Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[Empking]

@Emp - are you cribbing MoS' answer there? Or did you have another?

Ran kill Dram. The clues must point to Ran killing Dram.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Thor took the dana route while Empking took the MoS->Magua->MoS->CDB->MoS->Dana route.
That is the reason why I investigated him that night. It looked like he wanted to protect dana any way possible.
*shrugs*

[Mastermind of Sin]

@Ant - I'll even go with - yes, RBers are much more valuable than neighborizers - so what?

@MoS - your attention helping out Emp from what you must know is conf. town Thor instead of trying to work on conf. scum Ant is noted as a sad experience of the day.

@Emp - are you cribbing MoS' answer there? Or did you have another?

I thought it was obvious that the killer duo was going to kill dram, so I was surprised that you didn't know they'd announced it. I just went back and dug that quote up to help you out.

Still working on the Ant ISO today, watching True Blood right now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Ant ISO:

(red denotes important interactions with or mentions of Ant's scumbuddies, dana and Empking)

Day 1 -

Votes Thor

Votes MBF for voting me as his biggest threat because town don't have to worry about threats.

Unvotes MBF because he's L-1

Votes MBF again a minute later because he wasn't L-1

Unvotes MBF an hour later

Calls Rag "unfortunately town"

Votes me for not having much to say

Votes Peregrine for having crap reasons against RC

Posts reads:

dana - leaning scum

CDB - leaning town
Peregrine - null
MoS - null
Thor - town
MBF - leaning town
Rag - gut says town
EP - leaning town
RC - null, leaning town
ooba - null
animorpherv1 - null (note: Magua)

MarchHare - town

(note: Empking)

Note: His reads call one of his buddies town, one of them scum. Fairly standard scum move.

Votes me for...policy lynch?

Also, somewhere in here Ant joined RC's voting alliance. Not seeing that as a plus for Ant, since being in the alliance means scum can avoid getting voted by the alliance. I'm going to have to give RC a stern talking to about that someday.

Ragnarokio and Ant launch into a back and forth where Rag makes some pretty good points against him.

Ant misreads my attack on Dana and attempts to defend his scumbuddy.

After I explain why Ant is wrong, he jumps on the Dana wagon.

Ant unvotes his scumbuddy to hammer EP, who he hadn't been reading as scummy.

Day 2 -

Initial Day 2 thoughts were that Peregrine was scummy derailing the dana wagon and that Ant needs to rethink his reads.

Wants to look into Magua, Ragnarokio, and MoS.

Says he didn't like Magua from the time he replaced in, partially because of the fake daykill and partially because of his constant attacking of everyone. Links Rag and Magua together as possible scumbuddies.

Now pings Ragnarokio as responsible for a dana counterwagon on EP, even though he was blaming Peregrine a few posts earlier.

Goes back to blaming Peregrine for the EP wagon swing that saved dana.

Ant defends himself against Peregrine's ridiculous case that Ant and I had some sort of "connection".

Thinks MoS/MBF/Magua might be responsible for the RC nightkill, votes Magua.

Asks Peregrine why he's voting dana, calls the vote opportunistic.

Says MoS/MBF look townish today. Is torn on Ragnarokio, and thinks Peregrine/Magua are the best lynches today.

Continues attacking Peregrine for killing the dana wagon

Defends himself against ooba's case.

Claims Chuck, points out his breadcrumb, says his night choice was obvious.

Explains his investigation was on ooba.

Note: Why not investigate dana, who you were content to vote almost to a lynch before swapping to hammer EP?

Unvotes Magua to vote dana while a counterwagon on me is building. No reasoning given for his vote.

Day 3 -

Announces innocent result on Empking

. Says Peregrine is the lynch for today.

Says it's fairly obvious who the killer is. (Note: did this ever get explained?)

Explains the Peregrine case, also dings him for voting without explanation Day 2 (Note: Hypocrit!)

Confirms my neighborizor ability, but not my alignment, asks me to claim my role and character in the QT. (Note: which I did)

Says I claimed a character that actually made sense for my ability.

Votes Peregrine, says the four people he'd be willing to lynch today are CDB, Pere, MBF, and Rag.

Explains why other people aren't on his lynch list:

Empking has the cop result

, MoS has been awesome in the QT and he likes his claim, Thor is a gut town read.

Questions how MBF is sure of Rag's alignment.

Calls for mass claim, trying to out the doctor.

After pushing for Peregrine as scum all day, agrees to lynch dramonic instead without reasoning.

Keeps pushing mass claim

Day 4 -

Pushes people to post their current reads before revealing his investigation result (which, by the way, was my suggestion in our QT last night)

Claims guilty result on MoS and votes him

Conclusion:

He was definitely inconsistent regarding his position on dana (without a lot of good reasoning for it), and he worked pretty hard to pin EP's lynch on anyone but himself. I especially don't get why he investigated ooba, when dana was apparently his top suspect Day 1, including being the only person he labeled as scum when he posted his full list of reads at one point.

Not a lot of interactions with Empking, but that's not really saying much since that slot has not really interacted strongly with anyone this game (probably helped along because his scumbuddy cleared him as town). I'm not sure I buy the Empking choice for investigation any more than I buy the ooba choice, since Magua and Peregrine seemed to be his top suspects going into that night.

In retrospect, I'm torn on whether I should have asked Ant not to tell me his investigation last night. On one hand, it prevented him from claiming a result on MBF after killing him and then indirectly framing me as scum, which would have been a lot more convenient since it wouldn't have been obvious Ant was scum. On the other hand, if he'd had to claim his investigation to me last night, he wouldn't be able to set me up today (or he'd have had a lot of explaining to do in the QT). Speaking of which, I'd like to hear Ant's reasoning for having investigated me last night and not anyone else.

