The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Fate]

....

unvote

This is Bulllshit. Ill be home later

[Amrun]

Likelihood of two town redirectors? Low. I believe Kast over Fate.

Fate, it's not at all about meta. You've been supremely inconsistent this game. Comparing your treatments of LLD day 1 and day 2 is insane and don't feel like the same player. Your attacks on ABR today are absolutely terrible and read like cocky scum rather than just normal cocky Fate.

VOTE: Fate

[ooba]

I am making a big post on claims - no quick voting please - I mean one person has claimed scum in thread ..

[Sathoris]

@Sathoris
- Describe your picture to me
- What is your role description? e.g Fitz has claimed "Nature Whisperer"

My picture has Jasmine sitting on a flying carpet with Aladdin at her side and a nice view of the palace in the background. My role description is "Hopeless Romantic"

Will read through the rest when I get off my phone and get home.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also have an ability to make an anonymous announcement at daybreak, don't forget

[havingfitz]

Hmm.

Could you ask RC about your all-target now? I need to clarify whether you are responsible for my N2 ability not working.

It doesn't say anything about actions not being able to occur...it just says nothing bad can happen. So I would assume any actions that would not result in something "bad" (however the mod determines what that is) are still able to take place.

Also, claim your ability names, please.

My ability names are -

Focused friends

which is applied with

Shield:

player and

Oh no they don't!

which is applied with

Let's play nice.

fitz, at what point during N2 did you submit your action?

I didn't submit it until early Tuesday morning due to weekend v/LA + 4th of July distractions.

[ooba]

1) We are dealing with two anti-town factions here
- Scum teams of two (one day killing and one night killing) - one a witch scum team comprised of Ursula (Sea witch) and TWWOTW, another scum team composed of the Red queen and the queen from snow witch. So ya - Queens vs Witches.
- Or a scum team of three plus SK. So it's the Snow white Queen SK (who wants to be the most powerful of them all) vs Witches scum team comprising of Ursula, TWWOTW & Maleficent.
Reasoning:
Far too many roles to deal with protection\kill blockage
- SpyreX - Flavor points to protective role ("but all they knew of medical procedure they had learned from her")
- Kunkstar - Commuter\Hider
- Robo - Roleblocker. (Obstructor wording plus Amrun's claim)
- My own massrole block plus BP

2) ABR claimed scum in thread. I just can't understand why.
Flavor his game clearly points to Snow white queen and Ursula being in the game. So it's a clear good vs evil background. TWWOTW is definitely evil.
"The Wicked Witch of the West is a fictional character and the

most significant antagonist

in L. Frank Baum's children's book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz."
A definitely evil character who's not even a miller? Nope - not happening. But I can't realize why he didn't claim whatever fakeclaim he had. Could be a tinkerbell claim which he avoided due to this.
"Commuter is the exact fakeclaim I had for one for the three scum according to what I thought the setup was! (I had it as Tinkerbell but w/e)" said ooba on D1.
Can't really fathom the reasons why but this is a scum claim.

3) Fitz fakeclaimed his abilities
- Look above at Spyrex, Robo roles - Doc? and a Roleblocker
- Look at my role - Mass roleblock
No way town has a normal JK, let alone a mass JK

4) Sathoris
2 Town BPs - Unlikely but possible depending on setup. I can see him as a town BP in a 2 scum team setup. If its an SK-3 scum team setup, I would say he's most prob. SK.

5) Beloved Princess for Kast's claim doesn't make sense. Red riding hood is never a princess flavorwise. Could be a lolwifom addition to the setup. Damn bastardly if there are two anti-town elements though.

6) Where the hell is Snow white?? And tinkerbell? I can't get into in-depth reasons as to why (since RC says it's against the spirit of the game if I use that info and I respect the mod's call) - but these are roles I expected in the game - at least as fakeclaims .. Confusing ..

I haven't even gone to actions yet. Think someone had it right when they said RC is basing it based on timing of actions sent - which adds another layer of complexity to analyzing that so I'm going to sleep now and come back to it tomorrow.

Right now - Fitz\ABR are scum for sure. Also need to read D1 again to see if I can spot pairings for them.

[havingfitz]

@ ooba...my claims are legit. Re: "shield" (~jk) as I type this I do not recall what Fate's PR is but if it something that he should have seen a result on he can confirm. The one-shot "nothing bad happens" was not a mass "jk." as anyone who did have a night action N2 occur can attest to. It only prevents bad things from happening which as far as I can see...worked.

