Open 314: CSL Express [SCUM WINS]

[Coventry]

I'm terribly sorry, Hiraki, but what you are doing then is lynching Vifam for an error (and remember, you said you do your scumhunting by looking for errors) that Don_Johnson made.

And if Vifam is town it somehow clears Don_Johnson for his action.

That isn't even close to passing the sniff test.

You haven't made any sort of case for Vifam being scum apart from this interchange. But you have made me reread your posts to this point. I mean voted for Vifam in your in-thread post #82. But in your in-thread post #107 you posted:

Nevermind. Real vote here.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

Which might lead a reasonable person to believe that your early vote, which you quoted as though it somehow verified your long-standing case against Vifam, was not a real or a serious vote. And since you yanked the vote you quoted just above

off

Vifam as soon as he got to L-2 I just can't believe you had a very scummy read.


Maybe I'm being dense. Maybe you're operating on a meta you haven't shared. Either of these things are certainly a possibility. But I do know you're making some mistakes here, acting in a way that doesn't flow logically and playing rather fast and loose with the actual facts of what you have done.

Posting your vote on Vifam as though it was part of a

serious

case when you yanked that vote at L-2 and never again expressed any suspicion of Vifam until

Don_Johnson's error

and then trying to use that vote to prove you had previous suspicions of Vifram when you yourself said that a later vote on another player was:

Real vote here.

Is extremely suspicious. Why? Because it seems patently dishonest. And it seems dishonest in the pursuit of pushing on your fellow passengers an extremely illogical course of action.

Anyway, as I said, maybe I'm missing something big and obvious. But I've studied your posts pretty closely, in context and isolation, and I don't think so.

As always, thank you for talking to me. And if there is anything that might make me see the error of my ways please do share. I am very close to moving my vote to you, in spite of how bad a showing I feel Shotty has made, but I would be happy if you could explain your actions in a way that would dissuade me.

[Coventry]

Shotty,

Hiraki is confirmed town because he unflinchingly championed the lynching of an innocent.

But it would have been proof of his guilt if he had championed the lynching of scum. And you suddenly and submissively went along with this dominating, condescending and intimidating person's wishes:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Fine I'll be productive

unvote
vote Neil

because you were executing a secret strategy to prove Hiraki was scum because he successfully lynched scum.

Did you read that after you wrote it? Hiraki pushing the lynching a helpless sap of a train passenger proves Hiraki's innocent, but if Neil had been scum it would have proven Hiraki guilty. Now that Hiraki pushed the lynching of an innocent, one you contributed to, he's aces in your book.

Once again, you are swearing up Hiraki based on the role he played in lynching an innocent and defending the role you played in that lynching by claiming it was a secret plan to prove Hiraki was scum because he led the rush to lynch his scum buddy.

Up is down. Black is white. You know, if the people on this train accept that explanation, with the logic behind it, the mafia deserves this train.

Thank you, Shotty, for answering. By the way, any thoughts on Sigma's death?

[drmyshottyizsik]

He was a null read to me so no.
Also I thought Hiraki was bussing, so yes I went along with it in hopes of killing one scum, and then outing the other, but after that flip I can't see him as scum.

[Coventry]

And you can't see the person who pulled the wagon on an innocent (and has now thrown together a phony history of being suspicious of Vifam)...

....for what possible reason?

Thank you for your answer.

[Oversoul]

Thank you very much for your answer, Oversoul. Would you happen to have any thoughts on why Sigma was the first person the bad guys went after?

I am sorry, but I don't understand the meaning of this post.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thank you very much for your answer, Oversoul. Would you happen to have any thoughts on why Sigma was the first person the bad guys went after?

This seems like fishing for info that only scum need to know...

[Coventry]

Also, Shotty...

...why are you voting Vifam, exactly? Why was that who you should have always been voting for? These are sort of important questions to me and I would be extremely grateful if you could answer them.

Because you original answer to this question:

Why are you voting Vifam along with Hiraki as soon as the sun rises on day two? And why was Vifam who you should have been voting for all along?

Because Neil nor Hiraki are scum.

Really makes no sense at all. There are a lot more than three people on this train.

Anyway, thank you for any answers you decide to share.

[Coventry]

Thank you very much for your answer, Oversoul. Would you happen to have any thoughts on why Sigma was the first person the bad guys went after?

This seems like fishing for info that only scum need to know...

Really? Wouldn't scum already know? It seems to me like scum hunting. You know, exploring the thoughts and opinions of the other people on the train.

Why do you think that only scum would need to know that? Thanks for any answer.

[Coventry]

Hi, Oversoul.

I was just a little surprised that there was no discussion of Sigma's death. No seeming examination of what he had done on day one that might have led the scum to kill him. I was trying to create some. You know, investigating.

[Oversoul]

As the train moves endlessly with a slow speed, everyone kept glaring at neil1113. They had all believed that neil was the culprit with his goon members of attempting to take over the CSL Express.

TheLonging punched neil's face endlessly, as some other passengers grabbed him and tried to get him to stop being violent about it.

However, neil backs up into the corner, then asks; "P-P-Please! ARRRESSST ME ALREADY!!!!"

The other guys were shocked, to realize that the train suddenly stops and everyone who was standing flew to the shut door on the sides.

