Open 316 - Hard Boiled (Day Two)

Oversoul · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:02 pm

zMuffinMan wrote:ftr, I couldn't give two shits what you think of me, and a mass claim of PRs isn't happening today.

We proceed with the plan as it was (lynch/vig pool) and sort out the rest tomorrow.

I hope that wasn't directed at me? You're so aggressive. And "it's my meta" isn't a good cover to hide behind because that just implies you're a dick. Naturally.

If we proceed with the plan we either cut one out of the Vig pool or cut it out of the lynch pool. Both of which are undesirable because an either or reasoning is not something you want to pressure town into so early in the game and you give the vig a smaller pool to hide in. Although if I had to choose I would choose to cut the lynch pool as vig is more valuable than a townie in my opinion.

Amrun · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:03 pm

Oversoul is obviously an earnest PR. glowball's paranoia and actions lead me to believe that scum would not be that ballsy - similar for zmuffin's jokey scumclaims. You claimed last minute after some weird excuse about how I didn't say the vig shouldn't claim before, and have given no reads.

And if we don't have three "non vigs" step forward, the scum get less clues about who is the vig. Obviously.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:07 pm

amrun wrote:Then we see which exact PR has two claims. There will only be one.

We lynch the one we think is scummiest. If we are wrong, the vig shoots the other one overnight. Guaranteed scumkill.

dumb idea. If there's two hider claims, for example, all a mass claim would do is out all the PRs as well as possibly killing the real hider and then another PR dies at night.

You're also overlooking the fact that scum fake-claiming in this group is doing so because they're somewhat confident they won't be lynched after a mass-claim of PRs. Which means lynching the "scummiest" player is a stupid idea.

It is a far better idea to wait until D2 and there are a number of reasons for this. If you actually think about it, you'll understand.

Oversoul · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:22 pm

zMuffinMan wrote:
amrun wrote:Then we see which exact PR has two claims. There will only be one.

We lynch the one we think is scummiest. If we are wrong, the vig shoots the other one overnight. Guaranteed scumkill.

dumb idea. If there's two hider claims, for example, all a mass claim would do is out all the PRs as well as possibly killing the real hider and then another PR dies at night.

You're also overlooking the fact that scum fake-claiming in this group is doing so because they're somewhat confident they won't be lynched after a mass-claim of PRs. Which means lynching the "scummiest" player is a stupid idea.

It is a far better idea to wait until D2 and there are a number of reasons for this. If you actually think about it, you'll understand.

Are you implying someone in particular?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:29 pm

No. Do you have a guilty conscience?

silverbullet999 · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:30 pm

@Amrun

Amrun wrote:And if we don't have three "non vigs" step forward, the scum get less clues about who is the vig. Obviously.

With your plan the vigs should not have stepped forward to begin with... soo... what am i missing here?

Amrun wrote:Oversoul is obviously an earnest PR. glowball's paranoia and actions lead me to believe that scum would not be that ballsy - similar for zmuffin's jokey scumclaims. You claimed last minute after some weird excuse about how I didn't say the vig shouldn't claim before, and have given no reads.

I told you i skimmed lazily, your original post was that if you are pr just claim pr and if you are not then claim not pr so I eventually looked back a lil bit to see why we were following this.

You never asked for reads btw...

andrew94 · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:31 pm

didnt only zMuffinMan
Oversoul
claim pr?
and with the other guy claiming pr, its 3 isnt it?

silverbullet999 · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:32 pm

oh andrew... your in this <3...

no it's zmuff oversoul me and then glow went from claiming non pr to pr

andrew94 · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:33 pm

wait where did you claim pr?

silverbullet999 · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:34 pm

glowball · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:52 pm

OKAY as much as I don't like Mufff WE ARE NOT MASS CLAIMING PRs in this day phase... we need at least one night with all of our PRs. We can see if it's worth sorting out tomorrow. No need to give scum a better advantage. There are two other scum out there, no need to sweat over one in the PR pool they cannot hide forever.

Oversoul · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:53 pm

zMuffinMan wrote:No. Do you have a guilty conscience?

I thought so.