[ooba]

@ ooba...my claims are legit. Re: "shield" (~jk) as I type this I do not recall what Fate's PR is but if it something that he should have seen a result on he can confirm. The one-shot "nothing bad happens" was not a mass "jk." as anyone who did have a night action N2 occur can attest to. It only prevents bad things from happening which as far as I can see...worked.

- I am a mass-role blocker (which effectively means all actions are blocked on that particular night)
- You've claimed a one-shot No kill night power
So effectively amongst the both of us - we can stop scum from any NKs for 2 entire nights? I can see your power along with mine if we have 2 scum teams and the Beloved princesses in the setup. But ..

- Spyrex's ability is definitely protective from flavor and Robo is a roleblocker. You have my BP (and possibly Sathoris as well). Add Kunk who was a Commuter\Hider. Your JK normal makes it too many protective\blocking roles for town.
- Also the fact that you didn't claim actions when you were supposed to and waited after Fate claimed to claim a N1 block on him weighs against you

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Also can Kast, Kdub, Sathoris claim their ability names please. (Sorry if you claimed this already and I missed it)

[Sathoris]

Simply: One-Shot Bulletproof.

[ooba]

@Fitz - Also want you to ask RC if your one-shot No-kill night has been used up ..

[Kdub]

ooba, when did you submit your action during N2?

My ability is just called "Enhance".

[ooba]

ooba, when did you submit your action during N2?

My ability is just called "Enhance".

Within 1.5 hours of the D2 flip ..

[Kast]

Likelihood of two town redirectors? Low. I believe Kast over Fate.

Some thoughts on this:
-Fate has to be pretty ballsy to false counter-claim.

Fate tends to be pretty ballsy

-Fate claimed 1-Shot for both actions.

Two 1-Shot redirections reads more like a scum-role than a town one; it also makes the role less of a counter-claim

-I am surprised that Fate pretty much assumed I must be town after my claim; seems more likely to be a scum reaction than a town one.
I'm a bit torn but leaning scum (mostly keep second guessing myself).

Spoiler: Response for Ooba

So claimed I could keep both kdub and LLD alive.

Dislike that you false claimed, but the reasoning is plausible.

1) We are dealing with two anti-town factions here
- Scum teams of two (one day killing and one night killing) - one a witch scum team comprised of Ursula (Sea witch) and TWWOTW, another scum team composed of the Red queen and the queen from snow witch. So ya - Queens vs Witches.
- Or a scum team of three plus SK. So it's the Snow white Queen SK (who wants to be the most powerful of them all) vs Witches scum team comprising of Ursula, TWWOTW & Maleficent.
Reasoning:
Far too many roles to deal with protection\kill blockage

This speculation seems...kinda extreme for what it's based on.
In terms of mechanics balance, with what's been claimed, I doubt town has to deal with 2 scum teams. No vig claims and so much blocking/redirection and speculated commuting?

I do think the Queens vs Witches sounds like a cool game setup.

Could be a tinkerbell claim which he avoided due to this.

This would require Iec is lying OR Iec was redirected to ABR and ABR is a GF (investigates as Tinkerbell). Did you miss Iec's claim?

With Ooba AND Fitz both claiming a mass roleblock (jailkeep), strongly agree that one of the two is probably lying. Gut and gameplay says it's Fitz, though to be fair he did claim the mass JK first. I'm also a bit weirded out by Ooba's BP claim and multiscum speculation; those both kinda scream SK. Also, I'm not dismissing the possibility of a Fitz/Ooba scum team with a gambit to sacrifice-bus one to "confirm" the other.

@ABR-
Demonstrating your public ability is better for proving it to everyone. If you can demonstrate both, that's fine too.

@Ooba-
My Beloved Princess ability is just called that.
My Bus-Driving ability is

Delivery

.

Spoiler: Claimed:

Amrun/Goldilocks - 2-Shot Thief, 2-Shot Neighborizer -

N1

Stole

Roleblock

from

Robo

,

Roleblocked

ABR

N2

Stole

??Nothing??

from

Fate

Fitz/Giselle - Jailkeeper, 1-Shot Mass Jailkeep -

N1

Jailed

Fate

N2

Jailed

ALL

Sathoris/Jasmine - 1-Shot Bulletproof
Iecrint/Alice - Investigate -

N1

Investigated

Fitz

N2

Investigated

Fate

Fate/Little Miss Muffet - 1-Shot Busdriver, 1-Shot Redirector -

N1

Bussed

Kast

and

Ooba

N2

Redirected

Amrun

to

Sathoris

ABR/Witch of the West - 3-Shot Anonymous Messages
Kdub/Belle - Enhancer -

N1

Enhanced

LLD

N2

Enhanced

Iecrint

Kast/Red Riding Hood - Beloved Princess, Odd-Night Busdriver -

N1

Bussed

Kdub

and

Kast

Ooba/Cinderella - BP, Mass Role-Block -

N1

-

N2

Roleblocked

ALL

Spoiler: Dead:

