Hmm...I would have rather not had what I said confirmed. I made the mess by not looking under the button, I should have had to clean it up. That said, thank you to Shotty for asking and Tragedy for answering.
Unfortunately, Shotty, it makes what I'm about to do now even less pleasant. And I do apologize.
These questions are from my first post to Shotty. The answers, in bold, are his responses to those questions.
drmyshottyizsik wrote:When you went on about bussing had you just missed that Hiraki had declared Neil scum, voted him and was increasingly tunneling on him, or was there some other thought process at play?
Yes I missed that
What was it about Sigma's repeating Hiraki's answer that finally ended your quest so thoroughly that by the end of the post you wanted to "let's go scumhunting!"?
I realized I had missed it
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Why, when you'd just told Hiraki that he was being over-dominating, condescending and intimidating did you vote the bandwagon he'd been pursuing so strongly immediately after Hiraki tells you he doesn't want to argue with you because he's sure Neil will flip scum. Were you so thoroughly dominated and intimidated that you felt the need to follow Hiraki's lead, even though you'd been barking at him throughout the day, even though you were putting Neil at L-1, even though you offered no additional reasoning of your own?
Because Hiraki, since he was being so dominate, seemed like that kind of guy who would bus his scum buddy, and bus him hard. So by voting for Neil, I was able to wait for a lynch and then see what happened. Right now Hiraki is confirmed town in my book.
Now maybe I shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about missing something, but in between post in thread #123, where Hiraki first voted for Neil and post in thread #135 where you first vote Hiraki for being in a scum team with Neil six of the posts relate directly to Hiraki’s vote on Neil, including two that expressly mention the fact that Hiraki is voting Neil.
That’s a lot of that exchange for someone who is legitimately scumhunting to miss, especially someone who is hinging their case on the relationship between Neil and Hiraki.
And besides, did you really get it, even then?
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Sigh... Ok Hiraki I will accept that but I was more wanting you to explain where you came up with that... bussing is a lot different that what people were saying you maybe doing. Sorry I got so caught up on that. Now let's do some scum hunting!
This is your post, #199 in thread. And you still don’t seem aware that Hiraki was voting Neil at the time you accused him of being scumbuddies with Neil. It really sounds to me more like scum deciding a particular case isn’t going to work and letting it go because they don’t really care. Especially with that “let’s do some scumhunting!” on the end.
But then, you really didn’t let it go?
drmyshottyizsik wrote:Why, when you'd just told Hiraki that he was being over-dominating, condescending and intimidating did you vote the bandwagon he'd been pursuing so strongly immediately after Hiraki tells you he doesn't want to argue with you because he's sure Neil will flip scum. Were you so thoroughly dominated and intimidated that you felt the need to follow Hiraki's lead, even though you'd been barking at him throughout the day, even though you were putting Neil at L-1, even though you offered no additional reasoning of your own?
Because Hiraki, since he was being so dominate, seemed like that kind of guy who would bus his scum buddy, and bus him hard. So by voting for Neil, I was able to wait for a lynch and then see what happened. Right now Hiraki is confirmed town in my book.
Okay, so you dropped your case against Hiraki because you realized you’d missed Hiraki’s vote and explanation and then decided to “go scumhunting!” with him.
But then your entire reason for voting for Neil is based on the possibility of Hiraki voting for Neil in order to bus his scumbuddy.
And then when Neil turned out to be an innocent passenger it not only confirmed Hiraki as town – confirmed – but also launched you into an immediate morning vote on Vifam, which you have never bothered to really explain.
There is dishonesty in your answers, Shotty. Either you never really gave up your case on Hiraki/Neil or you voted for Neil for a different reason than the one you provided me above. Or I am misunderstanding you, and I would like you to have an opportunity to set me right.
Any answers you could provide would be appreciated.
Also, given Shotty’s first day vote on Neil to find out if Hiraki is scum or town and Hiraki and Shotty’s second day vote on Vifam to decide if don_johnson is scum, can I ask a question for anyone?
It’s been about two years since I’ve played Mafia. Back when I played we tried to figure out who seemed scummiest and voted for them. Is it now common practice to figure out who seems scummiest and then vote for someone we think may be tenuously linked to them?
Because somehow that doesn’t seem quite right.