The next thing you know is the police opening the door, then starts handcuffing Neil1113 to the ground, then they start carrying him away. He was arrested.

Neil1113 was a Citizen!

Meanwhile, few people started to chuckle while others grew so pissed at him.

The train starts moving again on Day 2. But Neil has to bring someone else down.[/i]

Not D2 yet.
Waiting for his PM to shoot someone

Didn't Neil take down Sigma?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thank you very much for your answer, Oversoul. Would you happen to have any thoughts on why Sigma was the first person the bad guys went after?

This seems like fishing for info that only scum need to know...

Really? Wouldn't scum already know? It seems to me like scum hunting. You know, exploring the thoughts and opinions of the other people on the train.

Why do you think that only scum would need to know that? Thanks for any answer.

No that is the one thing the scum don't know.

[Coventry]

Oversoul,

Neil was a passenger, not Mafia. It's a two shot goon, right? I'm not that dense, am I?

[Coventry]

Shotty,

The goon would know exactly why he shot Sigma, wouldn't he? I mean assuming it wasn't just random? Am I somehow mistaking the role of a goon here. I know it's been awhile, but...anyway, any explanations would be deeply appreciated.

[drmyshottyizsik]

A goon didn't shoot Sigma, the goons have a day kill, Neil brought down Sigma.

[Coventry]

So I am that dense. So then the scum have both of their bullets still and we're two mistakes away from losing? Is that correct?

[Hiraki]

So I am that dense. So then the scum have both of their bullets still and we're two mistakes away from losing? Is that correct?

Yes.

And if Vifam is town it somehow clears Don_Johnson for his action.

It does.

You haven't made any sort of case for Vifam being scum apart from this interchange. But you have made me reread your posts to this point. I mean voted for Vifam in your in-thread post #82. But in your in-thread post #107 you posted

Allow me to explain. While you may have looked at my posts in isolation, I am now doubtful if you looked at Oversoul's in isolation at the points in which this matter occurred. Not to mention, Vifam is already a better lynch due to information, but we'll get to that.

no its not. but whatever.

vifam: how do you know what i am interested in?

nice. lets see if we can waste an entire page discussing avatars.

This post implied you were wanted to start some serious discussion.


Now tell me, how does putting me at L-2 create any discussion other than the tunneling of me?

This proves the former.

And,

nice. lets see if we can waste an entire page discussing avatars.

What would you like to discuss?


Neil getting an avatar would actually increase the chances of a town win in this game.

Wasting time discussing anything not pertinent to the game at hand is advantagous to the scum. It decreases the amount of scumhunting significantly.

FoS: Vifam

The avatar crap between Neil and Jakesh seems like scumbuddy talk trying to pass time without actually going anywhere.

That was my basis for the Oversoul vote. As you can see, Oversoul is being extremely hypocritical here with only 5 posts, most of them being small snippets and promises of more content.

What did Oversoul do? He provided content.

He's not scum.

[don_johnson]

coventry should claim. he's obviously outed himself by virtue of the fact that he obviously doesn't have a townie pm or he would have understood the venge kill mechanic. his posts read town, but not understanding how the game works is going to hurt us. if you are power, claim with targets before scum shoot you.

[Hiraki]

You do realize that PRs don't exist in this game, right?

[drmyshottyizsik]

God damnit! You killed his fake claim a pr gambit!

[Tragedy]

And then nothing changed.

Votecount 1.5

TheLonging [0] -
yourfriendlynoggin [0] -
drmyshottyizsik [1] - Coventry
Oversoul [0] -
Hiraki [0] -
don_johnson [0] -
andrew94 [0] -

Vifam [2] - drmyshottyizsik, Hiraki

(L-3)
Coventry [0] -

Not Voting

: TheLonging, yourfriendlynoggin, Oversoul, don_johnson, andrew94

Required 5 to Lynch, 4 to No Lynch.
Deadline is at July 3rd, 3 PM.

yourfriendlynoggin/andrew94/don_johnson are V/LA

[don_johnson]

yeah, good point. i'm not really paying attention.

vote: coventry

because he's posting the shit out of this thread so theres no way he could be paying less attention than me and yet he still couldn't seem to grasp the venge kill mechanic even though its part of the only townie pm. *breathes*

uh huh.

[Hiraki]

God damnit! You killed his fake claim a pr gambit!

I know.

Gotta help me scumbuds.

But seriously, Coventry isn't scum.

So there's no point to that.

[Hiraki]

yeah, good point. i'm not really paying attention.

vote: coventry

because he's posting the shit out of this thread so theres no way he could be paying less attention than me and yet he still couldn't seem to grasp the venge kill mechanic even though its part of the only townie pm. *breathes*

uh huh.

Oh.

So it wasn't a gambit?

...

This is the worst vote I've seen in awhile.

It's also the lamest fake scumtell I've seen. I mean really? Misreading a role P.M. that is stated right on the OP?

Don_John.

Can you stop making me think you're scum? Or is that impossible because you are scum?

HMM?

HMMMMMM?

[drmyshottyizsik]

He has a point Hiraki...

[Hiraki]

He has a point Hiraki...

He has a small miniscule point that doesn't point toward scum.

I'm very well aware of that.

Are you thinking about joining him?