If we are going to lynch someone it is either going to be zMuffinMan or Silver. I trust Glowball's suspicions and she may have just helped us catch scum. Plus, she was very paranoid in the beginning, but I can see the judgement on that is scum behavior (I used it on Neil earlier

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andrew94 · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:22 pm

something tells me silver is lying

silverbullet999 · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:28 pm

. . . . .

Quilford · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:32 pm

Silver replaced in and claimed PR, right? She was second last of all of us to claim, correct? Glowball then cc'd (which I think was an excellent move), and we have one more PR claim than we should.

If Silver's the fake PR then Swankedelic is almost certainly scum as well; she would have known that it was safe to claim the last PR slot without any chance of a cc, provided everyone was telling the truth (which Glow didn't).

Quilford · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:36 pm

VOTE: Swankedelic

andrew94 · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:22 pm

but swan didnt claim>?

evilpacman18 · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:54 pm

Amrun wrote:Your claim is least townie

Glowball's claim exists.
Does not compute.
>scum

Oversoul · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:59 pm

andrew94 wrote:but swan didnt claim>?

He is saying Silver claimed because he knew that Swank would not because Swank is also his partner and therefore would not have a power role. His plan was ruined when Glowball came out of the woodwork with her sneakiness (I am curious to know what Hoopla thinks of that action). Either way, I want to nominate Swank for the gallows. Pretty good detective work, Quilford.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:05 pm

Well. Let's see. Silver replaced grey who was on my scum reads with Amrun. The weakest of the three but glowball has looked like town the whole time. I'm inclined to believe silver is the scum out of the PR claims but Amrun is scum too. Bussing gambit is all too likely with the way town is raping this setup.

Oversoul · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:16 pm

I get a pretty good town read from Amrun :\

silverbullet999 · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:17 pm

evilpacman18 wrote:
Amrun wrote:Your claim is least townie

Glowball's claim exists.
Does not compute.
>scum

evilpacman18 wrote:Well. Let's see. Silver replaced grey who was on my scum reads with Amrun.
The weakest of the three but glowball has looked like town the whole time.
I'm inclined to believe silver is the scum out of the PR claims but Amrun is scum too. Bussing gambit is all too likely with the way town is raping this setup.

Error Error. Bold does not compute...

Oversoul · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:20 pm

silverbullet999 wrote:
evilpacman18 wrote:
Amrun wrote:Your claim is least townie

Glowball's claim exists.
Does not compute.
>scum

evilpacman18 wrote:Well. Let's see. Silver replaced grey who was on my scum reads with Amrun.
The weakest of the three but glowball has looked like town the whole time.
I'm inclined to believe silver is the scum out of the PR claims but Amrun is scum too. Bussing gambit is all too likely with the way town is raping this setup.

Error Error. Bold does not compute...

No, he is calling Amrun scum by saying that she shouldn't just ignore Glowball's wild claim. Unless you mean something else?

silverbullet999 · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:21 pm

Read it as Glowball = scum

Bold now computes after correction though...

glowball · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:06 pm

Quilford wrote:Silver replaced in and claimed PR, right? She was second last of all of us to claim, correct? Glowball then cc'd (which I think was an excellent move), and we have one more PR claim than we should.

If Silver's the fake PR then Swankedelic is almost certainly scum as well; she would have known that it was safe to claim the last PR slot
without any chance of a cc, provided everyone was telling the truth (which Glow didn't).

I like this- it shows though. However, scum would have to know that someone

wasn't

telling the truth if there were only 2 claims when there were supposed to be 3. So although the possibility of Silver AND Swank being scum is a possibility it's more likely that Silver is scum by himself who possibly miscalculated the set up and thought everyone had already claimed or that scum is in an earlier claimer like zMuffinMan who was prepared to face a counterclaim or thought that one of us wouldn't claim.

I would like to follow through with the plan as a 3/4 split. I would also like to see who volunteers for the lynch pool. So, how does everyone feel about carrying on with the plan and leaving the PR sorting to the scum? Like I said, that fake claim will HAVE to eventually out himself if they start PR hunting they just narrow down the possibilities.