The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[havingfitz]

There is a chance someone observing me (or whatever) could have noticed wings.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

2.4

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Lady Lambdadelta [4] – Kast, Amrun, ooba, Iecerint

Iecerint [2]

– Lady Lambdadelta, havingfitz

bv310 [1]

– Fate

Not Voting

– Albert B. Rampage, bv310, Kdub

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With 10 players alive, it is 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 14 at 8pm PST (11pm EST).

[Iecerint]

I believe fitz is voting for me...

Shenanigans?

[ReaperCharlie]

Nope, no shenanigans. Fixed.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sathoris replaces in for bv310

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[Kast]

LLD's inability to track/watch anyone last night takes away some of the immunity of her initial claim IMO.

Though if she was scum...there wouldn't really be a reason say she couldn't perform her action

because she probably could have just as easily said she had tracked or watched someone (like Robo or a scumbuddy). So more suspicion towards her for no action but not a concrete indictment.

This sounds off. If LLD is scum, then she obviously DID her action(s) and is just lying. For that matter, if she is scum, she may have been successfully doubled and today she's playing dumb in hopes of framing Kdub. Also, if she is lying about a track/watch ability, she may very well be telling the truth about not targeting anyone because she'd have been the obvious choice for a real tracker.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kast, do you not understand that the double may not have reached me because I didn't send an initial action on time?

Iece is pretty obv scum.

Amrun's claim is something scum could easily be given.

Further, why wouldn't Amrun, as town, Theif me to confirm my ability?

I know confirmed role =/= confirmed alignment, but watcher/tracker is a pretty town role.

And if Amrun was town, even if I was scum, she could have stolen those abilities for the betterment of town.

Instead she steals from Robo?

Co-incidentally the person who died? Who's role we can't confirm?

And blocks ABR?!!!?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I was framing Kdub, wouldn't I be attacking him?

Amrun/Iece/Kast

2 of them are scum.

Take it to the bank.

[Sathoris]

/acknowledgement

Stuck at work now, will fully read the thread with comments when I get back.

[Kast]

@LLD-
-LLD, do you not understand that the double should have been told to you BEF-ORE deadline so you could choose targets/etc?

As an aside to all, early action submission also gives RC more time to write flavor; I'm all for RC dropping more flavor hints.

-You've already shown today you're just looking to vote where you can join a wagon that's not you. I doubt you'd have any support for a Kdub wagon (to be fair, your Iec OMGUS doesn't have much support either).

@Amrun-
If your thief ability works on passive abilities, that would be potentially interesting/awesome but also potentially terrible...don't confirm, I just had to share that thought for post game.

Also, for reference to others, in tBatB1, MoI had a theif ability that prevented the target from using their primary ability and allowed the thief to use that ability instead for that one night only (if it made sense). It was essentially a partial RB/partial Rolecop/partial ability thief.

[Amrun]

It is the same role. I am also 2-shot Neughborizer but I can't use both at the same time.

I stole from Robo because he looked sketch with his comments after the hammer yesterday. I blocked ABR because I have a hard time reading him.

I didn't steal from LLD because Kdub was already confirming her.

[ReaperCharlie]

As an aside to all, early action submission also gives RC more time to write flavor

; I'm all for RC dropping more flavor hints.

A True Story Actually Worth Reading

, by Kast McKasterson

[ooba]

Instead she steals from Robo?

Co-incidentally the person who died? Who's role we can't confirm?

"Obstructor" is definitely roleblocker.

[Kdub]

Amrun:
I'm not seeing how your claim leads you to conclude anything about whether myself or LLD were roleblocked by scum last night. Also, when you use your thief ability, does the person you target lose that ability?

fitz:
I'm not keeping my case on you hidden, I suspect you for the same reasons I suspected you yesterday, though I am still thinking through all the new developments today.

Here's the issue I'm having with LLD. If she were scum, and I actually did enhance her last night, why would she be claiming to have missed her action? If she wanted to lie about it to make me look bad, wouldn't she have just claimed to have not gotten a second ability use?

[Iecerint]

@ Kdub re: Amrun -- I think her interpretation is that she has already found the roleblocker, it was a town one, and her having used it on him blocked him for that night. The only logic-step is that there would only be 1 roleblocker. Refer to Kast's post above.

Regarding the last, I think we would've lynched her first if she'd claimed that given RC's prior use of the role you claimed.

My guess is that her scumfriend is the one who's a tracker or watcher, and our decision to have you target her messed up the plan to use his ability to "confirm" her, so they had to improvise.

Her claimed role never really make any sense. It's too simple for RC's standards; compare it to the Tracker hybrid role from the original B&B game (mine!) where Zelda could transform into Sheik to perform doctor or tracker roles....

[Amrun]

Uh.

You think town has more than two roleblockers?

RC wouldn't confirm if Robo got to use his roleblock but the same ability in the first game did not allow the target's action to resolve


So if mine works the same way, town has/had two roleblockers. More is absurd.

