NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[Chair]

Yos: why are you assuming multiple scum factions (if that's what you're assuming)? Could you clarify 921?
kanye: why are you assuming that yos slipped? I just reread what he said and that is kind of funny, but it looks more like a careless mistake than necessarily a scumslip.

Agreed with 920 though. Whoever did that (assuming it was a vig) that was a pretty bad shot. At the very least, we have a clear somewhere. I'm assuming that three kills are from a vig shot on hiraki and a bookie double-shot on the masons.

-implosion

[kanyeknowsbest]

Anyway, if there's 2 mafia left, then if we lynch wrong today,

we mafia

easily win tonight unless we get very lucky with crosskills. I guess we massclaim, try to lynch a member of the mafia, and then prey for crosskills? That's probably our only shot at this point.

he forgot to delete his we. also he seems to know that we are lylo.

[kanyeknowsbest]

i dont think thats the kind of careless mistake you are implying he made chair

[Chair]

i dont think thats the kind of careless mistake you are implying he made chair

I saw the we, but it could just as easily be be a mafia who forgot to take it out as it could be a townie who carelessly put it in, especially since mafia tend to be more careful when they post, they'd frankly be more likely to see it and take it out. I agree that him saying it's lylo is strange, and I don't see any reason that it would be lylo with 11 people alive.

-implosion

[Knight of Cydonia]

I didn't even notice that "we" at first glance of reading. That reads like a Quicktopic post that was copied over and forgot to have all the "we"s replaced.

Vote: Yosarian

[Îdher]

This is not actually LyLo, there is not actually more than one scum faction, and Yosarian's typo was from town. That's all kind of obvious.

Also, probably lots of scum on the Empwagon. But most of the plays this game that I really hate are the ones that a lot of people seemed to agree on. It's frustrating. Makes it hard to pinpoint shit.

-Ether

[Oversoul]

I am honestly surprised about the Hiraki flip. *sigh* I really wished Dram or T-Bone had the foresight to post their reads along with Ethos's read, unless I missed it. If I am not mistaken, Dram promised to post the reads, but his activity this game...

I feel like Yos's "slip" was not a slip and rather just a tired typo. You can see that he implied town with his second use of the word we.

Kanye's immediate jump on that slip is suspicious in my opinion, but I can't really tell discern anything from anyone this game. My reads have all been off and the activity has kinda made me lose interest. Ugh, so much WIFOM with this particular situation.

Bookie really screwed everything up, especially with the threat of a Mafia traitor (which I believe is in the game). I haven't seen anyone try and breadcrumb a cop ability and as a result there wouldn't be a need for a tailor. No one counterclaimed Emp that night so I am pretty sure there is no vigilante. I don't think there is a rolecop due to the apparent lack of actual power roles. It wouldn't make sense for there to be a role cop with a 3 man mason group + an innocent child or tree stump seeing as they prove themselves in the event of a L-1.

[SpyreX]

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Why do you believe there is a mafia traitor with a bookie in play?

More importantly:

It is now Day 3. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

With 1 dead scum, even with a bookie, already how is this lylo under any normal mechanics?

[xRECKONERx]

Yosarian2 (2): kanyeknowsbest, Knight of Cydonia

Not voting: Everyone else

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2011-07-19 23:00:00).

[MrZepher]

that's a little less than 5.5:1 scum to town, how is that LYLO?
Silly goose.

I find Yos' slip damning, and Idher's potential chainsaw damning.
Sorry I've been gone. Fun weekend; totally worth it.

I'm almost too lazy to look for questions directed at me. Rereading shortly.

[Oversoul]

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Why do you believe there is a mafia traitor with a bookie in play?

More importantly:

It is now Day 3. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

With 1 dead scum, even with a bookie, already how is this lylo under any normal mechanics?

Because the lack of other roles that are in the game mostly. What do you believe the scum team has? Also, how big would a scum team be in this game?

[Îdher]

Scumteam is four people, one of whom might or might not be a traitor. (Normally I'd assume no, but I think the older drafts of this game had one? Can't remember.) Obviously they have a bookie, and presumably also a rolecop because Reckoner screwed up Empking's flip.

Zephyr, do you have any idea what a chainsaw actually is?

-Ether

[SpyreX]

Yea and 3 left would only be lylo if the bookie a.) has more shots and b.) picks right and c.) its not scum that gets lynched.

So, here's the deal:

If Yos is scum I'm smelling bookied scum all over that (i.e. that wasn't a "slip").

However, Yos D2 doesn't make a lot of sense as scum WITH Empking with Empking bookied.

And, Yos-play before that is town++.

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As for the vig shot if I had a bullet Hiraki would have been up on the list some after that weird empking's not scum business. The "avoid the bookie" kill I can see SOME but not scum? Never. Post lynch he smelled really town again but if there's any time that smelling town is tricky versus a scum scent its then. So I really don't get the OMG on that shot. There could have been better, but still.

That said:

Unvote, Vote: Chair

Sketch aside early the simple fact there was no vote D2 and I fully expected at least A scum to avoid that wagon like the plague with the bookie being a pretty clear "SCUM BE HERE" sign.