Spyrex/Wendy Darling - ???
Kunk/Aurora - ???
Robo/Dorothy - Roleblocker, ???
LLD/Ariel - 2-Shot Tracker, 2-Shot Watcher

Spoiler: Active Claimed Powers and some thoughts

Given the claims, tonight town potentially has:
-Neighborizer ~ demonstrable
-Jailkeeper ~ semi-demonstrable
-Cop+ ~ semi-demonstrable
-Annonymous Message ~ demonstrable
-Enhancer ~ semi-demonstrable
-Busdriver ~ semi-demonstrable
There's at least one and possibly more night kills with unknown scum abilities.
-Tonight I'm going to bus-drive myself with an target I'm not going to pre-announce.

This has interesting repercussions with the claimed town abilities (provided I don't get blocked somehow)Amrun
-If Amrun targets me or my target, it should confirm me.
Fitz
-Dunno whether his jailkeep would have priority over busdriving (if it does, then not bad)
Iec
-If Iec targets me, he should get someone else's claim.
--If my bus target is scum, I can reveal the scum first thing tomorrow
--If my bus target is town, Iec can confirm both Kast AND my bus target
-If Iec targets someone else and gets my role, Iec can confirm me
ABR's ability doesn't do much
Kdub
-Dunno whether his doubling has priority over busdriving. If it doesn't, then it becomes potentially demonstrable.

Spoiler: Thoughts on Specific Player Claims

-I believe Iec's claim. He has too much info for N1 and it fits well with RC's style.
-I'm also inclined to believe Kdub's and Amrun's claims, and based on game play, I'm inclined to think they're both town.
Out of:
ABR, Fate, Fitz, Ooba, Sathoris
-ABR's claim sounds like scum, but I don't see why he would claim scum openly (except if Fate is correct that he's trying to keep an UBER-POWERFUL scumbuddy alive)
-Fate I've highlighted my thoughts on Fate. I don't think her interaction with ABR is fake; I doubt they're on the same team.
-Fitz/Ooba as I've posted earlier I think at least one is scum. Just from gut and game play, I'd say Ooba has been more town-like. From the actual claims, I'd have to go against my gut with Fitz's claim more plausible-town. I'd rather leave them for tomorrow and a potential investigation/more information. There's also the chance that they're both scum (on the same team or even one mafia one SK).
-If Ooba is SK, then Sathoris is probable town. Otherwise he is PoE scum.

I think an ABR or Fate lynch would probably be best for today. I prefer Fate, since she has the most ties and since her claim most directly conflicts with what I know.

Spoiler: The following ordered lists shows my lynch preference.

Preferred Lynch:

Fate

Acceptable Lynch:

ABR
Fitz
Ooba
Sathoris

Beats No Lynch:

Amrun
Kdub
Iec

Loses to No Lynch:

Kast

VOTE: Fate

[Kdub]

ooba, when did you submit your action during N2?

My ability is just called "Enhance".

Within 1.5 hours of the D2 flip ..

In that case, you submitted before me, and it is plausible that your action resolved before mine did and prevented it from occurring.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

3.4

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Fate [3] – Albert B. Rampage, Amrun, Kast

Not Voting

– Fate, havingfitz, Iecerint, Kdub, ooba, Sathoris

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With 9 players alive, it is 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 21 at 2pm PST (5pm EST).

[Iecerint]

1.

Commuter is the exact fakeclaim I had for one for the three scum according to what I thought the setup was! (I had it as Tinkerbell but w/e)

Ooba, I've been wondering in the back of my head since N1 whether you were Tinkerbell because of this. I thought it was a crumb.

Where did this come from?

Also, if you'd decided that scum would have an investigative fakeclaim this game, why don't you think I am scum, especially with no Tinkerbell claim *AND* my ability implies she exists and is town *AND* (requires either the 10% failure on fitz OR unclaimed scum target-switcher).

I mean I know I'm town, but I'm surprised no one's pushing for my lynch tbh...

2. I think RC has deliberately messed with the ability names a little. For example, my ability has a mundane name, and Kast's rolename is mundane.

3. @ whoever spec'd at my N2 flavor, I can confirm that there's no nature-y flavor associated with it. One additional detail that didn't make it into the flavor is that I do *attempt* to go, but I stay in bed instead. But that's all. I probably got an indication-at-all because I always get flavor, so I'd whine at RC if I didn't get something.

