The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just lynch ooba Fate

[Fate]

Im not moving my vote from Kast because I refuse to self-vote as town but I fully intend to die today.

You'd be surprised at how scummy I can be as town

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are basing your vote on setup speculation that all roles work the same way, aka trusting RC.

That does not seem like a good idea.

[ReaperCharlie]

A big fuck you to RC for the dumbest set-up in awhile

said the guy who modded a game with a reflexive watcher, who watched whoever scum targeted no matter who it was.

i will never forgive you for that, btw

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

3.6

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Kast [2] – Fate, Amrun

Albert B. Rampage [1]

– ooba

Fate [1]

– Kast

ooba [1]

– Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting

– havingfitz, Iecerint, Kdub, Sathoris

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With 9 players alive, it is 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 21 at 2pm PST (5pm EST).

[Iecerint]

If fitz can confirm that he still has his action available (I don't see why RC wouldn't tell him this), then I

'd be willing to

will 100% go along with your plan.

This is where I am. If he can't, I am probably still in agreement with you.

Not sure why ABR thinks Ooba is scum, other than that Ooba wants to lynch him (i.e. no discussion about how Ooba is twisting or misrepresenting who is likely scum from the set of claims).

[havingfitz]

I still haven't got a response on my one-shot mass protect. Also, as far as I can tell there is no reason to overlook ooba. I apologize for my lack of time to pour over the game but if I have overlooked any actions that have 100% confirmed anyone as town...could someone point them out to me?

Regarding ooba's mass roleblock...can anyone confirm they were roleblocked last night AND regardless, there is no reason it couldn't have been a scum roleblock. The fact ooba is BP also is a bit suspect as that is a common SK ability. I still do not know what to make the the D1 daykill. I hope it was just a random one-shot that the owner has just been inclined to stay quiet about.

I don't recall the case on ABR being scum...is it strictly his claim? If it's because he claimed a wicked witch that would be pretty focking stupid of him to admit it if he was scum. I do think the flavor analysis/mod guessing is going a bit to the extreme and could lead to manipulation in the wrong direction.

As for lynching Kast, if he is telling the truth about being a beloved princess...doesn't that give scum back to back nights and essentially back to back kills (unless I still have my mass protect)? IMO lynching a beloved princess would be baaaaaad.

Back to my mass protect though...if ooba is telling the truth about his RB I have to assume I still have it. I did not get any failed or successful action or anything from N2. For all I know, my mass protect is the reason there was no kill N2 and ooba is blowing smoke up my/our arses.

[Iecerint]

No one is confirmed town, but there are some claim discrepancies that implicate certain players (specifically, you/ABR/Kast). The ability name flavor in the former cases, and the rolename/abilityname situation in the last.

One big discrepancy is my Tinkerbell result on you. Either I am making it up, I was redirected, or you(=fitz) are some kind of GF scum. Ooba offered an explanation for why he thought it wasn't the first one when I asked him about it earlier (short-version -- he thinks I would have claimed more opportunistic results were I scum).

Another discrepancy is that Fate's and Kast's busdrive abilities work differently, one allowing self-busdrives. There's a perception that this enters into the balance question for reasons that only kind of make sense to me.

It would be anti-town for town to stay quiet about the daykill...it would affect set-up balance analysis given that person's flip if they didn't claim it, namely.

[havingfitz]

Well (insert mod guessing) I can't see scum having a daykill in addition to NKs. And I've never been in a game with a daykill SK...so actually, I can't see it being anything other than a one-shot vig from a townie. If it wasn't one shot there would be no reason to have not used the ability again. An SK would have most likely had night kills and there has only been one of those which I assume came from scum. I protected (jk'd) Fate N1 (were you ever able to confirm this point Fate?) and if ooba is telling the truth and everyone was rb'd last night, then Fate would be a good candidate for an SK if setup speculators believe we have an SK. I just can't see an SK being responsible for a lone daykill on D1.