[Ant_to_the_max]

lol

It looks like you just had a lot of fun with a red highlighter

Who else would I have investigated? It was you or Thor.
Guilty on MoS meant lynch you. Inno on MoS means lynch Thor.
Guilty on Thor meant lynch Thor. Inno on Thor means lynch MoS.

Only way we are not lynching you today is if you can convince me that Thor is a scum bus driver who switched himself with your slot

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yea no, coming up with strangely complicated ways for you not to be scum isn't going to distract me, Ant.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Prod needed on Rag i believe

[Thor665]

Explains his investigation was on ooba.

Note: Why not investigate dana, who you were content to vote almost to a lynch before swapping to hammer EP?

I'd like to see you cobble together an answer for this one Ant.

[Ragnarokio]

Sorry, I'm back.

I really like MoS's PbPa, and would like to see ant defend himself from more than the weakest points.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Because I was going to pick from ooba or MoS, my other two top picks. That is why I singled them out at the end of D1.

I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana.

Why did I not investigate Pere N2 and chose Empking instead? Because I felt like it would be a waste on obv scum Pere. I was so happy when I thought Empking would return as a threat and we would be able to wrap up this game nicely.

I'm not going to pick out points from the scum's post. You pick the ones out that need to be addressed and I will correct them for you.

[Thor665]

@Rag - who is most likely scum pairs right now?

[Ragnarokio]

@Thor:

Ant and Emp
MoS and Thor
MoS and Emp

In order of likeliness.

[Thor665]

I agree that MoS/Emp doesn't make a lot of sense with Ant still being alive. The worst I've got on them is how MoS leapt in to help Emp out when I was pressuring Emp, which is odd but I don't think it outweighs the wtf factor of Ant being alive if they're scum.

How are you getting over the ballsiness of Ant/Emp being the scumpair? One scum claiming cop with an innocent on the other is grapefruit sized ballsiness, and I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. Thoughts?

[Ragnarokio]

Ant claimed cop for fear of being lynched. He had to claim investigation results on someobody after that, and once he's doing that, It doesn't really matter who he chooses to be scum, as long as he doesn't pick his buddy and doesn't do it until LyLo.

I'm not seeing the ballsiness of it, seeing as the cop claim was at threat of lynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Ant claimed cop for fear of being lynched. He had to claim investigation results on someobody after that, and once he's doing that, It doesn't really matter who he chooses to be scum, as long as he doesn't pick his buddy and doesn't do it until LyLo.

I'm not seeing the ballsiness of it, seeing as the cop claim was at threat of lynch.

This.

[Empking]

Yes but he didn't claim an innocent on me when at threat of lynch.

[Ant_to_the_max]

So at this point we have the cop voting for his confirmed threat to the intersect.
The inno investigated also voting for scum.
Thor trying to figure things out while making cases why he is not scum and Empking is.
Rag wasting town time when she should be figuring out who is scum between Thor and Empking.
And finally MoS clawing at anything he can do to make me look bad.

Please tell me this isn't going to end badly...

[Thor665]

@Ant - only an idiot is debating Thor/Emp right now - the only real debate is Ant/Mos.

Thor and Emp are only in consideration because one of us appears to be the obligatory 2nd scum, but one of you is the first. I'm actually, statistically, least likely scum of Thor/Emp because everybody can see I'm 100% not scumbuddies with you. The real question is peeling back the Ant/MoS question - which Emp is not trying to do at all, and Rag is doing...well...about as functionally as I think she's ever done any scumhunting, so I really can't say she appears to be avoiding it.

Did you IIoA list accomplish anything for you there? You list a bunch of things, draw no conclusions, and toss in a touch of fearmongering at the end. What is our take away from that post?

[Thor665]

@Ant - why MoS and not me, by the by?

Also, what do you think happened Night 1 for kill targets?

@Rag - same question to you about Night 1 kill targets, though I'd like you to answer after Ant. (shouldn't be hard since he ought to log in and post at least twice before you do again

[Ant_to_the_max]

It was a toss up. Only you two would makes good targets. Like I said earlier, what I got from one of you would imidiatly tell me what to do today.

When Pere flipped town to my dissapointment, I thought more about why I was still alive and having a neighborizer with vig neighbors. Later in the night, I also figured that you were the one that was going to end up dead.

I am guessing our vig chose the same target as scum.

[Thor665]

Why would I end up dead with a cop, a cop claimed innocent, and the neighbor Vigs as alternate targets?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why would I end up dead with a cop, a cop claimed innocent, and the neighbor Vigs as alternate targets?

And a neighbor to the cop. Remember that at the time of his investigation choice, Ant was not supposed "know" yet if I was scum.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Vigs would be a pointless kill unless they want to get rid of a more valuable town player.
GF Empking would have no reason to fear me.
If there was any chance that you are actually the doc, then you would e the last real threat to the scum team

[Mastermind of Sin]

Mod: What is the deadline for today?

[Thor665]

GF Empking would have no reason to fear me.

Agreed.
Why wouldn't he want you dead though to at least make the day a 50/50 debate between town/scumbuddy Thor/MoS for the win?

As is he left you alive so you could bust his buddy so he could keep playing for another Day?

I'm very strongly thinking I'm going to vote Ant soon.

@Emp - why did you believe Ant right away with his MoS investigate?