[Iecerint]

Ooba, why did you want to claim last? Just your roleblock, or...?

[Albert B. Rampage]

oobs and kast opportunistic scum?

unvote, vote Kast

[ooba]

@Kast
"In terms of mechanics balance,

with what's been claimed

, I doubt town has to deal with 2 scum teams."
Here's what your claim list misses out on
- Kunk claimed 2 shot Hider+Commuter
- SpyreX is a protective role from flavor
Also, if I was a SK in this game, would have just kept quiet about my BP, given the meta on BP claims equaling SK automatically.

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@Iece
- Regarding tinkerbell, at the start of the game I made a list of all possible roles in the game depending on whether the fairy tale character was sexy enough or not (Pics and stuff). After reading the first game, I tried reasoning what powers RC would give to scum and the corresponding fakeclaims. This was what I thought the fakeclaims were at that time:
Little red riding hood - Cop
Rapunzel - JK
Tinker Bell - Commuter
- Reason I'm not pushing your lynch now is that if you're scum
a) You're lying about your ability. In which case, you would have made up for result for today and got caught.
b) If you're an actual rolecop kinda of scum role - you would have welcome the chance to semi-confirm yourself with N1 results. At worst, you could have made up flavor on N1 about people who had claimed before you instead of going "tinkerbell" which if you're scum - you know will put the spotlight on you.
The 10% also ties in with your ability not working properly on one GF scum. (So one false positive amongst 12 targets = wrong 8.3% of the time = Right 91.66% of the time). So yeah, much better choices for the lynch today.
- Yes, I wanted to claim last because of my mass roleblock.

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More thoughts on why ABR claimed scum in thread
a) Because of me
- Clearly tinkerbell is not there in the setup since no pro-town player has claimed the role
- Also Snow white not being there is also weird. Given that
-- I said "I expected tinkerbell to the commuter fakeclaim"
-- I was pushing for a massclaim
Scum thought I was a role who had inside info on their fakeclaims. So decided to hedge bets; One person claims the best fakeclaim given to them, ABR takes a risk with claiming actual villain name cause of "Why would scum do that" WIFOM and make up another name. (Giselle is the claim which sounds out there).
b) Because by claiming scum in thread and getting lynched - give the impression that scum don't have fakeclaims - because one of their partners has a kickass fakeclaim.
c) He's a role like Bomb - so should probably have second most scummiest candidate hammer him just in case.
d) One of the scum have a governor ability - seems broken in a mini but you never know.

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768 is an opportunistic scum attempt to get BP lynched or yet another attempt to get himself lynched. I am definitely voting ABR today ..

[Iecerint]

ABR, is your character sexed up in your image?

[ooba]

Something I noticed on ability names - hence the question to everyone on that. Also should note that people who claimed later could have noticed that ability names - lack flavor ..

Green Zone

My abilities names are what I claimed in thread - Mass roleblock and Bulletproof.

My ability is called

Investigate.

My abilities names are Switch for the busdrive, and Redirect

Simply: One-Shot Bulletproof.

My ability is just called "Enhance".

Neutral Zone

"Steal from" is pretty self-explanatory, but okay. Steal from and Befriend.

My Beloved Princess ability is just called that.
My Bus-Driving ability is Delivery.

Red Zone

Wicked Witch of the West
Abilities: Crystal Ball, Clear as Glass

My ability names are -

Focused friends

which is applied with

Shield: player

and

Oh no they don't!

which is applied with

Let's play nice.

[ooba]

ABR, is your character sexed up in your image?

RC has threatened a modkill on picture discussions to me in PM when I checked with him.

I've found out ABR's pic but we should stay off this topic.

[Iecerint]

I notice that this game has between 1-3 instances of characters from the same universe being included (bold are confirmed, parenthetical is implied by flavor, remaining is claimed):

Wendy

-- (Tinkerbell) (I think Tinkerbell is probably intended to be the fake half of the hypothetical GF role, since she can't be a town role since she wasn't claimed, unless my 10% is literally a random occurrence BUT my ability implies that it is wrong because people lie, which leads toward GF-world)

Dorothy

-- Wicked Witch

Ariel

-- (Ursula) (based only on flavor)

P-edit: Worth noting that Kast also stands out on those grounds, since he's a

Beloved Princess

rather than something fancy.

P-edit x2: Oh

My thought was that ABR's role is more plausible if RC was inspired by the Wicked musical, in which case he would claim a sexed-up picture. If he claimed one that isn't sexed-up, that would lean scum.

[Iecerint]

Oh wait wait.

Kast, is Beloved Princess your ABILITY or your ROLENAME or BOTH?