As for your flavor that has you thinking I am Tinkerbell...you could be lying, could have been directed towards someone else, or you could be interpreting the birds I sent to shield Fate N1. That's where I thought your wing comment was coming from.

Back to an earlier question...can anyone confirm they were rb'd N2? It would not necessarily rule out ooba as a scum rb'er but it would at least give us some insight into whether the claim is legit...especially if more than one person can confirm they were rb'd.

[Iecerint]

Scum had an ability that basically gave a free lynch in B&B1 (instantaneously lowered all lynch thresholds by 1), which is kind of like having a free daykill, so I could see that as a strong possibility. I actually think this is most likely. Ooba found modding thread evidence that the set-up may have an SK, so I guess that's also a reasonable possibility. I think positing lying townies is relatively unlikely.

I am not confusing Tinkerbell with a bird. The flavor has her flying in the air angry at me with dust coming from her wings. I mean it's pretty unambiguous, though it doesn't use the name.

I am the only one who claimed any kind of direct indication of being blocked IIRC; I targeted Fate today, but it didn't work.

[havingfitz]

Were you told your Fate target didn't work or did you just not get a response?

[Iecerint]

Let me know whether this is acceptable. I've been careful to paraphase IMO, but I don't want to accidentally break a rule:

Below is a paraphrase.

I am

Alice

. I used to be associated with

Wonderland

. My role is

Wayward Seeker

.

My flavor talks about how I like to learn new things, but WL was too weird. I prefer places that make more sense. I don't trust people; consequently, I go and watch them at night to learn about them. I may not be correct all the time because people lie, but I am probably correct about 90% of the time.

My picture is drawn from the girl in the middle of the game logo.

My ability is called

Investigate

. I target one player each night. If it works, I learn fax, which may range from rolename to characters to actions to whatever. A note here re-lists that while it will usually be accurate, some people are as Holden Caulfield describes them in The Catcher In The Rye. Also, I am not very good at maths re: 90%.

Part of the reason I was so suspicious of LLD is that her role is basically a less interesting version of mine. <_<

N1 I targeted havingfitz because I thought his reaction to me D1 after I had a town read on him was unnatural, I thought his picking apart of my town&town wall was unnatural, and I thought there was enough weak "I suspect him" pressure that knowing his alignment would be useful. At the end of N1 I got flavor. There were 11 paragraphs of flavor altogether (though some are short), but here's a paraphrased abbreviation. I've bolded things that I think may be relevant:

I go to where havingfitz was going to spend the night. The area is

a green plain

. I look around the field, but

I cannot find her

, even though I look everywhere. I sense that

someone is watching me

. I think that person

might have an axe and want to hurt me

. But then I see who I was searching for (i.e.

fitz's name is not used

). She is floating in the air with wings. She is annoyed at me. I am

95% sure that the flavor suggests she is Tinkerbell, even though Wendy Darling already flipped

. Faery dust (albeit not explicitly described as such) falls from her wings as she flies. It's pretty.

I feel I am safe

. However, she remains annoyed, so I go.

D2 I was even more sure that LLD was lying, because my ability already contains elements of a Tracker and Watcher, and more besides. <_<

N2 I targeted Fate. I thought his attitude toward LLD D2 was incredibly bizarre, and I wanted to be able to counter whatever he had planned for D3 given that he was scum.

However, flavor indicated that I found that I was too tired and didn't want to get out of bed. So I could not investigate a player, not even Fate. So I stayed in bed til D3.

Interpretation at this point:

I think I was redirected or something N1 and roleblocked N2.

However, I don't know why fitz said he had wings --

The maid just came, so I'll finish my interpretation when I get back. I'm being kicked out for a moment. <_<

I added bold to the paragraph that answers your question.

[Amrun]

I didn't realize your Tinkerbell results were so explicit.

