team with conversion possibilities in a 21-player game.

In a normal 25-player game, you expect 6 Mafia and 1 SK. It's not really that much of a stretch to replace 6 Mafiates with 2*4 Mafiates.

Zindaras · Post Post #2124 (ISO) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:38 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Zindaras is telling the truth. If he wasn't he would be counterclaimed.

Actually, I personally expected to be counterclaimed regardless. It makes for a nice easy lynch for the Matrix Mafia. It

is

LyLo, after all.