The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Very well. Fate, you're now locked in a 1v1 with me. Once I flip town, you're dead.

If you are town, there will be words in post-game.

P-Edit: Yes Amrun!scum, you of all people WOULD like to avoid clarification.

[Amrun]

Clarification is ANTI-TOWN. It is THAT SIMPLE.

[Amrun]

Gambit? Me? Nope.

This is actually making me uncomfortable.

DON'T LIE TO ME FATE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Clarification is ANTI-TOWN. It is THAT SIMPLE.

Yes, it is anti-town to try and understand things better, so you don't get mislynches.

[Amrun]

Yeah, sorry. You are wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"YOU ARE WRONG. I WON'T EXLAIN WHY, BUT YOU ARE!"

Yah no. Why don't you give me a few good reasons why it's bad? Let's have this debate.

I mean, otherwise I'm forced to assume it's because you are scum and want to push this lynch and then Fate's.

[Amrun]

......

You don't know why clarifying claims is anti-town? :/

Take, for example, petroleumjelly in Shanba's Mini Theme Frogs 2 (link in my wiki). I was scum. PJ was one-shot dayvig. He didn't say how many shots he had; we didn't know whether to kill him because we needed to kill a dayvig, or PR hunt elsewhere.

Scum already have more information than town; giving them more is absolutely no help.

If I were Kdub, for example, I wouldn't have said that I die when my target is killed. I just would have completely omited that part.

[Amrun]

The above is assuming Kdub is town telling the truth, of course. But you get my point (I hope).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Voting for claimed tracker/watcher............ =/

Kdub is still my vote for today.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

1.13

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Kdub [3] – kunkstar7, Kast, Albert B. Rampage
Lady Lambdadelta [3] – Fate, Amrun, ooba

Amrun [1]

– Lady Lambdadelta

havingfitz [1]

– Kdub

Iecerint [1]

– havingfitz

kunkstar7 [1]

– bv310

Not Voting

– Iecerint, Robocopter87

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With 12 players alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 1 at 12pm PST (3pm EST).

[Amrun]

ABR, what do you think of Fate's claim of role-related info on LLD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes, that is correct.

Fate's clarification is NOT on the same level as this. Fate's explanation of his "role related reason" doesn't give scum the "massive information advantage" you speak of.

[Amrun]

How do you know that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because Fate's claim is bullshit. I'm town, so there's nothing scum would learn from it.

[Kdub]

Also, I've given this some thought,

I propose a mass-claim at this juncture.

Are you still in favor of this in light of Fate's claim about LL?

Fate's lying to push his lynch through. If he had role related reasons, why didn't he claim them earlier when I first claimed?

That was my initial thought, but if Fate was scum, what motive does he have for doing so now?

It's no risk for her, because when I flip town, she pins it on Fate.

So is it your opinion that Fate is town? And he is doing this for what reason? If he's lying to push your lynch through, I would think that "pinning it on Fate" would be a good thing, right?

I did have a bit of a town read on LL, but with Fate claiming role info out of the blue and no other objective evidence suggesting that he's lying, I'd support an LL lynch today. Looking back at my main suspects (fitz and Kast), I definitely could see an LL-Kast connection with Kast trying to distance but keeping his vote elsewhere. fitz is a bit tougher because he voted her at a point when he had an opportunity to push a kunk wagon, but he did unvote pretty quickly after her claim.

Not going to vote yet until others weigh in on the situation.

UNVOTE:

If I were Kdub, for example, I wouldn't have said that I die when my target is killed. I just would have completely omited that part.

I considered it, but there are too many potential issues down the road. If there came a point where I needed to use my ability but there was a chance my target would die, I'd have to either explain why I didn't use my ability (like that would go over well) or risk having us deal with an unforseen extra death. I don't think claiming that gives the scum too much information since I'm not planning to announce my targets beforehand.

Kdub is still my vote for today.

Reason? Considering that you had earlier stated that everything that happened earlier was throwaway data, how are you justified in keeping your vote on me when we have a 1v1?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub, you're playing devil's advocate.

"no evidence to suggest that Fate is lying"

No evidence showing he's telling the truth either. And I know he's lying.

It's just my opinion that Fate is likely stupid town, but

I have been wrong about Fate before

That's why when I flip town, he needs to die. Immediately.

[Robocopter87]

@Amrun: What are you talking about? I was talking about SpyreX, who was Wendy. Not Ariel.

Also, LLD wagon == good. I thought it wasn't going to happen but I am on it.

VOTE: LLD

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, what do you think of Fate's claim of role-related info on LLD?

No.

Fate is the little boy who cried wolf far too many times. He's fakeclaiming out of his ass.

There's no fucking 1v1 get motherfucking kdub lynched now.

[Fate]

What about Kdub's claim makes you AUTOLYNCH mode?

[Fate]

ABR its clearly either LLD, Kdub, or massclaim.


No more other wagons or bullshit today.

I WANT LLD DEAD

Its that simple.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lolcaps

[Kdub]

LL:
I am trying to look at this in terms of scum motivation. Suppose Fate is lying scum. Why would he suddenly pull this gambit now instead of earlier? The timing, and to an extent the action itself, makes no sense (scum generally don't want to trade lynches). Aside from that, Fate doesn't strike me as the type of player who would sacrifice himself as scum. He'd try to get one of his buddies to do it because he has a stronger influence over the day game than most people.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we lynch kdub yet

[ooba]

Also, I've given this some thought,

I propose a mass-claim at this juncture.

Are you still in favor of this in light of Fate's claim about LL?

Nope - not with the 1-1 ..

@ABR - Kdub not happening today..

[Amrun]

Fate are you lying y/n

You are supposed to be my lover; don't lie to me or I will break up with you.