VOTE: Fitz

The Kast/Fitz pair is confusing me, so maybe best to avoid them for today and steal from one of them at night. I had Fate as scum and Kast as null/townish, but then Fate's drunkposting seemed pretty genuine to me and lynch a beloved princess would be balls.

[Iecerint]

A thought: Given that Kast is a Beloved Princess, it might make sense to allow self-busdrives to keep the bad half of his ability from coming into play.

I am still weirded out by the fact that his PM is apparently constructed totally differently, though.

[Fate]

A big fuck you to RC for the dumbest set-up in awhile

said the guy who modded a game with a reflexive watcher, who watched whoever scum targeted no matter who it was.

i will never forgive you for that, btw

Thanks for mod confirming I have reason to believe this setup is bullshit, aka no mod communication about my one shots, etc. Real great modding.


It was my first theme game, it was essentially a one shot guilty (he'd die the next night if scum weren't stupid), and you got unlucky. I'm not sorry.

[Iecerint]

I think Fate is probably not scum given his situation with RC. I don't think he would be complaining about the set-up given the currently direction of the game if he were scum. Also, I think RC would probably interpret Fate's behavior differently, especially since it is acceptable for a mod to ignore personal attacks and not become involved in the action in spite of the source (i.e. he wouldn't feel the need to fake-respond if he knew Fate was scum).

[Kdub]

We shouldn't lynch Kast today, even if he is more likely to be scum than Fate. We make a decision on Kast if we get to lylo, that seems like the safest way to proceed.

ooba isn't cleared, but I don't see any reason to suspect him at the moment. Not sure why ABR thinks he is scum.

I'm maintaining my position that we wait to hear from fitz about his action. There's no reason why RC would ignore your question. At the very least, he would respond and say he can't tell you, like he did when I asked about my role.

[Iecerint]

I wish I'd done my "send RC something and see if it is transferred to sentbox" trick.

But today I went to the zoo unf.

[Fate]

What? We need to lynch Kast if he's town two days b4 lylo, or some math, aka today right?

Specially with a sk

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care this game is stupid let's just scumhunt normally

[Kdub]

What? We need to lynch Kast if he's town two days b4 lylo, or some math, aka today right?

There's 9 players left. Assuming 3 scum, then a normal mislynch today and a town death tonight means tomorrow is lylo. If we lynch Kast today and he's town, then scum can kill twice tonight, town loses. If there is an SK that can kill at night, it introduces some swinginess, but I think it's still most likely bad for town. The safest way to deal with Kast, unless we are very certain that he is scum, is to lynch him if it gets to lylo (so his claimed beloved princess doesn't matter) or after we have caught the rest of the scum and he's the most likely one left.

[Fate]

So basically unless kast is scum we lose?

Scum get extra nghtif he dies at night too

[havingfitz]

I didn't realize your Tinkerbell results were so explicit.

VOTE: Fitz.

So no thought to the fact Iece could be lying (which I do not see with the detail of his claim) or that his action could have involved a bus?

RC has indicated that he will not clarify my question regarding whether or not one-shot abilities are retained if they are roleblocked so I can not confirm whether I still have my mass protect. I do not know if she is trying to avoid confirming one way or the other what ooba's N2 action/alignment might be or not. If ooba is telling the truth about rb'ing N2 I can only assume I still have my mass protect.

Not sure I'm feeling the ABR wagon. I think Fate would be a better option given the fact if there is an SK in the game he is probably the only person who hass had his powers reigned in twice in this game (my N1 shield [ie ~jk] and ooba's N2 ~mass rb). Amrun and Sathoris are climbing up my suspect list as well because I'm not sure what either has done so far in this game (ie flying under the radar). Though Amrun has managed to get her share of suspicion her way prior to my slightly OMGUS sway towards her being a better suspect than others (=ooba, Kdub and Kast).

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Fate

[Fate]

Moar Fate votes pl0x. Ill have a case on him later as to why