The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Amrun]

I shouldn't require replacement but I will keep everyone updated.

Is a massclaim happening y/n?,

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

2.2

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bv310 [2] – Fate, ooba
Kast [2] – Amrun, Lady Lambdadelta

Lady Lambdadelta [1]

– Kast

Not Voting

– Albert B. Rampage, bv310, havingfitz, Iecerint, Kdub

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With 10 players alive, it is 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 14 at 8pm PST (11pm EST).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/hug Amrun

Take your time, hun. That's more important than this game.

[Amrun]

Is massclaim happening though for real?

Mafia is a good distraction sometimes.

[Iecerint]

I would say A is the closest. It says (paraphrasing) they may perform an action twice. The language does not imply anything about using "another" ability.

Based on what you've said, I think the only way LLD can be town is if RC has changed the mechanic to work such that there are "2 halves" of Night such that the second one comes into play if an ability like yours makes it necessary. But even given that, it seems like LLD would have been able to use her ability at least once UNLESS your ability only activates if an action is used successfully in the first half.

Does that make sense?

[Iecerint]

Maybe that lets you ask RC a more specific question? To me, there are ways to just get clarification about the actual function/processing of your role itself without asking about the present situation, so you should be able to get some information....

[Albert B. Rampage]

cool

[Kast]

@Amrun-
If we're good to proceed with the mechanics contradiction that circumstantially incriminates the already identified scummiest player LLD; then no mass claim.

If we're going to ignore the claimed PRs (and their implications) in favor of sitting around aimlessly, then I'd prefer going through with the mass claim.

[Iecerint]

I'd like to see if we can nail down Kdub's ability a little more so as to possibly remove some residual ambiguity first.

[Kdub]

My questions to RC were fairly general, and he basically said he can't tell me when or how things resolve. I don't think further questioning is going to get anywhere.

[Iecerint]

You don't have to ask about resolution at all; you can just ask about what your ability DOES. As in, does the target have to use an action that night for your ability to have an effect: y/n.

Common sense based on what you've already told us would be "no," but "yes" is the only way that LLD can be town AFAICT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Except that my action never got sent.

So possible outcomes also include:

1) RC didn't tell me because I didn't send
2) Role shenanigans occured through roleblocking

People trying to "confirm me as scum" through uncertain night actions are very likely scum.

Oh look, Kast and Iece.

[Iecerint]

It is true that there are imaginable universes where you are not auto-scum. I am trying to evaluate one such universe with Kdub as we speak.

It is not true that the existence of at least one such universe means that it is the probable universe.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So you're trying to argue that in a power heavy RC game, the scum team doesn't have a RoleBlocker?

[Iecerint]

1. The roleblocker can't mess with Kdub in the Blackest Night-version of ability resolution.
2. Ooba prevented you from being messed with last night.

Ergo, we have to stipulate at least 2 of RC changing the mechanics around, ooba lying, and roleblocks happening correctly last night for you to be possible town due to RB shenanigans AFAICT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Iece, you are failing to read, much like I did.

I was only kill immune last night. I was not action immune, like I assumed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, this was discussed, so there's no excuse for you being te second person to miss this.

You're still deliberately pushing bad logic.... Which is scummy.

[Iecerint]

Huh?

OHHH. Kdub's 416 didn't really sink in until right now. I read Ooba's end-of-D1 post the same way you did. <_<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, that was fake as shit.

[Iecerint]

Still doubt scum'd roleblock you unless they just wanted to toy with Ooba's ability (unless Ooba is scum), cuz his language implies he makes you tamper-proof:

One of my abilities allows me to make sure LLD cannot be killed tonight - Can't be roleblocked\redirected in any way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're still trying to get me lynched on that?

Your vote isn't even on me. You're cheerleading.

Unvote; Vote: Iece

Fate, can we do this one today instead?

[Iecerint]

I'm obviously not going to vote you until I have all necessary information.

[Amrun]

LLD and Kdub were not roleblocked by town.

Vote: LLD

[Iecerint]

LLD and Kdub were not roleblocked by town.

Vote: LLD

?

[Kdub]

You don't have to ask about resolution at all; you can just ask about what your ability DOES. As in, does the target have to use an action that night for your ability to have an effect: y/n.

OK, I will ask him about this.

LLD and Kdub were not roleblocked by town.

I think you had better explain.