If scum has one, that's something else, but ooba suggests they do not.

[havingfitz]

@Kast (post 505)...what appears off about the LLd scum scenario I layed out? The ones you mention are possibilities as well. My point wass...while I felt strongly that her claim D1 was coming from town (despite doing a few things I found very suspicious), the fact she ~did not utilize her PR abilities N2 make me less confident that she is town.

That said,

@LLd (post 506)...All good points you bring up against Amrun. I have not had a lot of suspicion towards her in this game but that could be due to perhaps a tad less activity on her part (similar to my lack of reads/positions on the player formerly known as bv and ABR).

@Kdub (post 513)...so you're still suspicious of me for the already established reasons of post 254 which boiled down to you thinking my suspicions towards Iece are based around Spyrex's kill and that I probably killed SpyreX in order to push a case on Iece. The problem with this is when I first voted on Iece I was under the assumption (as a few of us were) that Fate had killed SpyreX, this assumes that I am scum with a daykill, an SK with a day kill (?) or a dayvig, and more importantly...I don't believe I have made any suggestions that Iece killed SpyreX and that that is a reason for my vote on him.

So in summary...you think I'm suspect because you think I killed Spyrex to push a case on Iece despite the fact I haven't done this.

Your case on me is crap and it feels like you are conveniently keeping me a suspect for a potential wagon switch later.

Why is Kdub confirmed town again? Or is he?

[ooba]

@Iecerint - I like the scumfriend theory.

@Amrun - I don't want to reveal much right now. Let's just say I find it improbable ..

@Fitz - He's not confirmed but my get tells me he's town based on claim+play ..

[ooba]

Also I think we should hold off lynching until Sathoris catches up .. A fresh set of eyes is good and also gives that slot a chance to comment ..

[Kast]

Gonna be V/LA until Tuesday. I'd prefer no lynching until after I get back.

[Sathoris]

Right.

My major scumread right now is LLD. It all starts with Robo mentioning this. As said in the thread LLD reacted too defensively too my liking. A lot of self-meta talk later which I really don't like as it's a very easy thing to fake. Liking Iece's analysis of LLD's post. LLD's also claiming Robo's made bad posts which I don't see at all.

I also disagree with this. Scum wants to convince people of their argument more so than town. Town wants to attack scum and make them defensive and make posts that will later be referenced to to contradict them. Agreeing with scum doesn't give you that scenario and could end up in a 'let's agree to disagree' situation in which scumhunting town don't want to be.

I don't think LLD's claim was premature. A claim like that means we probably won't lynch her and gives us more time to focus somewhere else and not worry someone hammers at L-1 who doesn't believe the claim even if it can be checked.

Where was this post before LLD claims? Seems a bit opportunistic now that LLD isn't the lynch of the day. Could've gotten some debate out of that with the informed party when death by lynch was on the line. Now it's forgotten.

Iece first mentiones the possibility of an SK here. Seeing as we've had limited PR's outed the dayvig either has a 2 shot vig or he would come forward as vig who used up his 1shot. Will know more tomorrow if another daykill happens. Don't think it's a scumkill as we had a nightkill since that post.

Amrun's also pinging my scumdar for flipping votes a few times on LLD with little reason. Flips a lot.

LLD not getting any result is just too convenient. Even after oomba's ability made sure the double PR gift reached her. Also not getting a notification of a double PR seems very odd. Likely scum can't benefit from the double PR gift.

This post brings up LLD scum motivation for what happened. Your gift was pretty much confirmed to go through and claiming to not receive it would mean she'd have to send in her normal action. Which means she'd have to submit a pro-town looking action that would help the town. Not something you'd want as scum. What's better is just to send in your scum action and claim you didn't do anything.

Not voting yet to put her at L-1 untill tomorrow.

Now for my paranoid theory:

Spoiler:

LLD was supiciously absent after this post from Fate in which he tells LLD to lurk. Could be scum coaching a buddy under fire. And when I reread some earlier stuff with new glasses makes Fate suspicious. He repeatedly changed reads on LLD and bussed her hard. Even after she claimed he went on even though it was clear LLD shouldn't be lynched. More distancing. Also Fate hinting at having shot SX could be he was trying to get the real vig to CC. And if that happened his claim was ambigious enough to deny claiming a vig.

More weird interaction. Fate also seems very active but has mainly been focused on LLD and switching votes around without reason.

LLD setting up a nice 1v1 situation in which Fate would seem town when she ends up being lynched scum.

I focused mainly on LLD and will look into the rest more tomorrow when I've had some rest.

[Fate]

Lol I like my vote on Bvscum/Sathoris scum

"FATE BUSSIN LLD SUPAH THEORIESZ"

A two year old could fake that shit

[Albert B. Rampage]

That was terribad Amrun

[Fate]

We could lynch her over LLD couldn't we?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, yes we could.

Vote: Amrun