Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[Thor665]

Dram: I have a town read on him, mostly because I find him to be pretty reasonable, and because vibes.

Thor: I still have a scumread on you. I read back on the day 2 dana wagon stuff. You placed the first vote on dana, and your last post before the dana lynch was when dana had two votes. I'd say it's very feasible that you and dana are scum-mates, especially considering your relationship before that.

MoS: No read, but more likely to be scum, through process of elimination.

@Ant - Yeah, tell me Thor/MoS expected Rag to do us a solid and shoot dram.
There is no reason for Thor/MoS to leave a cop alive who is likely to investigate one of MoS/Thor/dram since he was buying into the Vig story.
Gawds, Rag's shot choices are so off the wall this game they hurt my soul.

For Ant to be alive today, Thor/MoS would have to have a GF amongst them - considering my relationship with Rag yesterday there's no way in heck it makes sense for me to be the GF, therefore Thor/MoS needs MoS to be the GF to be a scum team.

I want thoughts on that case to prove MoS and I aren't partners - because if people can believe that, than my lack of hammer pretty much actually makes me CONFIRMED town, not just the obvious town I've been all game.

[Thor665]

I don't know!
:'(

What don't you know?
We've got a confirmed scum to lynch today, we can afford a bit of time to set up things for tomorrow.
Read the case, point at what you agree with or disagree with.
It makes uber sense.

[Thor665]

By the way - if Rag quickhammers, I want that to be thought of as a SK claim.

[Thor665]

My excuse will be I haven't protected anyone with my Doc power - so, yknow, we need the day to continue some more.

[Thor665]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3096725

This post and the one immediately after it wants to spit in MoS's face for voting Ant - as you work on an Ant=scum case that doesn't include me, feel free to work with this one too, MoS.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't understand what you mean with that link, Thor.

Gonna be gone most of the day, I'll post tomorrow.

[Thor665]

Look at the votes prior to that vote count.
Then look at the votes and the available wagons.
Then look at who Ant chooses to vote, and then tell me why he's scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3033216

Look at the votes on this page and the wagons I had to choose from. Then look at who I choose to vote on the next page (linked below). Then tell me why I'm scum.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3033721

[Thor665]

Okay, so Ant is scum and you're awesome - who's his partner, because we know it isn't me or I'd have won the game for scum by hammering you already.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Process of elimination leaves Empking, since I don't see Rag being mafia, because that would mean the mafia have two kills every other night.

[Empking]

Ant: 1623 is just bull. If the scum could only lose out from you investigation then they'd kill you. If godfather Thor thought you'd investigate him then they'd be inclined to let you live.

[Thor665]

@Emp - please explain why GF Thor should have expected to live since the Vig clearly hated my guts. Yes, if I thought I would live leaving the cop alive to investigate me would be a normal GF type plan. But I had been specifically antagonizing both Vigs all day yesterday - you're calling that normal GF play?

Also - kudos on spotting the descending trap.

[Thor665]

Process of elimination leaves Empking, since I don't see Rag being mafia, because that would mean the mafia have two kills every other night.

Okay, so from your perspective;

Thor = obv. town
Rag = not scum team, so SK at worst, town at best.
Ant = obv. scum who claimed a false investigate on his buddy.
Emp = obv. scum buddy to false cop

Let me know if I get any of this wrong.

[Empking]

@Emp - please explain why GF Thor should have expected to live since the Vig clearly hated my guts. Yes, if I thought I would live leaving the cop alive to investigate me would be a normal GF type plan. But I had been specifically antagonizing both Vigs all day yesterday - you're calling that normal GF play?

Also - kudos on spotting the descending trap.

Personally, I never thought you'd be vig'd. So I don't see why you'd necesarily expect to be vig'd.

[Thor665]

Really? Who did you expect Rag to Vig?

[Empking]

Really? Who did you expect Rag to Vig?

I expected Rag to kill MBF. I was working off Rag being scum at the time.

[Thor665]

...okay, so knowing Rag isn't scum, which theoretically scumThor would - who would you expect her to kill. Because, yeah, if you're calling the scumteam GFThor+VigRag then I reckon I wouldn't expect to die - is that what you're doing?

[Empking]

...okay, so knowing Rag isn't scum, which theoretically scumThor would - who would you expect her to kill.

Dram obviously.

[Thor665]

She called him a town read and was against his lynch - why should we have seen that one coming?

[Mastermind of Sin]

At this point, it's inevitable.

unvote, vote Peregrene

for the hammer. I was wrong about dana and Magua

Ant, don't investigate dram if Pere is town.

If Pere is scum, I dunno what we'll do. Maybe just not kill.

Bolded for emphasis.

[Thor665]

Good find, MoS...though since you know for a fact I'm not scum...whassup?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Nothing, just wanted to point that out for you as clarification. I'm working on an Ant ISO, but I got distracted today so it'll probably be tomorrow.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Just had this random thought while at work today...

If dana was the RB, and MoS was the neighborizer, wouldn't that make dana > MoS and scum would be more willing to save dana and cut the loss of the neighborizer?

[Empking]

Just had this random thought while at work today...

If dana was the RB, and MoS was the neighborizer, wouldn't that make dana > MoS and scum would be more willing to save dana and cut the loss of the neighborizer?

But...

What are you trying to say here?

[Thor665]

@Ant - I'll even go with - yes, RBers are much more valuable than neighborizers - so what?

@MoS - your attention helping out Emp from what you must know is conf. town Thor instead of trying to work on conf. scum Ant is noted as a sad experience of the day.

@Emp - are you cribbing MoS' answer there? Or did you have another?