[mastin2]

On my desktop right now, so I'm away from my notes. (They're on my laptop.) Will return and consult the notes. But for the moment? {SpyreX, Chair}, and {Kayne, Yosarian} looks like it's one scum in each group.

Definitely 1-2 scum in those four.

[Yosarian2]

vote: yosarian2

nice slip.

What the hell?

[Yosarian2]

Yos: why are you assuming multiple scum factions (if that's what you're assuming)? Could you clarify 921?

There were 2 kills night 1, and 3 kills last night. Huh. I was assuming SK, mafia, vig, but there can't be a SK in this setup, so it's got to be mafia, mafia bookie, vig.

Either way, assuming 2 mafia, if we lynch wrong today we lose.

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, if there's 2 mafia left, then if we lynch wrong today,

we mafia

easily win tonight unless we get very lucky with crosskills. I guess we massclaim, try to lynch a member of the mafia, and then prey for crosskills? That's probably our only shot at this point.

he forgot to delete his we. also he seems to know that we are lylo.

You are an idiot.

Yes, I forgot to deleate the we when I changed the sentance from "we lose tongiht" to "the mafia win tonight". The fact that you're acting like that's a scumslip is just terrible.

And of course we're in lynch or lose. Unless we started off with only a 2 man mafia, but with a vig and masons, that dosn't make sense.

[SpyreX]

Yossssss skip ahead some and stop being crazy please.

[Yosarian2]

2 votes on me within 12 hours of the game starting, in lynch or lose, when there's 2 scum left and it's 4 votes to lynch? Are you guys really that bad at mafia?

[Îdher]

There was one kill Night 1. There are 11 players left and 6 to lynch. Yosarian, you're confusing this game with something else and it's really obvious that there's only one scumgroup. Help me find it.

-Ether

[Yosarian2]

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Yes. Ok, that was really dumb. I have no idea why I thought there were only 6 people left alive in this game.

I think I should go to bed.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, sorry about that yesterday. I was sooo tired after work yesterday, heh. And I was thinking of this as a 13 player mini game and was thinking we'd only have 6 people left after 2 kills followed by 3 kills, so I thought we were in 6 player lynch or lose, and I totally freaked out when people started voting me despite that. Of course we're not actually in lynch or lose, because there's 11 people still alive, and there's no way there's enough scum to make that a possible lynch or lose situation.

That being said, despite my silly posting from yesterday, I really don't get why people are suspicious of me at this point, considering I started the wagon on Quilford day 1 and kept pushing all day after Empking replaced in, and considering that all game I was saying I thought Ethos and Hiraki were town and did everything I could to stop either one of them from being lynched. My reads this game have been really good, and I think I've done more to help the town at this point then anyone else in the game has. I can't believe people are ignoring all that in favor of an absurd "scumslip" argument based on a stupid typo I made while I was half asleep.

[mastin2]

Yos, I want to believe you. So,

Vote: Kayne

.

[Oversoul]

Wait, how did they get that 3rd kill last night? Does that confirm a Vig?

Also, I am inclined to vote Kanye for reasons stated in my earlier post toDay. I'll look over his iso.

[Yosarian2]

Ok, doing a re-read now to find Empking's scum buddies, taking an especally close look at the day 1 empking wagon, since that's really the most informativie thing that's happened all game.

Probably town

kunkstar7: Key 4th vote on the day 1 empking wagon. Need to hear more from this guy, but leaning town.

saporovirus: 5th vote on the day 1 empking wagon, pushed it pretty hard.

Îdher: Pretty clearly town.

Null/Leaning town

SpyreX: Generally positive opinion on this guy. Generally makes sense. Only major point against him is he was on the bad day 1 Ethos wagon.

Oversoul: He just feels like a newbie town to me. Mostly gut.

Mastin2: The tell that I nailed Quilford with was creating a false dilemma between Ythan and Ethos. That probably means that they were both town (despite Ythan being a huge pain in the ass later in day 1). That being said; can you explain why you thought Quilford was town on day 1, Mastin?


Chair: No real problems with their play so far. No strong towntells either, though; I was debating if I should put him in this catagory or the null/scummy catagory.

Null/scumy

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kanyeknowsbest: His play all around is generally meh.

Knight of Cydonia: Basically ignored the empking wagon day 1, which is a big black mark against him, but otherwise played in a reasonable way on day 1.

His excuse for voting for me today is really terrible, though; did you really think there was a "scum quicktopic post" where the entire scum group completly lost track of how many people were left alive, where they talked about crosskills in a game that clearly only has one scum group, but yet where they somehow knew that Hiraki was going to be vig killed? That makes zero sense, KoC.

Scummy:
MrZepher: Has not really scumhunted or done anything pro-town all game. (Swag looked pretty bad too.) Avoided the EmpKing wagon both day 1 and day 2. It's especally scummy that when the obviously town Îdher defends me, he attacks them for "chainsawing".

Vote:MrZepher